AMD or Intel what to choose?

[trooph]

I know this is a topic can become a real war between AMD and INTEL fans but i have to ask this question.

 

What would U choose. AMD chipset with FX8350 8 Core sabertooth MB and maybe SSD... or i5 3650k with just a MB to fit it in..?

 

Just an addition.

fx8350 is around 800 pln (250$) and a mb to fit it in is around 500-600 (150-200$)

And i5 is around 900 (300$) + a mb for it would be another 700 (220$)

 

Im looking for a best upgrade to fit in my budget which is around 1500 pln (500$) at the most...

Edited November 29, 2012 by trooph

[pbishop]

If you go to tom's hardware, they did a review for gaming cpu's for november 2012 that is a good guide in purchasing. It also explains everything in pretty good detail as to the differences between most of them. I dont know if its ok to post the link, but I'm sure someone will notify me if its not ok.

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html

 

The site is a bit weird, but there is a next button to go to the next page.

[agrasyuk]

Even though at slight price premium now days Intel is where the performance is at . Dcs does not utilize all 8 cores so I would not stress about the number. I doubt the difference in your both options will buy you a good SSD. Hence I would go the Intel route (in fact just did a week ago). If money is tight go for what you can afford.

My 2 cents.

Good luck on your build

[Rhinox]

I know this is a topic can become a real war between AMD and INTEL fans but i have to ask this question.

No war actually. AMD simply can not keep with Intel these days. Price/performance, tdp/power, manufacturing process... that all speaks for Intel...

[EtherealN]

Also note: it is a bit of marketingspeak when saying the FX chips are "8-core".

 

 

What AMD has done here is something that is pretty different to how "cores" are usually counted: they've lifted several components out of the "core" into what is now a "module" that has two integer cores but FPU and several other resources shared.

 

Unfortunately, the FPU is sort of important for physics calculations like in simulators, and thread scheduling can do funny stuff with an architecture like this - schedule two threads to two different cores; but if both threads use a lot of Float then they'll still compete for resouces and the OS and process may or may not be smart enough to schedule to different modules rather than just different cores.

 

I think you'd be happy with either, but I really don't like the FX chips. Awesome for file servers though (arguably superior value, though maybe not performance, to what Intel has for that application actually).

Edited November 29, 2012 by EtherealN

[SkateZilla]

For Pure gaming, Intel.

 

 

for my purposes, I use an FX CPU, because I can run like 7 or 8 CPU intenstive tasks and not have 1 bit of OS lag...

 

doing the same thing on my neighbors Intel i5 isnt so friendly, by time i opened the 6th Application, the start menu and keystrokes were already 2 to 4 seconds behind.

 

Having 8 integer cores benefits in some areas, but not games.

[Pilotasso]

For gaming you dont need more than 4 cores, and Intel offers far more per clock cycle on each of the cores. AMD is competitive only for low cost 3D rendering machines which few have use for.

[trooph]

THank U for the useful tips guys. It gave me food for thought. Have to carefully think it through before i place my money somewhere.

 

TBH by seeing most of the rigs have I5/I7 and never saw a single word written on these forums about performance issues... that gives u some picture of which path to choose.

Also i wonder how does Intel CPU and AMD Video card compatibility looks like. I have Sapphire HD 7850 2gb... or do i have to change it to some Nvidia card aswell

 

Im just sick and tired of performance issues with my current rig which is still decent for other games. Never had a problem with ultra high settings in any game... exeption is dcs since 1.0.9

Edited November 29, 2012 by trooph

[agrasyuk]

There are no compatibility issues between any CPU makes with any GPU make. You can continue using your card.

[trooph]

There are no compatibility issues between any CPU makes with any GPU make. You can continue using your card.

 

Actually what i mean by that is there a power loss while using AMD INTEL combo and increase while using Intel Nvidia/ AMD ATI

[Rhinox]

What AMD has done here is something that is pretty different to how "cores" are usually counted

Seems to be something similar to Intel's "hyper-threading". But at least Intel came with new slogan for it (which might be even bigger marketing crap)...

[trooph]

Last question. Which INTEL CPU would u recommend to me guys? Remember i have 500$ to spend on both cpu mb and maybe ssd...

[EtherealN]

Seems to be something similar to Intel's "hyper-threading". But at least Intel came with new slogan for it (which might be even bigger marketing crap)...

 

What FX did has no commonality with HT at all. For one thing, HT is actually a good idea... :P

 

Hyperthreading allows simultaneous execution and handling of two threads on one core. It makes no claims at all about actually adding cores, all it does is to say that there is simultaneous execution on a single core, allowing more effective use of the resources that are already there.

