Need Help Landing

[ErichVon]

I have been learning the Ka-50 both BS1 and BS2 for about 8 months. I am self taught, but I read the flight manual---still (lots to learn), read forums here and read SimHQ, watch the YouTube videos, did the training videos in BS1 and the training videos by BigFoot.

 

I fly in full sim mode in BS1 in FC2 and BS2 in DCS_World. I do not use the Central Position Trimmer Mode. My controllers are CH Products. My profile is Crunch's latest from CH Hangar.

 

I flew a sortie in Multiplayer in DCS_World, on the <51>SERVER (US), last night---great ping rates. I cold started the Ka-50 just to stay in practice, took off, hovered it, in Auto-Pilot Route Mode went off to waypoint 2. Was instructed to proceed to waypoint 4, so I bypassed waypoint 3 using the PVI-800 and proceeded in AP in Direct Heading. Before getting to Waypoint 4 I was instructed to fly a cross-country heading, so I engaged the Flight Director, got there, hovered on station and killed the ground vehicle targets. I was low on gas, so RTB. Then flew the long trip back to the FARP. Then proceeded to crash and ejected.

 

I think the best way to learn landing is with a guy that knows how in Multiplayer using low ping rates. I am in NY, Zulu minus 5.

 

I have landed 2 good runway landings and one FARP in 8 months!

 

It has been a long, slow learning curve but I am slowly getting there.

 

Thanks for any help with critiques, links, or hands-on instruction.

[DoctorStrop]

I have been learning the Ka-50 both BS1 and BS2 for about 8 months. I am self taught, but I read the flight manual---still (lots to learn), read forums here and read SimHQ, watch the YouTube videos, did the training videos in BS1 and the training videos by BigFoot.

 

I fly in full sim mode in BS1 in FC2 and BS2 in DCS_World. I do not use the Central Position Trimmer Mode. My controllers are CH Products. My profile is Crunch's latest from CH Hangar.

 

I flew a sortie in Multiplayer in DCS_World, on the <51>SERVER (US), last night---great ping rates. I cold started the Ka-50 just to stay in practice, took off, hovered it, in Auto-Pilot Route Mode went off to waypoint 2. Was instructed to proceed to waypoint 4, so I bypassed waypoint 3 using the PVI-800 and proceeded in AP in Direct Heading. Before getting to Waypoint 4 I was instructed to fly a cross-country heading, so I engaged the Flight Director, got there, hovered on station and killed the ground vehicle targets. I was low on gas, so RTB. Then flew the long trip back to the FARP. Then proceeded to crash and ejected.

 

I think the best way to learn landing is with a guy that knows how in Multiplayer using low ping rates. I am in NY, Zulu minus 5.

 

I have landed 2 good runway landings and one FARP in 8 months!

 

It has been a long, slow learning curve but I am slowly getting there.

 

Thanks for any help with critiques, links, or hands-on instruction.

 

Can you hover without auto hover? I couldn't land until I learned how to hover manually, if that makes sense.

[sobek]

Could you post a track of a typical landing so we can see what is going wrong?

 

My first guess would be the most important one - trimming.

[Meatwod]

Definately trim to hover without auto-hover. Then it should be slow decent to the ground, watch your rate of decent indicator, when close to the ground you should be no greater than 3 per sec or risk damaging the gear of bouncing off the tarmac. The closer to zero the better.

[karambiatos]

1st id say you should learn to get into hover effectively or semi hover 20-30kph, in different situations, and mark points for your self that you shouldnt go past.

 

When landing the most important thing to do is to take it slow, and steady, dont rush anything, and if you think you are going to miss the landing pad dont worry, just turn around or go past it and come back again.

[Heli Shed]

I have been learning the Ka-50 both BS1 and BS2 for about 8 months. I am self taught, but I read the flight manual---still (lots to learn), read forums here and read SimHQ, watch the YouTube videos, did the training videos in BS1 and the training videos by BigFoot.

 

I fly in full sim mode in BS1 in FC2 and BS2 in DCS_World. I do not use the Central Position Trimmer Mode. My controllers are CH Products. My profile is Crunch's latest from CH Hangar.

