Out of intrest, which country operated this type of Huey

[Cowboy10uk]

Hi guys, I was wondering just out of intrest, which country operated the UH-1H in this configuration. The things that are on my mind is primarly the front gun pods and the upturned exhaust.

 

Certainly most pictures I can find, show the weapon systems attached to the rear of the doors with the guns attached next to the rockets, and all the aircraft seem to have straight exhausts. Please don't think I'm trying to say its wrong, as I'm not. I may love the Huey but there have been so many variants that any configuration is possible.

 

I'm just intreaged by the positioning of the weapon systems that's all. I have found a couple of photos that match this setup, but from what I can find they are limited to the Australian bushrangers.

 

I was just wondering, if this aircraft is a amalgamation of several photos, or based on a actual aircraft and also which era is it meant to be based. Vietnam era or more modern.

 

Again, I'm not complaining, I love what you have done, just my own curiosity.

 

Cowboy10uk

[Ham Sandwich]

According to wikipedia, Canada's CH-118s were UH-1Hs. They were in service until 1995, with the last examples serving in the SAR role. They were replaced in the tactical role by twin hueys, which were replaced by Griffins (B-412s).

 

http://www.canadianwings.com/Aircraft/aircraftDetail.php?IROQUOIS-168

 

[AlphaOneSix]

It looks like the ones in the game were modeled after the Australian "Bushranger" variant:

 

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/UH-1_Bushranger

 

Much more info and pics available if you just search for something like "australian uh-1 bushranger".

 

EDIT: Looks like you already figured out the whole Bushranger thing. As far as I can tell, that's the only variant that ever had the weapons in that configuration.

Edited April 22, 2013 by AlphaOneSix

[TimeKilla]

British Army Huey don't know how many they are probley just for moving high ranking officers around. :megalol:

 

 

 

Edited April 22, 2013 by TimeKilla

[pbishop]

The H and D model are essentially the same on the exterior and air-frame, that being said.... Here we will try to explain the confusion with the configs and exhaust.

 

The exhaust was originally not a stock part of the aircraft. It was added later on a very small portion of the total number of D/H's ever produced (mostly US aircraft, but has made its way to other countries on some aircraft) to hide the IR signature from the exhaust. Almost all D/H's have or had the straight exhaust. It was never designed as a part of the original exhaust, and foreign sales did not have this attached (originally). But, almost all american army D's and H's were equipped with it at one point or another.

 

As for the weapons config, the US, Australia, and S.Vietnamese used this type of config. There was at an earlier point in time, a vast selection of configurations that could be mounted to the Huey, mostly the B and C variant and later the E, but the D and H were equally capable. In history they probably carried a vast assortment of loadouts, but today, not many countries use this noisy and slow bird as a gunship (A,B,C,D,H,E etc..). Hardly any D/H model ever carried anything that resembled that after the Vietnam war, regardless of country. N models (twin huey) and newer Y and 412EP (Canada's Version) were never built to carry the older types of armaments as seen in DCS-Huey. I don't know of any country that still uses this configuration on the old and outdated D/H models. So the one in game does not openly or commonly exist in that form other than as a slick.

 

As for the comments on the Canadian 212 (or better known ch-135 twin huey), the 212 is the N model. The newer Ch-146 Griffon is a heavily upgraded version of the 412, the 412EP. It really isn't the same aircraft. The Huey family tree is a complicated one, but its universal capabilities are unmatched

Edited April 23, 2013 by pbishop

[jay43]

Phillipines still use them not sure which type but last year spoted a few buzzin in and out of the PMA as well as one stationed at Bagio city airport.

Next time I speak to my Father in law i'll get him to take some pics he is very good friends with the general.

[AlphaOneSix]

As for the comments on the Canadian 412 (or better known ch-135 twin huey), the 412 is the N model. The newer Ch-146 Griffon is a heavily upgraded version of the 412, the 412EP. It really isn't the same aircraft. The Huey family tree is a complicated one, but its universal capabilities are unmatched.

 

N-model (CH-135) is a Bell 212.

