Haswell released today

[_Dredd]

Guess it depends on your rails and total load. You can always grab a power meter between the mains and power lead to measure what load your hitting.

 

Then again for cost of measuring, it could have gone towards few hundred more watts in power :)

[cichlidfan]

Guess it depends on your rails and total load. You can always grab a power meter between the mains and power lead to measure what load your hitting.

 

Then again for cost of measuring, it could have gone towards few hundred more watts in power :)

 

More watts does not make for a better PSU. Why not get a unit that will properly handle the full load you wish, than one that is rated way over your needs so that it can handle the load you expect?

 

The difference between a Gold and Bronze rated PSU has nothing to do with their rated wattage.

[SkateZilla]

PSU and APC/UPS are the most important parts...

 

Bad PSU or no APC/UPS = Power Problems = Dirty Power = Spikes and Dips = Fried Equipment.

 

My Old PC lasted 8 years now, and its still running (a bit clogged due to old hardware specs, but it runs flawlessly still), Older Builds in the late 90s early 2000s didnt last nearly as long, difference? i started running behind APC Units and Quality PSUs.

 

Bronze Silver Gold Platinum Ratings pertain to how much power the PSU Wastes.

 

however, the differences between teh AX and TX Corsair PSUs is more than their 80Plus Rating. Quality of components and stuff.

Edited June 7, 2013 by SkateZilla

[_Dredd]

More watts does not make for a better PSU. Why not get a unit that will properly handle the full load you wish, than one that is rated way over your needs so that it can handle the load you expect?

 

The difference between a Gold and Bronze rated PSU has nothing to do with their rated wattage.

 

Eh? So back it up, give me something to agree on.

 

Edit: ok, sorry its late and I read this too quick. 80 plus is based on effiency. I didn't dispute that fact?

Single rails, multi rails, .. Max load, more compenents, more power. So more is better for future proofing no? If yo uhave the highest efficiency you still win with less heat and power costs, unless of course if your eating it all up.

Edited June 7, 2013 by _Dredd

[HiJack]

Once again, I have to ask...why after all the money in this, did you choose to save $50 and get a Bronze rated PSU?

The one I wanted was not in stock.

Corsair AX 860 PSU - ATX 12V V2.31, 80 Plus Platinum, Modular, 6x 6+2-pin PCIe, 12x SATA, 8x Molex

 

Will it be a problem?

[_Dredd]

The one I wanted was not in stock.

Corsair AX 860 PSU - ATX 12V V2.31, 80 Plus Platinum, Modular, 6x 6+2-pin PCIe, 12x SATA, 8x Molex

 

Will it be a problem?

 

Not unless you hit max load.

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page2679.htm

[HiJack]

OK. I dont think I'm going over the 50% load. I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks for the info.

 

EDIT: I run fine on a 650 PSU today but got instability when overclocking my GPU so this may be the problem. Thats why I wanted a 850 in the firstplace. I located a shop next door who have some PSU's in stock :D

Edited June 7, 2013 by HiJack

[_Dredd]

You can grab a power consumption meter for $20? so you can see at the wall what your system is eating under load.

[porky_pig]

OK. First few flights in DCS on this Haswell seem to fair out pretty good so far. I have the fps capped at 30, and it pretty much stayed there with or without FRAPS recording. Did a fast test in the Huey on the gunnery range, and the only time the fps dropped below 25 was when a tank exploded - and I just happened to be right next to it. Wasnt much of an improvement, as I regularly had 30fps capped with the 2600k, but it didnt stutter as much with FRAPS running. In FSX I saw a HUGE difference, and this tells me that DCS is more GPU driven than I once thought it was..

[HiJack]

What CPU and what clock are you running porky pig?

[porky_pig]

:thumbup:

What CPU and what clock are you running porky pig?

 

 

New rig looks like:

Haswell 4770k

Asus Sabertooth z87

Corsair H100i

16gb Corsair Vengeance DDR3 12800

eVGA GTX680 4096

Corsair tx750 psu

OCZ Agility 3 SSD

3x WD Black in RAID-0

 

[159th_Falcon]

And you have to cap your FPS at 30 whit that rig? :shocking:

 

Better be running some insane graphic settings. Otherwise i may just as well

stick whit my Phenom II.:joystick:

[porky_pig]

And you have to cap your FPS at 30 whit that rig? :shocking:

 

Better be running some insane graphic settings. Otherwise i may just as well

stick whit my Phenom II.:joystick:

Id rather have a smooth flight than a stuttering one, and 60fps or more starts to hurt my eyes for some reason. I locked it at 30fps, but Ill test it later at higher fps and see if it helped much.

[EtherealN]

And you have to cap your FPS at 30 whit that rig? :shocking:

 

Better be running some insane graphic settings. Otherwise i may just as well

stick whit my Phenom II.:joystick:

 

The human eye (well, technically, it's more the brain) sometimes reacts more strongly to changes than constants*.

 

This means that FPS that varies between 40 and 80 will look less fluid than a steady 30.

 

Yes, forget the FPS cult. ;)

 

(*EDIT: I recently read a research paper that indicated that there was actually an IQ component here as well, where our ability to find patterns and changes of an "intellectual" nature would also make us "ignorant" of large-scale patterns and changes. I'm not a neuroscientist, so I won't extrapolate too much, but just make the point that all our brains work slightly differently, so it should be expected that some of us are more sensitive to the changes in FPS while others might be more sensitive to the constant. As for who might be correlated to which IQ quartile... I don't know wnough about the field to even try, though since I react stronger to changes in FPS than constant, and do know my IQ, I might be predisposed to a specific interpretation - but that would be my own confirmation bias where I actually could just be an exception :P )

Edited June 8, 2013 by EtherealN

[159th_Falcon]

Lol, i know gentleman. I have actually been suggesting people to lock there fps at 30.

 

What i am curious about though is what that rig is capable off if you don't cap the fps.

Cause i am looking to buy an new PC but i find it quite hard to find out if i should get;

I5

I7

Hasswel (igpu which will be useless for my pc)

Sandy bridge (or whatever the name is of the 3770(k))

 

Always been AMD fanboy so not to familiar whit the Intel side of things.

[porky_pig]

Lol, i know gentleman. I have actually been suggesting people to lock there fps at 30.

 

What i am curious about though is what that rig is capable off if you don't cap the fps.

Cause i am looking to buy an new PC but i find it quite hard to find out if i should get;

I5

I7

Hasswel (igpu which will be useless for my pc)

Sandy bridge (or whatever the name is of the 3770(k))

 

Always been AMD fanboy so not to familiar whit the Intel side of things.

Well, I was just in the aerobatic servers this evening with about 25 other people puttering around in the Huey, and I averaged no less than 45fps with the fps cap removed. Not much of an improvement in DCS, but in FSX it was a massive improvement -literally- night and day difference between Sandy Bridge 2600k and Haswell 4770k...close to a 40% increase in performance. Im not even overclocked yet, and Im just blown away right now with how much of a difference this thing is. Best upgrade Ive made in a long time...I daresay even the cheapest. I didnt keep the H100i cooler, and I did sell my old motherboard and processor, and after everything was said and done, this upgrade only cost me 300 bucks.

Edited June 9, 2013 by porky_pig

[HiJack]

Lol, i know gentleman. I have actually been suggesting people to lock there fps at 30.

 

What i am curious about though is what that rig is capable off if you don't cap the fps.

Cause i am looking to buy an new PC but i find it quite hard to find out if i should get;

I5

I7

Hasswel (igpu which will be useless for my pc)

Sandy bridge (or whatever the name is of the 3770(k))

 

Always been AMD fanboy so not to familiar whit the Intel side of things.

 

I advice you to read the info on 4th generation CPU before deciding Falcon. Ivy and Sandy are 3rd generation. Haswell is 4th. But you will need a new motherboard to gain the advantages of the 4th gen. Take a close look at the Asus z87 user manual, or some other motherboard befor you buy. My rig will be finished tomorrow I hope :)

[159th_Falcon]

Ah, thank's for the info Gentlemen.

Was aware that hasswell is new generation though, but all reviews indicated only a 5% average performance increase on the CPU side of things.

 

But if i understand Porky-pig right he has had an performance increase of about 40 percent over Sandy bridge. (different model cpu's though)

 

So yeah, that's good to hear.

Guess i'm going to gather some more information on how hot the Haswell seems to be running on air.

Early reports seem to indicate there running a bit on the hot side once you start overclocking.

 

HiJack, would you mind posting your rig specs whit a short summary as to why you chose the setup?

(bet money had something to do whit it:D)

[Axion]

Also cap my frames at 30 FPS (1/2 refresh rate), for some reason it seems a lot smoother than the std vsync of 60 FPS. Very noticeable stutter when frames drop below 60 FPS or not at refresh rate, don't no why?

 

Doubt Haswell can provide a significant performance boost over my OC Sandy in DCS? Loved to be proved wrong though.

[porky_pig]

They arent kidding when they say get a damn good HSF / watercooling for overclocking this processor. @4.5ghz, 1.3v, 95c under load in Prime95. Hey...at least its stable! Might invest in a water cooler kit in the immediate future to deal with this...but for now, 4.2ghz is fine with me @ 70c.

[Pilotasso]

I wonder if AMD might make a comeback due to this low performance upgrade and heat spreader disaster. Something similar happened when intel was on overheating lacklustre Pentium 4's...

[pacotito]

From what I've read you can delid the CPU and reapply some good tim and get a 20 degree(or so)drop in temps.

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1397672/deliding-a-4770k-haswell-improving-temperatures-and-maximizing-overclockablity

[159th_Falcon]

From what I've read you can delid the CPU and reapply some good tim and get a 20 degree(or so)drop in temps.

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1397672/deliding-a-4770k-haswell-improving-temperatures-and-maximizing-overclockablity

 

Even then your still getting 75C orso overclocked on air.

Which is way to hot still.

(using porky_pig's data as reference here)

[porky_pig]

Even then your still getting 75C orso overclocked on air.

Which is way to hot still.

(using porky_pig's data as reference here)

Well, according to RealTempGT, it can go as high as 100c without any fear of damage. 75c is my personal limit, as this is something Im used to since Nehalem came out on the market.

[Wichid]

I upgraded to the haswell 4770k from an old i7 950 nahalem.

 

My old one was 3.9ghZ and with no overclocking the new one beats the pants off it.

 

I've upped my new cpu to about 4.3GHZ and it's a nice improvement over that. I don't think there's much need to overclock it though.

 

People going from more recent CPU's might not see the need but its a great improvement for me.

 

Oh I also got an ASUS Sabortooth MB with it =)