 

I flew a sortie in Multiplayer in DCS_World, on the <51>SERVER (US), last night---great ping rates. I cold started the Ka-50 just to stay in practice, took off, hovered it, in Auto-Pilot Route Mode went off to waypoint 2. Was instructed to proceed to waypoint 4, so I bypassed waypoint 3 using the PVI-800 and proceeded in AP in Direct Heading. Before getting to Waypoint 4 I was instructed to fly a cross-country heading, so I engaged the Flight Director, got there, hovered on station and killed the ground vehicle targets. I was low on gas, so RTB. Then flew the long trip back to the FARP. Then proceeded to crash and ejected.

 

I think the best way to learn landing is with a guy that knows how in Multiplayer using low ping rates. I am in NY, Zulu minus 5.

 

I have landed 2 good runway landings and one FARP in 8 months!

 

It has been a long, slow learning curve but I am slowly getting there.

 

Thanks for any help with critiques, links, or hands-on instruction.

 

Erich.

 

You should pop along to one of my open workshops sometime. look out for them.

 

;-)

 

Regards

 

'T'

[ErichVon]

Erich.

 

You should pop along to one of my open workshops sometime. look out for them.

 

;-)

 

Regards

 

'T'

 

Hi Tyger,

 

I joined your group's web page under my alter-ego online username, yesterday. I looked around for tips. I flew your current mission in Multiplayer wee hours my time, was the only one on. I killed a bunch of stuff last night and landed better and got on the FARP at least, but not the one I took off of.

 

Wee hours this morning, kept getting shot down by SAMs, but managed to kill a power station, following the power lines to their source. Seems like SAMs were PO'd and harder from me killing them night before. 4th sortie out I creeped up on waypoint 6, between 5 and 6, at tree level, within 8K of the SAM batteries and killed 'em, depleted my Vikhrs. RTB to the FARP pad I took off of and landed pretty good on the pad, dead center. Would be nice if the Ka-50 had clear plexiglass at the pedals to look down through. I got into hover over my friendly helicopter base at about 100 feet or meters. I used some of the tips guys left here to this thread. I jockeyed around fine tuning the Trimmer to zero drift with 4 knot breeze from 309 degrees. In AP Altitude Hold and Auto Hover I eased it down using AP Descent Mode to 5 feet, then disengaged Altitude Hold and using the collective, eased it gently down. That is my best FARP landing to date. Rearmed and Refueled.

 

I really enjoy your current mission in Multiplayer. Nobody to talk to, but I was on your TeamSpeak channel, Black Shark section. I don't cheat and I play by the rules. My lingo chatter needs work... Ping yesterday was 113, this morning it was 133.

 

Thanks to all for the landing tips.

[swe_badger]

Strangely, when I stopped using trimmer I started to fly much better. Landing is a breeze now, no trimming or autohover required. Last night I had a blast on a freeflying server just doing all sorts of crazy manoeuvres, manual hovering, vertical landing (roof tops etc.), horizontal landing etc. Might be that I recently upgraded to an X-52 (non-pro) from an old Aviator, soooo much smoother input. Tonight I'm going hunting on some server. I agree that the it would be nice to be able to look straight down through the floor when doing precision vertical landings. Saw some absolutely pro shark flyers on the freeflight server, I always think I'm a pretty good pilot but then one or two guys show up and they fly like they ARE the freaking chopper.:D

[Focha]

This is my advice, in real helicopter I use to trim it first and then land, sometimes I use trim release in RL, the difference is that the cyclic "recenter" the forces and you don't feel any pressure, in BS that's not the case and you have to recenter it by hand which induce movement on the cyclic. In simulator all gets different. Make sure you have your joystick well setup. Just make a normal appch, hover above landing spot, do this by maintaining your hand firm. Then see what happens, if you still move, adjust your hand and stop 1 sec and see what happens, if you still move, make the correct hand/cyclic adjustment and stop again. My advice is, don't try to follow all the helicopter movements, you will overcompensate, sometimes even induce oscillations that aren't there.

