SAM77 Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Hi guys need some opinions on this new build. Looking at 3570k 8GB G Skill Sniper Asus Maximus Gene Questions Should I wait for haswell and prepare myself for bugs and problems or go with the tried n true Ivy platform???? From reading forums 8GB seems adequate. Is this still true??? All other components will be made up from the old PC. I got a new psu already. No sli n no crossfire. PC only used for gaming and music production.. Your thoughts much appreciated. My thinking is to wait for Haswell to drop prices on the Ivy CPU n mobo. Thanks in advance Spoiler Intel i7 14700F | 64GB G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB | MSI RTX 4060 Gaming X 8G | WD Black SN770 2TB | Sound Blaster Audigy RX | MSI B760 Tomahawk WIFI | Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS Flight Pack | TrackIR 5 | Windows 11 Home |
HiJack Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Hasswell is designed with portable in mind. Go for i7 3770K. Or even i5 will do.
TZeer Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Haswell is coming out in less than week. If it's not urgent, I would wait for benchmarks, then decide.
SAM77 Posted June 6, 2013 Author Posted June 6, 2013 Ok having seen some reviews its a bit hazy whether I should go for a haswell setup. Using parts in my sig I need to build a new gaming/music production system. I don't plan on overclocking right away but i do intend to at some point. I have three options, just need some help deciding. 1. i5 3570k 8GB G Skill Sniper Asus Maximus Gene -----> $650 2. i5 3570k 8GB G Skill Sniper MSI Z77 G45 Gaming ---> $590 3. i5 4670k 8GB G Skill Sniper Asus Maximus Hero -----> $740 There is new case included in the prices for each option. Spoiler Intel i7 14700F | 64GB G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB | MSI RTX 4060 Gaming X 8G | WD Black SN770 2TB | Sound Blaster Audigy RX | MSI B760 Tomahawk WIFI | Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS Flight Pack | TrackIR 5 | Windows 11 Home |
TZeer Posted June 6, 2013 Posted June 6, 2013 If price is not an option, I would get the Haswell. It is the newest CPU, and the fastest of them.
SAM77 Posted June 6, 2013 Author Posted June 6, 2013 Looking at the haswell price I thought what if I tried a 3770k. 1. i7 3770k 8GB G Skill Sniper MSI Z77 G45 Gaming ---> $700 2. i7 3770k 8GB G Skill Sniper Asus Maximus Gene -----> $760 for around the same price as a haswell rig I can get a 3770k system. What do you think???? Should I still go for the haswell or pony up a lil bit and stick with Ivy????? Spoiler Intel i7 14700F | 64GB G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB | MSI RTX 4060 Gaming X 8G | WD Black SN770 2TB | Sound Blaster Audigy RX | MSI B760 Tomahawk WIFI | Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS Flight Pack | TrackIR 5 | Windows 11 Home |
Napa Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) I'm always insusceptible with brand new tech. Haswell is completely brand new, a 4th generation Intel core as opposed to the 3rd gen Ivy bridge. Ivy Bridge is basically the same tech as Sandy bridge, squeezed down to a 22nm die, more refined and tweaked for faster performance, stability and lower energy consumption. I guess we'll have to wait and see the income from this Haswell after release but I don't expect much difference. Edit: You can always read the reviews and make up your mind http://www.guru3d.com/articles_summary/core_i7_4770k_review.html Edited June 7, 2013 by Innerloop Intel i7 12700k / Corsair H150i Elite Capellix / Asus TUF Z690 Wifi D4 / Corsair Dominator 32GB 3200Mhz / Corsair HW1000W / 1x Samsung SSD 970 Evo Plus 500Gb + 1 Corsair MP600 1TB / ASUS ROG Strix RTX 3080 OC V2 / Fractal Design Meshify 2 / HOTAS Warthog / TFRP Rudder / TrackIR 5 / Dell U2515h 25" Monitor 1440p
HiJack Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 If you are on Ivy there is no point in upgrading to Haswell as it gives around 5% increase in some rendering speed. The upgrade will also quickly add up to $1500,- if you must change PSU and memory. There is no point in keeping some old slow memory chips and change the CPU.
