P51 ?

[socal500]

Are there included missions that fall during the service period of the P51 or is it just thrown in the mix of more advanced aircraft and ground vehicles ? Missions along side the BS and A10.. I hope not. For $40 I would expect a full game and not just an addon aircraft.

[Mojeaux]

Dude you "R" RIGHT....$40.00 and it is what it is....Same thing for the Combined arms...I would have thought a few mission from experianced mission builders would have been included with the module for those that are not up to speed with that process!

[CAT_101st]

I hate to tell you but that is just how it is with DCS. They just build as close to real as they can and it is up to you to deside what to do with it. As for CA it is still in beta so if you have problems with it post in the CA forum thread.

On a side note I wish they did had equipment of the same era as the P-51D. Mabe in the future it will happen for us.

[Slap_Chop]

Honestly I wasn't going to get the P51 but a friend enjoys dogfighting. I'm really glad I purchased it.

 

Just the pure flying aspect of this plane I really enjoy. Take offs landings etc. Engine management that kind of thing.

 

A few of us get together for online dogfights about once a week. It's a different experience than the A10 or Shark but I do enjoy it alot more than I thought I would.

 

There are some quick missions programmed into the game. The Dog fight is a tuff one. Also a ground target strafing mission with rockets and guns . I enjoy those. I made a mission where me and a wingman drop down on 4 AI bad guys. Reminds of me of some of the dogfight videos I've watched on UTube.

Edited November 1, 2012 by Slap_Chop

[socal500]

I can appreciate the accuracy but some of the wording in their descriptions would have you expect certain things. Like mission generator that allows missions as long or short as you like, and cooperative multiplayer. Those may be facts but they leave out that those missions are not in the era of the P51. Im assuming that is the case anyway. If Im wrong and it actually does create era accurate situations please tell me and I will purchase it.

 

Regardless.. $40 for an add on aircraft ? I could accept that if the aircraft falls somewhere in the era of the rest of the simulator.

[EtherealN]

Regardless.. $40 for an add on aircraft ?

 

You clearly don't have a picture of how much it costs to develop these things. ;)

 

And yes, 40 dollars is actually quite cheap (5 beers), and on-par with similar offerings for other simulator platforms.

[159th_Viper]

Are there included missions that fall during the service period of the P51 or is it just thrown in the mix of more advanced aircraft and ground vehicles ? Missions along side the BS and A10.. I hope not. For $40 I would expect a full game and not just an addon aircraft.

 

Did you read the F.A.Q. sticky thread?

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=84678

[TAIPAN_]

Are there included missions that fall during the service period of the P51 or is it just thrown in the mix of more advanced aircraft and ground vehicles ? Missions along side the BS and A10.. I hope not. For $40 I would expect a full game and not just an addon aircraft.

 

Why not play multiplayer?

 

On a side note about "full game", it's more of a study sim than a game. "play" for the joy of learning the aircraft

[Echo38]

I found that the P-51D module is, with no possible doubt whatever, worth every penny and more. However, different people enjoy different things. Whatever pulls your prop ...

[Skall]

I bought both A-10C and P-51D just a little while back and am still in the early phases of learning both planes. They are both very enjoyable to fly and, while the quick mission generator is almost worthless with the P-51D, I have absolutely no regrets in purchasing it.

 

They are both very different beasts and will challenge you in different ways.

[LostOblivion]

It is down the same alley as FSX modules with legacy aircraft, with the addition of modeled weapon deployment. If ED was to make a wrap around the Mustang with a WW2 era environment, opponents, and ground targets, all with the same fidelity and attention to detail as we are used to, then it would take forever.

 

If you cannot enjoy the P-51D in DCS for what it is, which is a realistic flying experience of the plane itself, then you really have nothing here to do, and you should go play BF3 or something. (I do when I feel like it.)