 

Another thing you can do is trim, trim again and again, trim one more time and trim all the way until you are in a stable hover and trimmed, it's a lot easier if the helicopter is trimmed. That prevent you to have to make a big trim movement on the simulator that would probably make a huge movement on the cyclic and in turn make the helicopter move a lot.

 

Try that, hand firm, and always make trim steps short when on approach to land. If you maintain the pace you end up at a stable hover above landing spot and you just have to steadily lower you collective until touch down, don't forget parking brake on, and then slowly adjust cyclic when wheels touch. Try doing it several times, and you will end up with perfect landings.

 

Just my two cents, report back your results. :) Again is important to have the joystick well setup, from my point of view, the sim is really close to reality in terms of landing, as far as a simulator is concerned. Landing a Dauphin is the same thing.

 

Best regards and safe flights.

[HugePanic]

You can try two things that might help:

 

1. Switch in the virtual stick rcrtl+enter two monitor the current stick position

2. Disable heading hold

 

Have fun

[71st_Mastiff]

you have to remember this is a coaxial helicopter much easier to fly then a single with tail rotor.

 

try flying a single rotor set up. :thumbup:

 

Thats how I'm going to know how this new DCS World engine will react to the Huey when it comes out,

The natural state of the Huey should be that it will try to crash itself when I take off.. :megalol:

 

 

I have dabbled in a R44.

Cessna 172rg

Edited December 23, 2012 by Mastiff

[ErichVon]

Landed real good on the FARP I took off from returning from an online sortie, wee hours this morning. I used the autopilot in all 4 modes and hover, but not Flight Director. From cruise RTB, I came into hover, zero movement, then easy does it forward to the pad while also using the collective's AP Descent Mode. I landed dead center on the pad in a 4 knot wind from 309 degrees. I rearmed, refueled, repaired battle damage and took off again for another round.

 

I am not much fond of my TrackIR5, so I use the number keypad for views. What I find that works very well is RCtrl+RShift+Numpad 8 which raises my head up over the nose of the Ka-50 and zoom in with the RCtrl+RShift+Numpad * . I have not tried, yet, using LAlt+F1 . I wonder if that view would help? Some of the servers allow external views, but I don't use them for landing as it is a crutch, as some servers only allow F1 out the inside cockpit view and might allow F10 and F11. Numpad #5 is the neutral recenter out the cockpit. I bought a better Logitech keyboard, the G510, with 54 programmable G-keys, just for DCS World that I set some of my views with.

 

I am getting better at landing, still a work in progress...

 

I know a guy that is an A&P aircraft mechanic and a long time private pilot that recently built a bi-plane for himself. He treated himself once to helicopter lessons with a trainer by his side. I asked him about using the trimmer. He said the training helicopter he flew did not have one and all the moves he did were very light touch on the controls, not ham-fisted rough moves.

 

I will experiment with various ways of landing and hope I can some day perfect coming in hot to a pad like the helicopter in the USA TV series M.A.S.H.

 

Thanks for the tips.

Edited December 24, 2012 by ErichVon

[ErichVon]

you have to remember this is a coaxial helicopter much easier to fly then a single with tail rotor.

 

try flying a single rotor set up. :thumbup:

 

Thats how I'm going to know how this new DCS World engine will react to the Huey when it comes out,

The natural state of the Huey should be that it will try to crash itself when I take off.. :megalol:

 

 

I have dabbled in a R44.

Cessna 172rg

 

I am patiently waiting for the Huey. Can we put armament on it like 'Nam?

 

I remember seeing helicopter trainees, 'Nam era, they were tethered to the ground and all day long were practicing basic moves off the ground, into the air, hover, land. Kind of like the Navy Seabees electrical linemen trainees in 1974 Port Hueneme A-school, 1st thing every morning up and down telephone poles in long sets and hour or two at a time using cleats and the belt, building stamina and confidence trusting the belt.

 

Long time ago I played the Microsoft Gunship sim. The Ka-50 in this sim is much more difficult to fly.