ron533 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 Hi, I finally got the BS2 upgrade with the current price drop. Is there a way I could avoid having the original BS1 on my HD, taking lots of space (4.5GB) for activation?? Is there a workaround for that maybe? I could think of a way ED letting you insert your old serial for activation and then the new serial, for their authentication reasons, but why a whole 4.5GB of now obsolete data just for the activation?? (not even talking about the hassle of installing the old game first...) Thanks! Callsign SETUP
KillaALF Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 If 4,5GB is a lot of HDD space to you, you should have considered buying the full version, no? Also, you can uninstall BS 1 once you have installed and activated BS 2, so you can get that valuable space back. Me, I didn't even bother, as 4,5GB is just a tiny drop in a big bucket.
snuffles Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 What an odd question to ask. It isn't like you can uninstall Windows 7 after applying Service Pack 1, and still enjoy the benefits of the operating system. I don't always openly list my things. But when I do, I put it in my signature.
Ich666 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 What an odd question to ask. It isn't like you can uninstall Windows 7 after applying Service Pack 1, and still enjoy the benefits of the operating system. Thats a pretty odd response, a better comparison would be not being able to uninstall WINXP after you've purchased an update version to WIN7. That being said, you can uninstall BS1 after the activation thing for BS2 is done. Now that all the update/reinstall trouble is gone you should be able to do that without having to worry about reinstalling it once the next update comes out. 1
Dudikoff Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 I could think of a way ED letting you insert your old serial for activation and then the new serial, for their authentication reasons, but why a whole 4.5GB of now obsolete data just for the activation?? (not even talking about the hassle of installing the old game first...) Yes, it's a bit of a hassle currently, but you can uninstall it after you activate the BS2 upgrade module (maybe the BS1 activation data even stays on like it does for the later versions?). If 4,5GB is a lot of HDD space to you, you should have considered buying the full version, no? How very constructive of you. But I'm cheap and didn't want to buy pretty much the same game twice just for the DCS World compatibility which was promised with the initial version (hence why the upgrade option was made available). But that's an old can of worms.. i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
ron533 Posted March 22, 2013 Author Posted March 22, 2013 Thanks for the replies. Basically I can afford 4.5GB of space... but why? for what? I'ts a logistical "nightmare"... I need to keep 2 copies installed, and when I want to move it to another PC/Windows - there's the deactivate/activate issue, which may not work if I do uninstall BS1... There should be a simple way to keep things working (i.e. sort of a DCS activation manager) but I don't think it's implemented, unless you guys here know a workaround, a utility etc'... or this is it? P.S. can ED guys address this issue maybe? (a bit naive, I know...) Callsign SETUP
159th_Viper Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 P.S. can ED guys address this issue maybe? (a bit naive, I know...) They have - the upgrade is cheaper than the Full version. If you do not want the inconvenience of the upgrade procedure you spend $10 more to gain the ease of not having the BS1 install. If you decide to go the cheaper route, you are saddled with the inconvenience. You do however save $10. Your choice and yours alone. Makes perfect sense. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
ron533 Posted March 22, 2013 Author Posted March 22, 2013 They have - the upgrade is cheaper than the Full version. If you do not want the inconvenience of the upgrade procedure you spend $10 more to gain the ease of not having the BS1 install. If you decide to go the cheaper route, you are saddled with the inconvenience. You do however save $10. Your choice and yours alone. Makes perfect sense. This approach has been answered here 2 posts above. Basically what you're saying is that I'm being "punished" for not buying the whole game again, and that's OK by ED not to come up with a simple "authentication utility" as suggested above (or something else), which would save the space and rather stupid hassle method it is now. "makes perfect sense" indeed... Callsign SETUP
KaspeR32 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) They have - the upgrade is cheaper than the Full version. If you do not want the inconvenience of the upgrade procedure you spend $10 more to gain the ease of not having the BS1 install. If you decide to go the cheaper route, you are saddled with the inconvenience. You do however save $10. Your choice and yours alone. Makes perfect sense. To be honest, it doesn't really make perfect sense. Perfect sense would be to buy the upgrade, and if you use your BS1 key at checkout, it deactivates that and gives you a full BS2 key. (so nobody else can use that BS1 key to purchase an upgrade AND they know they're not losing money from someone that actually never bought BS1) THAT, would make perfect sense. Having to have a whole different BS1 game installed is kind of silly if you ask most people. Also to the original poster, 4.5GB can be a bit annoying when you have a 120GB SSD drive, so I totally hear you and agree with you. Edited March 22, 2013 by KaspeR32 Intel i5-2500k @ 4.4GHz w/ H70 liquid cooler, ASRock PRO3-M Z68 Mobo, 32G 1600Mhz Mushkin RAM, EVGA GTX970 4GB , OCZ Agility 3 128g SSD, SanDisk 240g SSD, Win7 64-bit --Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/livingfood --
