Silver_Dragon Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I see DCS:W webpage now change the icon right bar with ED products, and on the new World icon show COMBAT AIR / SEA / LAND. Can expected on the future (Roadmap 2013 / 2014 or beyond) a Combined Arms centre on Sea or something to fill the last "leg" of the World combat battleground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyTurtle Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 If that would include a sub, it would be kinda cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) If that would include a sub, it would be kinda cool!Would be just effin' great, provided that it's modelled to the DCS flyables standard. Meaning there'd be lots of work for the AI too manning all those stations... ;) But yah, would love to see a properly modelled DCS sub myself, whatever era! PS / EDIT: all subsimmers, former or current, know the GWX team. Now, having a DCS-quality platform for them to play with could even result in them getting back together again I think :D PPS. Yah, DCS:GWX - now THAT'd raaaawk :D Edited November 23, 2012 by msalama The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I'd doubt the whole Team would start working again. But a few may just be interested depending on how open the modding is. I'll have to check this all out as I have been looking for a more open platform to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedaway Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 DCS:688 L-A :megalol: lol because nothing is more secret than a nation's sub... BUUUUUT, that could be awesome to have naval Ops also. DCS Wish: Turbulences affecting surrounding aircraft... [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3P - Intel Core i5 6600K - 16Gb RAM DDR4-2133 - Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 G1 Gaming - 8 Go - 2 x SSD Crucial MX300 - 750 Go RAID0 - Screens: HP OMEN 32'' 2560x1440 + Oculus Rift CV1 - Win 10 - 64bits - TM WARTHOG #889 - Saitek Pro Rudder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianPilot Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 BUUUUUT, that could be awesome to have naval Ops also. Hope so...... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.spare-time-pilots.de Twitch BavarianPilot Youtube BavarianPilot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) Cheers Privateer and all the best to you & yours. Nice to see you as a member on this board man! Edited November 23, 2012 by msalama The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schroedi Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 ...sure that's why nevada comes because of sea units... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 ...sure that's why nevada comes because of sea units... If you refer to where I live? I'm near the Great Lakes. Not Nevada the state. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Cheers Privateer and all the best to you & yours. Nice to see you as a member on this board man! Your post at SubSim interested me Mate. I'm checking all this out to see if it's something I'd like to spend some time on. I do have a killer 9C model and several other Ships and such that I never finished for SH Games. Mostly because of limitations of the Game Engine itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouse Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Something resembling Dangerous Waters (remember that game?) or Naval War: Arctic Circle would probably be pretty amazing for DCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripcord Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 ...sure that's why nevada comes because of sea units... Brings up a good point here -- we would need something more in terms of terrain/theater to play in. The Black Sea Region is just a big lake for Russian/Ukrainain training and trials/testing ops. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 The Black Sea Region is just a big lake for Russian/Ukrainain training and trials/testing ops. So what if it was fall 1942 again and the 30th Flotilla of the German Kriegsmarine operating type IIB U-boats had just deployed to the area? :music_whistling: The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 Not only. Russian Georgian War was naval battles on 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRG-Vampire Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 DCS:688 L-A :megalol: lol because nothing is more secret than a nation's sub... BUUUUUT, that could be awesome to have naval Ops also. Hehe, secret as F-22 and F-35 :D but i am expecting an U.S. carrier than a submarine :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripcord Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 So what if it was fall 1942 again and the 30th Flotilla of the German Kriegsmarine operating type IIB U-boats had just deployed to the area? :music_whistling: OK, right -- you got me. I keep forgetting now we have the P-51 Mustang to fly around, and we have the ability to create a WWII scenario. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripcord Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) Not only. Russian Georgian War was naval battles on 2008 You gotta be kidding me. That wasn't a war, it was a 2 week training exercise for the Russians. Naval battles? A bit one-sided, don't you think? Technically yes, they fired a few shots in anger, but the whole naval battle was over in half a day. We could model this in the sim right now as a campaign consisting of one mission. OK they ran a blockade action around Poti, and in the process they sunk an old Stenka-class patrol boat, armed with two 30-mm cannons -- basically a coast guard ship. Sunk it with an ASUW SS-N-9 Malakhit strike from a missile corvette. They took out another while it was still tied to the pier in Poti. That is about the extent of their naval battles. Probably not a naval battle, per se, but no less interesting is that they did conduct a naval infantry landing at Ochamchira. Again that was probably more of a training evolution than anything, but they did have an Alligator class landing ship and two Ropuchas with the Moskva providing escort. So they at least pulled out all the big guns for this op. The 'Morpekha' just went ashore and picked up their equipment & supplies at the local railway station. Edited November 24, 2012 by Ripcord [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_the_coast_of_Abkhazia According to Black Sea Fleet officials, Georgian Navy ships consisting of two missile boats and two auxiliary craft breached the "security zone" declared around the Russian Navy ships off Abkhazia. The Russian Ministry of Defence claimed that, after two Russian attempts at hailing the intruding units, the Russian units opened fire with naval anti-ship missiles, sinking one of the attacking ships and forcing the remaining three Georgian warships to withdraw towards the port of Poti. While the Georgian sources remain silent about the engagement, Abkhazian officials confirmed that some battle took place off their coast.