SAM77 Posted June 8, 2013 Author Posted June 8, 2013 I'm on nothing at the moment. It was a core2duo system. just wondering if its worth it for the i7 3770k. Right now I'm thinking no point going for haswell. Its down to a 3570k or 3770k With the 100 buck difference I don't know if its worth it for DCS. Does the extra cache come in handy for DCS?????? Am I better of just going for the 3570k n using the $100 for a WiFi module n msata ssd??? Spoiler Intel i7 14700F | 64GB G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB | MSI RTX 4060 Gaming X 8G | WD Black SN770 2TB | Sound Blaster Audigy RX | MSI B760 Tomahawk WIFI | Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS Flight Pack | TrackIR 5 | Windows 11 Home |
HiJack Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 If you are building a new system then go Haswell. The CPU is a new generation and there are performance gain over Ivy and Sandy but not in big chunks.
jctrnacty Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 If you want my advice, skip this piece of cr..p. Go for 3570K or old SB 2570K. better temperatures, better OC. Haswell is a big disapointment for everyone, epsecially for PC enthusiasists and PC builders. [sigpic][/sigpic] MB MSI x570 Prestige Creation, RYzen 9 3900X, 32 Gb Ram 3333MHz, cooler Dark rock PRO 4, eVGA 1080Ti, 32 inch BenQ 32011pt, saitek X52Pro, HP Reverb, win 10 64bit
SAM77 Posted June 11, 2013 Author Posted June 11, 2013 Thank you!!! I think I will go for the 3570k. I have been thinking about motherboards. I'm leaning towards the MSI gaming board and will probably get it unless someone has compelling reasons for me to choose the Asus gene 5. Thank you guys for your input. Spoiler Intel i7 14700F | 64GB G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB | MSI RTX 4060 Gaming X 8G | WD Black SN770 2TB | Sound Blaster Audigy RX | MSI B760 Tomahawk WIFI | Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS Flight Pack | TrackIR 5 | Windows 11 Home |
jctrnacty Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 (edited) If you want my second advice for mobo :-) go for Z77 power from MSI, best mobo i ve ever had and i had a lot of them :-) Choose a good thermal paste i use cheap cooler and its working great. If you want best cooler choose noctua. Edited June 11, 2013 by jctrnacty [sigpic][/sigpic] MB MSI x570 Prestige Creation, RYzen 9 3900X, 32 Gb Ram 3333MHz, cooler Dark rock PRO 4, eVGA 1080Ti, 32 inch BenQ 32011pt, saitek X52Pro, HP Reverb, win 10 64bit
SAM77 Posted June 11, 2013 Author Posted June 11, 2013 I'm hearing you on the mpower. But I like the dragon plus the reviews seem favourable for the gaming board. I already have a noctua. Been spending some time cleaning it up. Pain in the neck getting the grime off those fins. Hopefully I can get it all setup by mid next week. It's been over a month now with no PC. Getting tired using a smartphone for the internet. Spoiler Intel i7 14700F | 64GB G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB | MSI RTX 4060 Gaming X 8G | WD Black SN770 2TB | Sound Blaster Audigy RX | MSI B760 Tomahawk WIFI | Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS Flight Pack | TrackIR 5 | Windows 11 Home |
jctrnacty Posted June 14, 2013 Posted June 14, 2013 A month without PC would kill me :-) Tell us how satisfied you are with your new rig [sigpic][/sigpic] MB MSI x570 Prestige Creation, RYzen 9 3900X, 32 Gb Ram 3333MHz, cooler Dark rock PRO 4, eVGA 1080Ti, 32 inch BenQ 32011pt, saitek X52Pro, HP Reverb, win 10 64bit
D4n Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 5770 is quite out of date today, I recommend a 2nd one (Crossfire) or a new one... ;) DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