 

Lost

[socal500]

To each his own I guess. All I know is out of our group, which consists of pilots from EAB , a Space Shuttle Commander and current test pilot for several ongoing projects, not one was interested once I mentioned it was just the aircraft. I guess since most of them fly regularly we were looking for something else than to just fly around. Still knowing what the module is now and that its sole purpose is the P51 I can see how it would appeal to some but I also would expect attention to every detail including effects. The fire model is simply a joke and there are performance issues.

[Echo38]

not one was interested once I mentioned it was just the aircraft. I guess since most of them fly regularly we were looking for something else than to just fly around.

 

Seems a bit narrow minded to me. You can still dogfight other people in P-51s. I grant that this isn't as dynamic as fighting different aircraft, but your suggestion that there's nothing to do but fly around and sight-see is a little bit daft. I'll agree about the fire & other effects, though; they could use some more work.

[ishtmail]

If you ever owned a MS Flight Simulator, you'd know that addon planes cost money. Some addon planes cost 20, 30 dollars. And those addon planes are just that: addon planes. They have no in-game story, no special scenery, no historical setting, nothing. It's just a blank plane to fly within the Flight Simulator world.

 

And for 20, 30 dollars, those planes aren't half as well simulated as DCS P51D, they don't have half the features, you can't use every system on the simulated plane EXACTLY as it would be used on a real one...

 

So, for 40 bucks that you pay for DCS P51D, you're getting ten times the airplane, compared to almost any addon plane for MS FS or (for instance) X-plane.

 

 

Ofcourse, a correct era scenery and correct geographical placing, along with a nice campaign, would be nice.

But for the money you're paying, you're getting a really good deal.

[socal500]

@Echo38.. I don't think anyone in the group I mentioned got to where they are by being narrow minded :thumbup:

 

 

I have noticed something else while flying P51 dogfight mission. Whenever I shoot down the other P51 I can never locate the crash site although I know where he went in. No smoke.. no debris.

[Rotorhead]

Well, when ED first announced P-51, I was like: "What? WW2 prop in modern era simulation? No way!"

Later on, I changed my mind to something like "Okay, I would buy it, but only with WW2 map and AI units."

After watching some videos and reading lots of forum discussions from people who already owned it, i went to "Well, maybe I will buy when it comes out of beta."

...and then I preordered the beta version and did not regret that decision for a single minute.

 

Even out of time / place, P-51 is still worth the money. In fact, it's worth much more. When it comes to simulation aspects like flight dynamics, on-board instrumentation or systems modelling, ED products are the best that money can buy. I believe there's not much other ways to get closer to the real thing except getting yourself a real pilot's license.

 

It's not all about blasting stuff. It's about actually flying the aircraft and that's what DCS gives you. As somebody mentioned before, you can buy mainstream FPS game that you'll finish in ten hours for much more than 40 bucks. Or you can have fully realistic sim, that lets you feel like a real pilot, and keeps you busy for years.

 

In my opinion, $40 is nothing compared to the value that every single DCS module brings to you.

[Weta43]

..our group, which consists of pilots from EAB , a Space Shuttle Commander and current test pilot for several ongoing projects ... (aren't interested) ... I guess since most of them fly regularly we were looking for something else than to just fly around.

 

So as a group of experienced pilots are you all about to make your first forays into flight sims, or is there something you all fly together already ?

 

If the P-51 doesn't appeal because you feel it lacks context, and online dogfighting against each other / others in simillar aircraft doesn't appeal, have you considered the A-10C or Ka-50 ? I'd have thought if none of you need just more "flying", then the systems and combat employment in either of those titles would keep you all busy...

[Echo38]

@Echo38.. I don't think anyone in the group I mentioned got to where they are by being narrow minded

 

I was talking about your post. "There's nothing to do in DCS: P-51 except fly around" is a narrow-minded way of looking at the sim, and it's also an inaccurate implication, too.

 

(That said, people can get to some pretty high stations in life despite being narrow-minded, and often by being narrow-minded. But that's another topic altogether, and has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make in my previous post.)