[5][9] It was to transpire one day later than claimed by other sources[nb 1] and was confirmed by official Russian sources as having taken place on 10 August 2008,[2][3] and that a Georgian warship was struck and sunk in 300 m of water by two P-120 Malakhit (SS-N-9 'Siren') missiles, fired by the guided missile corvette MRK Mirazh. Furthermore, the Russians were on record as believing that a second ship was also damaged. More problematically, Russian press reported, as did the Russian witness sailor, that the vessel sunk in action was the missile boat Tbilisi, but this proved to be false. It is now believed that the vessel destroyed was the fast P-21 patrol ship Giorgi Toreli, a Coast Guard Border Patrol vessel, armed with two 30mm automatic cannons. According to a second-hand blogger, Russian sources claim that P-21 "disappeared from the surface" within 90 seconds in 300 m of water.[1] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toni Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The entire Mediterranean should be modeled,thus plus CBGs from the USNavy,Russian Navy.....and further why not French and Royal Navy. Complex surface+submarine units including full 3D bridge and additional walkable stations like CIC,hangar bays,outer decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toni Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 AND...............why not to develop a weather engine download capable,able to inject real time weather/sea state via NOAA readings? Add submarine streams+different salinities depending on the sea mass,thermal layers and moooooore. Heheheh regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) Thank u Silver for this thread. I love the navy and I think ED could do something with the same CA level. I did some test with the ships and they seem extremely downgraded. If ED have in plans make a SEA module they could not forget: Minesweeper ships, Auxiliary vessels and very important , this last one must have features for amphibious operations ( at least arrive to the beach and open the bow doors the rest we do with triggers ) Edited November 25, 2012 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOnTheOP Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_the_coast_of_Abkhazia That still doesn't counter what Ripcord was saying; it hardly counts as a naval war; it was a single, one-sided encounter with what amounts to a coast guard cutter. If you want to consider that a naval war, then the US Navy engaged in seaborne armageddon in 1988: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis Funny, though, for a major naval engagement, most people (even in the US) aren't even aware it happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 That still doesn't counter what Ripcord was saying; it hardly counts as a naval war; it was a single, one-sided encounter with what amounts to a coast guard cutter. If you want to consider that a naval war, then the US Navy engaged in seaborne armageddon in 1988: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis Funny, though, for a major naval engagement, most people (even in the US) aren't even aware it happened! Thats not true. The Georgian ships were inferior and they should backward, one ship was destroyed and other extremely damage. Yes was a war but Georgia was so inferior. You should not mention US here, normally they exterminate abusively... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOnTheOP Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I think you missed my point: my point was that operation Praying Mantis was at best a small skirmish, but the Georgian naval engagements were smaller still. That's not to say the Georgians were incompetent, or that they didn't fight well (everything I've read indicates they made a good show, considering how outmatched they were); just that they (wisely) opted not to sortie out to face down the Russian fleet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripcord Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I think you missed my point: my point was that operation Praying Mantis was at best a small skirmish, but the Georgian naval engagements were smaller still. That's not to say the Georgians were incompetent, or that they didn't fight well (everything I've read indicates they made a good show, considering how outmatched they were); just that they (wisely) opted not to sortie out to face down the Russian fleet! What were the Georgian coast guard crews supposed to fight with? Who would lead a group of young men to sea in a 40 year old gunboat with 30mm guns and sail into harms way against a way more modern Russian platforms with modern ASUW missiles? This was nothing more than an unscheduled live fire exercise for the Black Sea Fleet units, sans the area closure warnings. Personally I don't think the Georgians intended to do this, I think they were just out there in the wrong place at the wrong time - maybe they were trying to reach port at Poti or otherwise accomplish something, we'll never know. But hey, the point the of the thread, I believe, was not this -- it was how we would really like to see naval ops modelled in this sim. My point was in support of that, but I made the observation that new theaters/regions need to be added in order to really make this compelling. Name the areas you think would be cool (I would make a case for several and derail this thread even further), but the Black Sea is just slightly more compelling than Nevada IMHO. Sorry, NATO units are just not going to enter the Black Sea region in a real scenario involving hostilities with the Russians. Maybe a couple of port visits to trade hats and drink vodka, but once you pass thru the Bosporus, skipper, you are WITHIN FIRING RANGE. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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