CH-146 is a Bell 412EP as you already mentioned.

[pbishop]

N-model (CH-135) is a Bell 212.

CH-146 is a Bell 412EP as you already mentioned.

 

Very true, lost in my thoughts. Thanks for correcting that, I will edit my post with the correction. I had to edit this post as well and laugh as I have the model and the tag under it sitting on my desk.

Edited April 23, 2013 by pbishop

[Cowboy10uk]

Thank you for the info guys, very intresting stuff. Like I said in my first post, I was just intreaged by the configuration on our Huey. While I do love the Huey, I will admit that my knowledge is limited to Vietnam books and pictures only. Damn I only saw one in the flesh for the first time a few years ago.

 

Thanks guys for your efforts, I really enjoyed reading all your posts. :thumbup:

 

Cowboy10uk

[J7G]

We still use them down here but only with the M60 (rarely) pintle. I suspect this particular one is a mash up of a bunch of different types. This doesn't worry me, personally.

[Lt.Seahawk]

We do (Germany) use the Huey (D) Model but only for transportation of military personnel such as small infantry groups and special forces. The only side mounted machine gun we use is operated by the crew chief and door gunners and are MG3s. Btw I'm currently sitting in one chilling in the sun and waiting for the pilots to arrive, as always they're late...

 

About to do a test run of the engine...

[Sundowner.pl]

I was just wondering, if this aircraft is a amalgamation of several photos, or based on a actual aircraft and also which era is it meant to be based. Vietnam era or more modern.

To my knowledge such configuration is an amalgamation of what could theoretically be put together. Overall setup is similar to the RAAF Bushranger, but there are some differences:

- Non of the Bushrangers I saw had both upturned exhaust, and RWR mounts on the nose;

- The miniguns have no gimbal - they are fixed, and zeroed with the FFARs.

 

 

You just don't want to have anything moving into the rocket flightpath :smilewink:

 

- There is no "pentagraph" sight for the co-pilot, but both crew members have the M60 reflex sight.

[GriffonBR]

Here in Brazil, we call the Hueys as BigFrog (Sapão in PortugueseBR), there are many roles for them in Brazil Air Force but now they use are using the Mi-35 Hind for CAS and commandos transport.

 

Here a picture of one of the many configurations that the Army does.

 

The old paint scheme

 

Nowadays, the BigFrog´s are been replaced by the UH-60 BlackHawks, we donate some Hueys to the Paraguay Army.

Edited April 23, 2013 by GriffonBR

[hassata]

RJAF

 

http://www.fightercontrol.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=34198

[Dave317]

Are we likely to get the version with twin m60 flex guns either side aswell?

[thaisocom]

It's still the back bone of troop operation support here in Thailand. Our army still operate the type for various missions, although special forces support now handled by Black Hawks. Our air force also operate the type for CSAR role, but will replace it by EC725 soon.

 

Photo Cr. Frem Peeratchai & Sutee Thareewiat

[Napa]

Here in Cyprus our Police force uses the Bell 412EP and the Augusta Westland AW139. Our army uses the Mi-35. We could sure use the UH-1H too in the armed forces.

[Crashmo]

That Exhaust

 

 

The exhaust was originally not a stock part of the aircraft. It was added later on a very small portion of the total number of D/H's ever produced (mostly US aircraft, but has made its way to other countries on some aircraft) to hide the IR signature from the exhaust. Almost all D/H's have or had the straight exhaust. It was never designed as a part of the original exhaust, and foreign sales did not have this attached (originally). But, almost all american army D's and H's were equipped with it at one point or another.

 

 

I first saw the upturned exhaust on the Cobras, which didn't get to country (Vietnam) until 1967ish. He's right about hiding the IR signature--specifically, shootdowns by Strella missiles. So, it was called the Strella conversion.

 

Credit to Lou Drendel for the following:

[kefuddle]

I still see them flying over Ho Chi Minh City, but with with a yellow star on the side :) The Vietnamese Air Force has a sizable fleet at Tan Son Nhat alongside Russian built transports and gunships.

Edited June 26, 2013 by kefuddle