Comparision between Falcon AF and LockOn

[Guest ruggbutt]

Found this on F4HQ... sounds like a challenge to me ;)

Not even interested. I fly F4:AF but I only go to their boards if I have a configuration problem or something I really can't figure out myself. Some of those guys don't realize that it's just a game, on a computer. They measure their interweb penor size by the money spent on their metal stick and how many different hacked versions of F4 they have installed. (By hacked I meant user mods, cuz we all know the original code was stolen).

 

I like the LOMAC guys much better, because they are actually trying to help out without using a ruler to see who is more manly. As for the challenge, I laugh at that stuff. It's so much easier to fly the Viper in F4. And if you put those wannabees in the 25T they'd be splattered all over the landscape.

 

The one thing you can guarantee is that I wouldn't waste my time posting on their boards that their sim sucked. I can't say that for some of the other weenies on those boards.

[britgliderpilot]

Found this on F4HQ... sounds like a challenge to me ;)

I think we should have a dick-measuring contest between AF and LOMAC. Bring them over to AF and astonish them with the size of our dicks, then switch over to LOMAC and wave our dicks some more while drooling over the graphics. anyways, I'd put money on AF pilots having bigger dicks than LOMAC pilots any day

 

 

. . . . . Err, OK.

[Guest ruggbutt]

Fixed!

[S77th-konkussion]

As "Arcadish & inferior" as LOMAC is There's always someone from F4HQ hanging out here ready to troll. Are we longing for something guys? ;) Why is it that posts regarding F4 from Lomac pilots happily recognize and <salute> the avionics realism & the DC that F4 provides, yet all I ever see from the other side is the same old vitriole. Arcade this & that, graphics envy, blah blah. A real turn off if you ask me. Also there seems to plenty of insecurity with the admins on those forums- I know I've seen at least a 1/2 dozen people banned for daring to criticize Falcon. Pretty childish.

 

ED gets torn a new one by the LOMAC community all the time- do they break out the ban stick? No. They actually listen, fix what they can, and generally work as team with us to improve the sim more and more. We don't get everything we need or want either. In case you didn't know- it certainly looks like these guys are working towards avionics realism that will make falcon's modeling look like "Defender"

 

 

I did NOT buy your game because after all that unjustified hype regarding the latest version- it doesn't even have full track IR support. Factor in all the immaturity I've read & seen for 2 yrs, & you can have F4. Your most recent forum posts regarding um.. anatomy (or lack thereof) make my point beautifully.

 

LOMAC bias didn't cause this- The inferior product & the pre-pubescent community surrounding it did.

 

The door is right there gentlemen. If you don't like it here- USE it. You F4 guys that want to come here to fly and enjoy themselves with us- welcome. Are people leaving Planet Falcon for other sims like LOMAC? Is that what all this is rooted in?

 

 

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[britgliderpilot]

The door is right there gentlemen. If you don't like it here- USE it. You F4 guys that want to come here to fly and enjoy themselves with us- welcome. Are people leaving Planet Falcon for other sims like LOMAC? Is that what all this is rooted in?

 

Wait a moment, wait a moment . . . .

 

 

I don't think any F4 fanbois have appeared in this thread yet, you're overreacting. Someone posted a quote from an F4 forum, it wasn't posted by anyone here.

 

 

I know the USUAL response is for someone to drop in and say something prompting the above answer, but so far they don't seem to have done yet . . . in fact it's been relatively civil.

[The Beast]

just like to point out one thing about the boards i get more help from the falcon boards than i do from the lock on boards the only reason i say this is everytime i have a question about the 15 or aim-120 it always turns into a well the -120 sucks etc etc so if you ask me i feel the falcon boards is better but then again most of you lock on boys fly russian stuff anyway. by the way i fly both sims

[S77th-konkussion]

I'm cool. :) Gambit was my initial provocation. The "lomac is arcade" nonsense.

[S77th-konkussion]

just like to point out one thing about the boards i get more help from the falcon boards than i do from the lock on boards the only reason i say this is everytime i have a question about the 15 or aim-120 it always turns into a well the -120 sucks etc etc so if you ask me i feel the falcon boards is better but then again most of you lock on boys fly russian stuff anyway.