porky_pig Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) If you want my advice, skip this piece of cr..p. Go for 3570K or old SB 2570K. better temperatures, better OC. Haswell is a big disapointment for everyone, epsecially for PC enthusiasists and PC builders. Not for me, Ive had nothing but great results from overclocking my 4770k. Had mine up to 4.8ghz on air this weekend, testing it out. Hell I managed to get a 40% increase in FPS and 80% decrease in blurries in FSX, and thats saying something. Not sure where you get that info from...dont think that most people realize that Intel has stated the max temps this chip can attain before going apeshit is 105c. You overclock it right, your temps wont exceed 85c at 4.5ghz. Sandy and Ivy Bridges didnt allow you to overclock the bclk, only the multiplier. Its the bclk that people should be overclocking first on Haswell, not the multipliers. Edited June 17, 2013 by porky_pig
StoOopiD Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 don't believe the hype, go AMD. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Crosshair VIII hero wifi, 3800x w/ Enermax 360 AIO cooler (push-pull), 32gigs DDR4 Ripjaws 3600, Win 10 home on a Plextor PCI-E x4 3gb/s HD, EVGA 2070 Super FTW3 ultra+, Soundblaster Z Rift S, M$FFB2, CH Pro throttle, Saitek pedals BS2, A10C, P51D, SPITFIRE, FC3, Uh-1H, F86, Mi-8MTV2, SA342, MIG21-bis, AV8BNA, F14, F16, FA-18C, SUPERCARRIER
pacotito Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 don't believe the hype, go AMD. Or the gaming benchmarks. Probably not the reviews either. Although battlefield 4 is supposed to be optimized for AMD and most console ports should be as well. Pacotito I7-5820k@4.5 Z99 extreme4 16gb ddr4 520gb ssd. Gigabyte ssc GTX960 SSC 4gb
StoOopiD Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Or the gaming benchmarks. Probably not the reviews either. Although battlefield 4 is supposed to be optimized for AMD and most console ports should be as well. The real question here is... How much are u willing to pay for a nano second? $100? $200?.... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Crosshair VIII hero wifi, 3800x w/ Enermax 360 AIO cooler (push-pull), 32gigs DDR4 Ripjaws 3600, Win 10 home on a Plextor PCI-E x4 3gb/s HD, EVGA 2070 Super FTW3 ultra+, Soundblaster Z Rift S, M$FFB2, CH Pro throttle, Saitek pedals BS2, A10C, P51D, SPITFIRE, FC3, Uh-1H, F86, Mi-8MTV2, SA342, MIG21-bis, AV8BNA, F14, F16, FA-18C, SUPERCARRIER
pacotito Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 (edited) 220 for i5-3570k 240 for i5-4670k vs 180 for fx-8150 or 200 for fx-8350 plus motherboard of course. Not much price difference anymore. I used to use AMD until my current build and dont plan to go back anytime soon. Edited June 18, 2013 by pacotito Pacotito I7-5820k@4.5 Z99 extreme4 16gb ddr4 520gb ssd. Gigabyte ssc GTX960 SSC 4gb
StoOopiD Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 is there any difference? really [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Crosshair VIII hero wifi, 3800x w/ Enermax 360 AIO cooler (push-pull), 32gigs DDR4 Ripjaws 3600, Win 10 home on a Plextor PCI-E x4 3gb/s HD, EVGA 2070 Super FTW3 ultra+, Soundblaster Z Rift S, M$FFB2, CH Pro throttle, Saitek pedals BS2, A10C, P51D, SPITFIRE, FC3, Uh-1H, F86, Mi-8MTV2, SA342, MIG21-bis, AV8BNA, F14, F16, FA-18C, SUPERCARRIER
porky_pig Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Differences are night and day between Intel and AMD. About the only thing AMD surpasses Intel on are float point processing. You have twice as much processing power in Intel processors against AMD at a minimum. I honestly cant wait until AMD finally gets their act back together, but the only thing AMD has going for them now are the ATi cards.
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