 

The big issue with the FX design, as I said, is that considerable and important execution resources are not even inside the "core": physically. If Hyperthreading on Intel were to cause you issues, you can turn it off, but you can't turn off the design of the silicon. And in the case of HT, you will always have the full complement of execution resources wherever you adress a given thread.

 

And yes, HT is good.

Cinebench, 8 threads, 57 seconds to render the scene (7.30pts)

Cinebench, 4 threads, 81 seconds to render the scene (5.08pts)

(Runs done in succession)

 

Now yes, HT isn't doing miracles for computer games. This phenomenon is known as "computer games aren't very multithreaded to begin with, even the ones that claim they are". You need a job to be pretty well sliced to utilize HT just like with any multithreading (unless it's something like a dualcore with HT, common on the laptop, in which case HT is very very good to have even for desktop prod and normal games) except that HT is a bit more permissive since it doesn't add cores that will sit there being idle - rather it makes darned sure you're actually getting use for all the execution resources that are already there.

 

If Intel actually claimed that my i7-2600K was an "8-core" processor, then you could have a point. But they don't. AMD does, however, claim that their FX is an "8-core".

[EtherealN]

Last question. Which INTEL CPU would u recommend to me guys? Remember i have 500$ to spend on both cpu mb and maybe ssd...

 

I'd probably suggest something like i5-2500k unless you specifically need PCIe 3. Overclocks like a beast (good for the future) and is hopefully pretty cheap now.

 

For mobo, I'd probably suggest something like ASUS P8Z77-M PRO for a cheap m-ATX option, or ASUS P8Z77-V for a good value ATX mobo.

 

i5-2500k and P8Z77-V mobo lands together at ~381 euros in my country, though this is an expensive country (Sweden) and includes 25% sales tax. Hopefully cheaper still at your place. Remember to check if you need RAM.

[trooph]

I'd probably suggest something like i5-2500k unless you specifically need PCIe 3. Overclocks like a beast (good for the future) and is hopefully pretty cheap now.

 

For mobo, I'd probably suggest something like ASUS P8Z77-M PRO for a cheap m-ATX option, or ASUS P8Z77-V for a good value ATX mobo.

 

i5-2500k and P8Z77-V mobo lands together at ~381 euros in my country, though this is an expensive country (Sweden) and includes 25% sales tax. Hopefully cheaper still at your place. Remember to check if you need RAM.

 

 

All i need is good CPU power to handle DCS games without freezes ... I have them now with my Phenom... It used to run at 80 fps with hdr and stuff.. now i can barely get 30 fps

I just want my mobo to include USB 3.0 and SATA III for ssd

[EtherealN]

You should be fine with either of those mobos, then.

[trooph]

Thank U very much for ur advices :)

[Cedaway]

Intel for sure.

AMD's not more competitive about high performances.

Check prices for Intel 3570K prices: around 200€ - 250€.

[EtherealN]

Check prices for Intel 3570K prices: around 200€ - 250€.

 

Wow, you're right - checked newegg as well for some US prices.

 

Weird to have so little diff in price between them here. Did they slash them lately?

[trooph]

3570k.. What makes IT better? Its 20€ more than 2500

[Kuky]

3570k.. What makes IT better? Its 20€ more than 2500

 

One very obvious thing is that the "K" version means its unlocked so it will be fairly easy to overclock it an get more performance out of it.

[STRYKE]

There is one very good IT professional, that I know and he was asked same question recently.

Choose any manufacturer, that you want. No big difference in perfomance and whoever you will choose in a few monthes there will be something faster from another company anyway.

[EtherealN]

Choose any manufacturer, that you want. No big difference in perfomance and whoever you will choose in a few monthes there will be something faster from another company anyway.

 

AMD has had 2 years to come up with something that is faster than Sandy Bridge; which Intel is slowly phasing out in favor of Ivy and prepping for Haswell.

 

In graphics processors AMD is definitely still in the fight, though.

[WildBillKelsoe]

I have AMD FX-8150 Bulldozer, and GTX 650 2GB. Check my youtube channel vids. A-10C 1.1.1.1. and world 1.2.2 are running nominal.

[blkspade]

I am particularly curious about what will grant the most performance improvement in DCS world, especially on the ground or flying low level. I currently have an AMD 1055t overclocked to 3.75Ghz and an HD6950 modded to HD6970 spec. Typically my fps near airfields is 20-23, though at one point was as low as 16. Obviously looking for the cheapest and simplest way to improve performance. I'm more than likely CPU limited and an upgrade to FX-8350 or 8320 fits. I already have a supported motherboard a SSD and 8GB of ram. If its a graphics bottleneck then, I'd look into grabbing an AMD HD7xxx graphics card.