 

All boards are going to be filled with people who would rather complain about non existent bugs than answer questions. Usually because they can't figure it out either. Thing is- here we have MANY planes -all with some bugs. More to talk about. You have to ignore the whining, and give your thread time to collect more responses. Chances are very good you'll get an answer.

[The Beast]

All boards are going to be filled with people who would rather complain about non existent bugs than answer questions. Usually because they can't figure it out either. Thing is- here we have MANY planes -all with some bugs. More to talk about. You have to ignore the whining, and give your thread time to collect more responses. Chances are very good you'll get an answer.

 

 

i agree with you but i would rather not wade thru the bs and in the falcon forums i dont have to. I guess im just bitter cause the empisis is more on russian planes then the american ones but thats to be expected and ill just have to cope with it

[BuzzU]

I don't get what you mean? Have you seen the fixes the F-15 got in the last patch and the one coming up? Have you seen how many F-15's are on HL?

 

With that said. Why not fly the Russian planes? They're fun to fly. We have the Viper in F4 and only the Viper. Wouldn't that be a bit more bias than Lock On?

[The Beast]

I don't get what you mean? Have you seen the fixes the F-15 got in the last patch and the one coming up? Have you seen how many F-15's are on HL?

 

With that said. Why not fly the Russian planes? They're fun to fly. We have the Viper in F4 and only the Viper. Wouldn't that be a bit more bias than Lock On?

 

i wouldnt say its more bias i would say its one plane you know what you can fly. in lock you have 2 american planes and 5 or so russian and they keep adding russian planes (kinda of bias dont you think). As far as russian planes go i occasionally fly the -29 but i still like the -15 and -10 better just my preference thats all. I would have loved to have seen another american plane in the game but no we are getting a helo and a russian one at that. Oh well

[BuzzU]

Well, we are getting the Viper someday.

[britgliderpilot]

i wouldnt say its more bias i would say its one plane you know what you can fly. in lock you have 2 american planes and 5 or so russian and they keep adding russian planes (kinda of bias dont you think). As far as russian planes go i occasionally fly the -29 but i still like the -15 and -10 better just my preference thats all. I would have loved to have seen another american plane in the game but no we are getting a helo and a russian one at that. Oh well

 

That's echo-gnomics for you. Had a Western publishing company picked up Lomac, we might have seen more Western aircraft.

 

As it is, ED has a deal with 1C:Games in Russia, and just retains the ability to sell some games in the West. Curse teh evil ubi!11!one!!

 

 

More Western jets would indeed be nice, but isn't going to happen anytime soon.

[britgliderpilot]

Well, we are getting the Viper someday.

 

Yeah, and an advanced MIG29 :D

 

Complex avionics on a recent spec-level MiG and something decent to fly it against . . . . fun!

 

All subject to change, disclaimer, etc . . . . remember, there was a time when we thought we'd get the Hornet flyable after Lomac release :(

 

One more thing to remember - the plan is for the MiG and the F16. It's not, to the best of my knowledge, for the MiG, the F16, and all the other flyables from Lomac . . . .

 

 

Of course - Fighter Ops is planning to get the Eagle and Hog, and we don't know how well either of these new sims is going to deal with dynamic campaigns just yet . . . .

 

One thing's for sure - it's going to be fun finding out :)

[Yellonet]

I'm cool. :) Gambit was my initial provocation. The "lomac is arcade" nonsense.

Just to clear something up, this Gambit is not from these forums, but from the F4AF forums.

[Cosmonaut]

just like to point out one thing about the boards i get more help from the falcon boards than i do from the lock on boards the only reason i say this is everytime i have a question about the 15 or aim-120 it always turns into a well the -120 sucks etc etc so if you ask me i feel the falcon boards is better but then again most of you lock on boys fly russian stuff anyway. by the way i fly both sims

 

Sorry but I disagree. I don't think you'll find a more self critical flightsim community than lockon. And the BS you refer to is called a difference of opinion something your not use to because in the F4 forums everyone is to busy stroking each others HOTAS with no time for anyone that wants to say anything other than how great F4 is. Oh I bet you can ask a question like how to fix or install something but try asking why does the aim 120 lack any realistic behavior patterns and see what happens.

