OK, Just for the record, learning to fly...

[Yurgon]

Overall one thing I do whenever I learn a plane in whatever flight sim I fly is I don't just practice landing, I punish my landings. I mean I fly ridiculous loops, I'll come in at 350 KIAS 10 feet over the runway, [...]

 

That's pretty good advice in my opinion. I used to do that in Falcon 4.0 SP3 and SP4, where I think landing is more difficult than in the A-10. After a while, I could put the Viper down on the taxiway (and even on some roads IIRC) without breaking anything. When it came to landing a battle damaged bird after a 2+ hour mission, that gave a lot of confidence.

 

Same with the A-10. I like to throw in crosswind landings and landings in bad visibility. No better way to get intimate with ILS and ADI than to fly blind in the clouds on final approach (and HUD off just to juice things up some more). :)

 

My "regular" landings are somewhat decent by now, I think I could get away with most of them if I had an IP watch over my shoulder. But training the ridiculous landings is what really pays off when flying with a horizontal stabilizer missing or an engine out. Oh. Did I mention full flame-out landings? :lol:

[MatzWarhog]

Just to make sure (because it isn´t clear to me), you do know the difference between "Speed Brakes" and "Aerobraking", right?

 

Yes... I do, but I'm not sure others do. "Aerobraking" is a commonly misused term for Aerodynamic Braking, which results when "Speed Brakes" or "Air Brakes" are deployed. Aerobraking is the use of atmospheric drag in space as opposed to opposite force coming from thrust boosters. If anyone needs further information/clarification on the topic, I'll ask my brother-in-law for more, as he's been a design engineer for Lockheed for over 25 years.

 

Matz

[MatzWarhog]

BTW, my landings are becoming much better now from following sound advice here and continuing to "RTFM".

[Cookie]

"Aerobraking" is a commonly misused term for Aerodynamic Braking, which results when "Speed Brakes" or "Air Brakes" are deployed.

Well... no. ;)

 

Aerobraking refers to maintaining a very high AOA while rolling out (in other words: keeping up your nosewheel for as long as you can) so your entire fuselage acts as one giant airbrake by trapping the air underneath it. Aerobraking works very good for aircraft with strakes (F-18, F-16), wide fuselages (F-14, F-15) or delta shaped wings (Typhoon, Mirage 2000). However, aircraft with straight wings, a short chord and narrow fuselage - such as the A-10 - are very ineffective aerobrakers.

 

Speed brakes or air brakes are those barndoors at the end of the wing of the A-10 which you pop open upon landing so they can stem themselves into the slipstream and create drag. Nothing special about them, most aircraft have them in some form or shape.

[MatzWarhog]

Well... no. ;)

 

Aerobraking refers to maintaining a very high AOA while rolling out (in other words: keeping up your nosewheel for as long as you can) so your entire fuselage acts as one giant airbrake by trapping the air underneath it. Aerobraking works very good for aircraft with strakes (F-18, F-16), wide fuselages (F-14, F-15) or delta shaped wings (Typhoon, Mirage 2000). However, aircraft with straight wings, a short chord and narrow fuselage - such as the A-10 - are very ineffective aerobrakers.

 

Speed brakes or air brakes are those barndoors at the end of the wing of the A-10 which you pop open upon landing so they can stem themselves into the slipstream and create drag. Nothing special about them, most aircraft have them in some form or shape.

 

Then just post me the definition of "Aerobraking" and the source you get it from, and I'll concede and shut up.

[Justin Case]

Aerobraking is the use of atmospheric drag in space

 

so your entire fuselage acts as one giant airbrake by trapping the air underneath it

 

...I don't see the difference. Just two ways to use the same principle.

Edited November 29, 2012 by Justin Case

[Watari]

Hmm..

 

 

 

Landing at 06:10

 

Most videos show a flat touch down on you tube.

I think everyone is right :)

[MatzWarhog]

...I don't see the difference. Just two ways to use the same principle.

 

It does not use of the same principle, as one involves gravity and the other does not. The two terms are not the same nor are they synonymous or interchangeable.