cichlidfan Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 Also to the original poster, 4.5GB can be a bit annoying when you have a 120GB SSD drive, so I totally hear you and agree with you. I would hope that if you are running SSDs that you still have at least one mechanical drive on your system as well. BS1 does not have to be on the same disk as BS2. :doh: ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
lxsapper Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 I just wanted to add my 2 cents here, because I'm alergic to stupidity. So to all you good people, including a valuable ED tester, telling the man (By the way I only bought the full version BS2, so I never had this problem) he should just buy the full version BS2, or shut up. I say: WHAT? Are you MAD? The man's point is perfectly valid, sure ED never got around to it and probably never will, but he's is rightfull complaint don't try to take that from him and dissmiss him as he was talking nonsence. As far as I'm concerned you are the ones who had brain diarrea there. Sorry for beeing frank, but like I said supidity makes me like that. 2
BigfootMSR Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 Its posted on the store page when you go to buy and download the module that this requires BS1 in bold red letters. I fail to see the problem. While it would be convenient to have a utility such as insert your bs1 key during installation, keep in mind that its out of the graciousness of ED's hearts that they even released an upgrade (at a discount) to begin with. Most companies don't do so. If you don't want the upgrade, then buy the full version. DCS: A10C Warthog JTAC coordinate entry training mission http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/99424/ DCS: Blackshark 2 interactive training missions http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=84612
ron533 Posted March 22, 2013 Author Posted March 22, 2013 Its posted on the store page when you go to buy and download the module that this requires BS1 in bold red letters. I fail to see the problem. While it would be convenient to have a utility such as insert your bs1 key during installation, keep in mind that its out of the graciousness of ED's hearts that they even released an upgrade (at a discount) to begin with. Most companies don't do so. If you don't want the upgrade, then buy the full version. I will be a bit petty with you here about ED requires BS1 in bold red: "The "DCS: Black Shark 2" upgrade requires "DCS: Black Shark"!" you can understand from that many things, like a logical thing which is - I own it and I have the serial to prove it. not that I must install it again, activate it, and only then be permitted to install the upgrade, while all that time I have to keep BS1 safe and installed for the next time I want to change OS or hardware and do the routine all over again. There are many ways in this matter, to keep the clients happy in a clever way (ED suppose to be clever, I think) and not bug them with ancient methods of "prove me you bought it once from me" stuff. If ED wants to, they can deliver, I promise you that. Callsign SETUP
narfnarf Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 not that I must install it again, activate it, and only then be permitted to install the upgrade, while all that time I have to keep BS1 safe and installed for the next time I want to change OS or hardware and do the routine all over again. You are aware that you can deinstall BS1 after BS2 is installed? There is no need to keep it. There is no real gain in keeping it regarding precious BS1 activations. I have to go to this procedure to. While I'd love to have a full BS2 key (didn't thought my purchase through) it is about 5 minutes each BS2-Upgrade installation needs more (excluding the download). I can post faster, but only barely :-)
luza Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 This is a valid point, it's a pain in the neck for people running DCS on a SSD that has limited space, and simply deleting BS1 after installation is almost never a real option since you almost have to do a fresh reinstall every patch (Lately). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
cichlidfan Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 This is a valid point, it's a pain in the neck for people running DCS on a SSD that has limited space, and simply deleting BS1 after installation is almost never a real option since you almost have to do a fresh reinstall every patch (Lately). Do not install it on your SSD!! :doh: ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
narfnarf Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 This is a valid point, it's a pain in the neck for people running DCS on a SSD that has limited space, and simply deleting BS1 after installation is almost never a real option since you almost have to do a fresh reinstall every patch (Lately). You do need BS1 for autoupdates? That is really interesting as I didn't and I use the same installation since the autoupdater was introduced, so quite a few updates were applied... Again: There is no need to keep BS1 installed. If you like to keep it installed, for whatever reason one might imagine, install it on a real HDD instead your SSD´, as already stated by others.
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