 

Most of us fly Russian planes?? Nonsense but I can bet all of you F4 guys fly Falcons ;)

[SUBS17]

Alot of F4 guys actually have FC;) , I think you guys are judging them all by a few bad apples. As far as communitys are concerned lockons community is no different to the F4 one. The good thing about F4 is since its release of F4AF and the commercials on TV the Jet combat community has grown quite a bit. So everyone is basically got the same interests, Flying Fast shooting stuff down and blowing shit up. Sure F4AF you can only fly the F-16 but there are several versions modeled quite well. F-16A, C block 32,40,50,50CCIP,52,52CCIP and MLU. (I think theres even a 60 in there somewhere) And in the next patch the B and D models are hopefully getting put back in although they are still only single seat flyables which is why F4 is quite limited still LP is getting the most out of it and its worth while using both F4AF and lockon. F4AF is brilliant for online Squadrons for campaigns wars etc. Lockons good for Dogfights against other flyables and also unique for A/G.

[MGonzales]

One big difference is that as an F4 fanboi you can post criticism here like "lockon is an arcade game", with out being band.. try posting that "lockon is better than F4" on the Falcon forums and see what happens ;).

 

I assume that this thread is still in the back of your mind...

http://www.simmersworld.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9709

 

And I still disagree with your comments about it (top of page)...

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/38610606/m/6831099473/p/2

 

Start of thread...

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/38610606/m/6831099473

 

IMO, VVBusH/VVaFFenPanZZeR was just plain trolling.:icon_wink

 

 

Man, why can't we all be like hardcore Falconeer "F4 instructor" BeachAV8R who creates fantastic Lock On videos?

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=146;t=000404

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Mark

[leafer]

:D :D :D

 

Someone needs to remind Gambit that someone from the LOMAC community did play Falcon on-line with them and kicked asses. His name be Shepski!

 

I remember him saying how surprised they were that he's ass whooping them all over their monitors. Thanks to the FM in Flanker, he says.

 

Haha

 

Ok, Shepski didn't actually say ass whooping but you get the idea.

[MGonzales]

Alot of F4 guys actually have FC;) , I think you guys are judging them all by a few bad apples.

 

Is Mower the ring leader? :)

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Mark

[The Beast]

Most of us fly Russian planes?? Nonsense but I can bet all of you F4 guys fly Falcons ;)

 

 

no shit huh?? i thaught i was flying an f-4;)

[Cosmonaut]

no shit huh?? i thaught i was flying an f-4;)

 

.. well now you know lol

 

@ MGonzales

 

..That and a few others that come to mind. And I have no doubt you think he was trolling after all he was saying he preferred another sim so I guess on the F4 boards that's considered trolling... but coming here and saying lockon is an arcade game isn't trolling?? Anyway don't expect the same collective unquestioned response on these forums as you would get in the Falcon forums when you start to sell the virtues of F4 in the contexts of its superiority over lockon.

[muamshai]

Thanks everybody.

 

There are a few posts in this thread that were quite helpful, and helped me to understand the difference. I am not interested to know what other forms said about what. Sadly a few posters didn't see one clear instruction:

 

Note: I don't want this thread to be converted into a game bashing thread. If you can't contribute positively just because that you can't control your emotions then please don't bother to post. Klar? compreendo? :icon_evil:icon_evil:icon_evil:icon_evil

 

Is it really too hard to communicate with each other via PMs? I don't know about others but I am NOT interested in the arguments. I am only intested to know TECHNICAL INFORMATION and YOUR GAMEPLAY experience :mad:

[Yellonet]

Is it really too hard to communicate with each other via PMs? I don't know about others but I am NOT interested in the arguments. I am only intested to know TECHNICAL INFORMATION and YOUR GAMEPLAY experience :mad:

Pff.. what's the point in putting someone in their place if no one can see you do it? ;) :icon_jook

 

But to summarize:

LOMAC is for people who prefer realistic flying and realistic combat over realistic avionics.

Falcon 4 AF is for people who prefer realistic avionics over realistic flying and realistic combat.

[S77th-konkussion]

muamshai- this thread has been posted at least 50 times on a half dozen forums. Seems to me you could have read it by now yeah? There are a few members of the F4 community who apparently have nothing better to do than insert themselves into posts like this with the sole purpose of insulting the sim & the community as a whole for daring to prefer it. You rarely see that behavior from LOck on pilots who quickly credit the advantages found in F4. People are going to defend themselves & react to immaturity. Get over it.