 

When someone dresses me down for my comment about how my OP had basically been hijacked, I replied by simply pointing out why I saw it that way. In response to my explanation that the thread had taken on a strong odor of negativity, I received a harsh rebuttal by someone whose signature reads as follows:

 

"Welcome to DCS

You suck, and you are going to be constantly reminded of this fact for about 6-9 months (if you learn). If you RTFM and use your brain and be actively aware of how bad you suck, you can easily shave 3-6 months off of your complete newbie status. You could even play easy mode and make some kids think that you’re really good, but only if they are bad."

 

...the least I should be able to expect from such seasoned veterans and others giving me pointers, is that they use the correct terminology (or at least have the courtesy to say, "Sorry, I was wrong about that" rather than "you've just never learned how to say thank you") and to not contradict the manual, so as NOT to confuse me or the other "Newbies" that are reading the thread, even further.

 

I am a happy go lucky guy, and very easy to get along with. I also like to see humor and levity in the threads and responses as well. However, I'm also an educated, middle-aged adult, that learned to use netiquette, well before forums were born, and USENET was how people communicated via "Dial-up". You'll notice that I didn't receive a definition to bury the issue, because there isn't one that exists, that states what has been claimed the term means. Why do I even care? Because while I may be a newbie and stupid in regards to flying the DCS A-10C, I don't like to be pushed to the ground and kicked, simply because I'm the new kid on the block.

 

Trust me, with DCS rapidly rising in popularity and quality, unmatched by any other Sim on the market today, there are a LARGE number of lurkers (29 at present) reading these posts for answers to the same questions. If they continue to see harsh, 'pecking order' style, negatively handed out responses to simple issues, they won't become members, won't join servers, and will likely take their $$'s elsewhere in the future, as this is a Sim with a level of difficulty, that 99% of new owners will need a hand learning to use correctly. If being new dictates that my posts, comments and replies, don't deserve the same amount of common respect and courtesy as anyone else here, Then I too would return to lurking, and not ask questions that MANY "Newbies who all suck" are looking for answers to.

 

Eagle Dynamics is a "diamond in the rough" when it comes to software developers/producers. They are constantly adding aircraft and updating existing issues in a more than timely manor... many other's simply put out a Sim or Game, sell it, and abandon it as soon as they reach their desired profit margin. DCS has chosen to take the better path, and in return, they will reap huge benefits by going so, Kudos to DCS! Thank you to all those delivering positive advice, pointers to other resources, being welcoming, and generally polite. Your input is greatly appreciated, helpful and incredibly useful. I hope you continue to help the rest of us along on our mission to become good pilots.

 

I consider my part in this thread now finished, continue it as you like. I will likely have many more new questions the further I progress, and will post new threads accordingly. Thanks for the help guys!!!

 

Matz ; }-~

[Eight Ball]

If you have a problem with me use private message to resolve it, no need to drag through the mud like that. For someone who has been using the internet for so long you should know better.

Before saying someone is having a bad attitude and isn't helping new comers the least you could do is check that guy posts (click on his name => find more posts by xxx)

 

Regarding my signature you delibirately choose to ignore the tiny green face smiling at the end of it, which means it wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

But seeing how you easily feel persecuted I'll change it.

 

As for the aerobraking part, what did you expect from us ? If someone came on your thread and told you the best way to land a plane was to fly inverted with one engine shut down and dropping bombs at the same time we should just sit there and shut up ? Just because you don't allow anyone else to debate something you haven't start ?

 

The problem here is YOUR attitude towards people who are trying to help you. Mower gave you a questionable advice and all I did was picking up the fact that it might not be effective.

Mower is a big guy and he can take care of himself, if he had a problem with my post I have no doubt he would have told me.

Edited November 30, 2012 by Eight Ball

[Steel Jaw]

Hmm, where did we get off track...?

[Hamblue]

Hmmm, Guess I won't mention Hydrobraking then :music_whistling:

[Justin Case]

You reduce forward momentum by increasing the drag. Anyhow.

 

I have helped quite a few guys in our Swedish community as much as I can with flying, game setup etc, don't tell I don't respect "newbies". They (and you) are what will keep this game and community growing.

 

In threads like this, I usually just post one of my videos.

It's in Swedish and I aerobrake in this one.

[Justin Case]

Hmmm, Guess I won't mention Hydrobraking then :music_whistling:

 

:thumbup: Good one!

[Steel Jaw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbRKfieMsdQ