Manuel Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 TM Warthog is just too expensive! x52pro is sufficient.. and a 1/3 of the price. Had both and X52 Pro is a whole other world. You will never go back to x52 when experienced the hog. PC: Asus P8Z77-M Mainboard; Intel i5-3570K (4x3,4Ghz) mit Scythe Mugen 3 CPU Kühler; 16Gb Corsair XMS3 1600Mhz; Nvidia GTX570 1280mb; Samsung 830 SSD; Samsung HDD Flight Sim Gear: TM Warthog; Saitek Pro Pedals; TM Cougars on an 19" screen; TrackIR 5 w/ trackclip pro; Logitech G35 headset
KillerSam Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Yes TrackIR is a must - infact once you get used to it you'll try to turn your head when you watch videos haha I've done that many MANY times. You feel like a right fool!
MadTommy Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Had both and X52 Pro is a whole other world. You will never go back to x52 when experienced the hog. I don't doubt that.. but €350 is too much for a joystick for me. I'm sure its the dog bollocks, but that is a lot of money for a joystick. i5-3570K @ 4.5 Ghz, Asus P8Z77-V, 8 GB DDR3, 1.5GB GTX 480 (EVGA, superclocked), SSD, 2 x 1680x1050, x-fi extreme music. TM Warthog, Saitek combat pro pedals, TrackIR 4
112th_Rossi Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 So does the TM Warthog not have a twist for the rudder operation?
Oznerol256 Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 No it doesnt. I had to realise that too since im using a rather poor setup: - Selfbuild 3-point-led-cap with an unmodified Logitech C510 and FreeTrack - Trustmaster Hotas X The Hotas X has twist handle and an additional controller on the throttle so im pretty much used to have a basic rudder control. From my point of view it isnt always neccecary to have a rudder pedals if you have twist handle. The precision of my Hotas is enough to fly aerial refueling if youre concentrated. A headtracker in the other side really makes life easier. As FreeTrack or FaceTrackNoIR are almost free, i cant understand why someone should try to fly without a headtracker. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
112th_Rossi Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Hmm cross wind landings without rudders would be a bit of a challenge.
pii Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 TM Warthog which is in my opinion the bees knees . Perfect description:thumbup: Grandma is that you? ;)
pii Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 TM Warthog is just too expensive! x52pro is sufficient.. and a 1/3 of the price. Oh my dear misguided man. Look save up 10 bucks a month and treat yourself to the bees knees I was you, had a 52pro and I'm a little tight with the wallet and when I bought it I was like damnnn this was expensive...... BUT THEN ITS A G$D##M COOL AS SH&T and A F-ING WORK OF MFing ART! So it should cost a little more :megalol: PS My description was the PG version .
Calculon Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Hmm cross wind landings without rudders would be a bit of a challenge. I have the full CH Products setup (including pedals) and I have to say, as much as I love the pedals for immersion, authenticity and fine tuning will doing gun strafing, they arent overly necessary for A-10C. Now - in Rise of Flight? - No Pedals = DEAD fast. For that game, if you want to play you MUST have pedals, no two ways about it. In fact, I would say pedals are more important than the joystick. With A-10C - they can come later.
LcSummers Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 TM Warthog is just too expensive! x52pro is sufficient.. and a 1/3 of the price. Hey Mad Tommy, i thought that way too. It took me 3/4 year to decide NOW ITS TIME because it is expensive but this is another feeling combined with the A-10. When you get used to it, you wont miss it, its like a dream nearly everything is on the stick, flying is much easier. For me its the best on the market.:thumbup: YOu cant compare it to other sticks. PS: ITS A FANTASTIC THREAD!!!! LC
LcSummers Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Saitek Pro pedals are just fine Danke Manuel! So no problems with it? Its hard to decide. As i want the HUEY too, COMBAT pedals are better????? Dont know should it be the PRO or COMBAT???? S! LC
Calculon Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Danke Manuel! So no problems with it? Its hard to decide. As i want the HUEY too, COMBAT pedals are better????? Dont know should it be the PRO or COMBAT???? S! LC I know this is off topic - but Im not "getting" the concept of the Huey personally. I dont get the added value - unless its possible to transport troops and drop them off at a battle. But this again in my mind would require some sort of FPS expansion to Combined Arms.
acino Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I know this is off topic - but Im not "getting" the concept of the Huey personally. I dont get the added value - unless its possible to transport troops and drop them off at a battle. But this again in my mind would require some sort of FPS expansion to Combined Arms. I wish it would be possible to extract downed pilots with Huey. So many possibilities would open up...
Marklar Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Oh my dear misguided man. Look save up 10 bucks a month and treat yourself to the bees knees I sold a few days of my annual leave to get TW Hotas :). It was worth it! i9 13900K; RTX 4090, 64GB RAM. Reverb G2; VPC MongoosT-50CM3, VPC WarBRD Base with VPC Constellation ALPHA stick, MFG Crosswind V3
MadTommy Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Oh my dear misguided man. Look save up 10 bucks a month and treat yourself to the bees knees . ...3 years later i'd have my TM Warthog! Simming is not my only expensive hobby, i'm just about to blow $3,000 on a new camera! When i break my x52 i'll see how tempting the Warthog is! (ohh that joystick looks close to the edge of my desk..) :music_whistling: i5-3570K @ 4.5 Ghz, Asus P8Z77-V, 8 GB DDR3, 1.5GB GTX 480 (EVGA, superclocked), SSD, 2 x 1680x1050, x-fi extreme music. TM Warthog, Saitek combat pro pedals, TrackIR 4
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) Sure, I won´t throw my pedals away. If you have already one it´s great. I just meant that if you fly the A-10 alone and nothing else pedals are not 1st priority because of all the SAS stuff (or whatever it is called) you rarely miss them when flying. I did not meant the Oculus Rift to use it with a Flight Simulator. What I meant is, that TrackIR is currently the only one selling a Headtracker. With the Oculus Rift arriving (and if it´s really "only" 300USD as the DevKit is), then it might have a big impact on the amount of TrackIRs they will sell in the future and may adjust their prices a little bit downwards. That´s like playing with money on the Wallstreet of course, but I´m a patient man and I can wait. I don´t really miss a Headtracking device that much right now and I played around with it some time ago with LEDs, a WiiMote and FreeTrack with Live for Speed and I think Grand Prix Legends back then. I was not able to control the car at all with the Head Movement, but this might be different in a plane of course. Currently I have too much to do to learn all the systems in the A-10C and after that the same for the KA-50, so I have plenty of time left until I think I´m that good that I will benefit from a Headtracker (although it´s really tempting to get one of course). Edit: About Facetrack Noir. I don´t have a Webcam at all and after playing with Freetrack for a while with Hardware I had anyway, I think I´ll wait for a good opportunity to buy a TrackIR instead of shelling out money for additional Hardware I don´t really need. But thanks for the advise :-) i appreciate everything you say here, but i have to say, that from my point of few you are wrong :)...i think everybody who purchases trackir, benefits from the first second on. i remember when i bought my first trackir, it took me about half an hour to install, and create a profil, which fitted perfectly for my taste in il2 1946 back then.after these 30minutes, it already felt so natural, that i couldnt imagine to fly without one anymore.really. this was about ~3years ago.for every different sim i then only slightly adjusted my profile, and there is really no way back,once you fly with a working headtracking system.in a flight sim with 6dof cockpits, and especially in a combat environment, a trackir is the most beneficial tool you can purchase...probably almost as necessary as a stick.pedals, although not absolutely necessary at first, once you got one, you cant fly without them anymore... all the above is of course only my opninion. PS: my warthog arrived ~2weeks ago, and yep, this stick rocks.had ch fighterstick and ch pro throttle before, but they collect dust now. Edited March 19, 2013 by 9./JG27 DavidRed
buedi Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I don't doubt that.. but €350 is too much for a joystick for me. I'm sure its the dog bollocks, but that is a lot of money for a joystick. You can get it for as low as ~275€ sometimes, but yes. It´s still a lot of money.
andysim Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I love Track IR so much I use it in almost every game that it runs with. Its awsome in Arma2/3 and just about every driving game ever! Even Euro Truck sim 2 of all things =)
pii Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 ...3 years later i'd have my TM Warthog! Simming is not my only expensive hobby, i'm just about to blow $3,000 on a new camera! When i break my x52 i'll see how tempting the Warthog is! (ohh that joystick looks close to the edge of my desk..) :music_whistling: LOL meant 10 a week. 3,000.00 for a camera! Now that's crazy. LOL just kidding
Guest Izoul123 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) I sell games for a living. When people ask me how much this sim costs when they come in and ask for a good sim that I can't sell them on console/PC for in store items, I tell them it's a $600 simulator assuming their PC is up to current 'gaming' specs. I don't even explain it any other way. It should be sold as a bundle for serious flight sim enthusiasts, and even to casual enthusiasts who can afford it. The level of enjoyment/immersion/LEARNING RATE is exponentially better when you have TIR5/Pro Clip+TMWH+DSC. Take any one of those 3 out of the equation and the experience falls apart greatly in my view, to the point where I refuse to even give that as an option to some of my bigger customers, as I know they'd be pissed if I didn't get them the full experience. There is no comparison. I just wish a sim/this hardware existed when I was playing the old Jane's/Falcon/Tornado sims back in the day. I still remember when I connected with a BBS owner on Falcon via a 14.4 baud 'upgraded' modem when they first came out, and the slide show graphic sim was AMAZING/unheard of experience! It's not about being 'elitist/best hardware'...it's about experiencing something the way it was meant to be/built for. That's also a point I stress to these customers, and they have thanked me for it. Do it right gents. Edited March 20, 2013 by Izoul123
pii Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 I sell games for a living. When people ask me how much this sim costs when they come in and ask for a good sim that I can't sell them on console/PC for in store items, I tell them it's a $600 simulator assuming their PC is up to current 'gaming' specs. I don't even explain it any other way. It should be sold as a bundle for serious flight sim enthusiasts, and even to casual enthusiasts who can afford it. The level of enjoyment/immersion/LEARNING RATE is exponentially better when you have TIR5/Pro Clip+TMWH+DSC. Take any one of those 3 out of the equation and the experience falls apart greatly in my view, to the point where I refuse to even give that as an option to some of my bigger customers, as I know they'd be pissed if I didn't get them the full experience. There is no comparison. I just wish a sim/this hardware existed when I was playing the old Jane's/Falcon/Tornado sims back in the day. I still remember when I connected with a BBS owner on Falcon via a 14.4 baud 'upgraded' modem when they first came out, and the slide show graphic sim was AMAZING/unheard of experience! It's not about being 'elitist/best hardware'...it's about experiencing something the way it was meant to be/built for. That's also a point I stress to these customers, and they have thanked me for it. Do it right gents. The amazing thing about that "bundle" is that the software that ties it all together and makes the whole experience possible is sooo inexpensive. A DCS Tornado would be a wonderful thing.
sparkie66 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Welcome to the addiction :D Say goodbye to friends and family, they'll hardly see you for a while... Little tip to enhance your TiR experience: Check out PeterP's view settings. They work great, because they simulate an 'artificial neck': http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=96116 First post, see attachment at the bottom. You'll love it. It feels much more realistic. You can try to tweak the standard 'smooth' TiR profile to your needs. Works quite good with Peter's *.lua file. Have fun! Regards Konrad my humble advise: stick with the original view settings. With the neck adjustment you lose a LOT of zoom when you move forward to the instrument panel. I keep everything original as well as the profile in trackir and it works great. as for not having a track ir or likewise device s/o mentioned. I can not imagine a serious simmer (as we all must be to fly this sim) not having a head tracker.. it makes the experience SO MUCH better. Nerd setup: Asrock P67 pro 3| 8GB DDR3 | Intel i5 2500K @ 4,3 ghz | Asus GTX 780 oc 3gb| 2x OCZ VERTEX 4 128gb SSD 1x 150 gb hdd 1x 320 gb hdd | track ir 5 & track clip pro | Thrustmaster Warthog | Thrustmaster MFD pack | ASUS 22 inch | ACER 19 inch (mfd's) | Saitek flight pedals (tip: do NOT buy ati cards for DCS A-10C) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
MadTommy Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 I am struggling with the whole concept that the TM Warthog is 'the' only decent option. If i only flew the A-10c, then i might be more inclided to agree, however i fly a massive variety of airframes.. fast jets, choppers, WWII & WWI kites, the whole she-bang.. the x52pro fits that role great. I have no issues controlling the complicated functions of the A10c with it, its second nature to me. Hell i flew the Blackshark for a year with a Logitech 3D pro and was happy! :D Bottom line, if my x52pro broke, i'd likely buy another simply so i don't have to learn how to fly my large stable of airframes with a new stick. I just don't believe the Warthog is that good! TrackIR is another story.. an absolute must have! i5-3570K @ 4.5 Ghz, Asus P8Z77-V, 8 GB DDR3, 1.5GB GTX 480 (EVGA, superclocked), SSD, 2 x 1680x1050, x-fi extreme music. TM Warthog, Saitek combat pro pedals, TrackIR 4
Irregular programming Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 I am struggling with the whole concept that the TM Warthog is 'the' only decent option. If i only flew the A-10c, then i might be more inclided to agree, however i fly a massive variety of airframes.. fast jets, choppers, WWII & WWI kites, the whole she-bang.. the x52pro fits that role great. I have no issues controlling the complicated functions of the A10c with it, its second nature to me. Hell i flew the Blackshark for a year with a Logitech 3D pro and was happy! :D Bottom line, if my x52pro broke, i'd likely buy another simply so i don't have to learn how to fly my large stable of airframes with a new stick. I just don't believe the Warthog is that good! TrackIR is another story.. an absolute must have! You are right, a modded TM cougar is still decent. :joystick:
sparkie66 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 I won´t consider Pedals a must when you fly the A-10 and rarely do crosswind landings. For taxiing on the ground, the yx (zx, depending on your Keyboard Layout) is enough. The best addition after the TM Warthog for me were the Cougar MFDs strapped on to a 2nd monitor. I am tempted to buy a TrackIR too, but it´s far too expensive for my taste. I am patient and will wait until the Oculus Rift apperas. I assume that it can shake up the very small market for Headtracking devices a little bit and I hope for a price drop for the TrackIR. Let´s wait and see. you figure that ocules rift will be cheaper than tir? It looks cool though, it would be nice to be able to look over the shoulder to a target! Anyway, i have a tir 3 pro with vector expansion to spare, so if ur in europe i can mail it to ya for 25 euros + shipping cost if you want Nerd setup: Asrock P67 pro 3| 8GB DDR3 | Intel i5 2500K @ 4,3 ghz | Asus GTX 780 oc 3gb| 2x OCZ VERTEX 4 128gb SSD 1x 150 gb hdd 1x 320 gb hdd | track ir 5 & track clip pro | Thrustmaster Warthog | Thrustmaster MFD pack | ASUS 22 inch | ACER 19 inch (mfd's) | Saitek flight pedals (tip: do NOT buy ati cards for DCS A-10C) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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