F-14A vs F-15I

[blackadam]

Hello comrades Iran, I have a question as we all know.The present time only about possible conflicts between Israel and Iran, so as far as I know, the F-14A is still the backbone of the Iranian army, but old electronic system (which may haveupgraded by Russia), but maneuverability almost Su-27 (ie more than the F-15I) and long-range missiles AIM-54 phoenix.Sure would be a real threat to the F-15I of the Israel !

 

 

PERFORMANCE of Grumman F-14A Tomcat

 

Wing span: 19,45 m. (wings forward)

 

Wing span: 11,65 m. (wings swept)

 

Length: 19,10 m.

 

Height: 4,88 m.

 

Max. speed: Mach 2.34 (2517 km/h, 1564 mph.)

 

Empty weight: 39,310 lbs.(17830 kg.)

 

Max. weight: 74,348 lbs.(33724 kg.)

 

Power plant: two Pratt & Whitney TF30-P-414 afterburning turbofans

 

Thrust: 14,000 lbs.(6350 kg.) each

 

With Afterburner: 20,900 lbs.(9480 kg.) each

 

Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61 Vulcan Gatling Gun, with 675 rounds

Hardpoints: 10 total: 6× under-fuselage, 2× under nacelles and 2× on wing gloves with a capacity of 14,500 lb (6,600 kg) of ordnance and fuel tanks

 

Missiles: Air-to-air missiles: AIM-54 Phoenix, AIM-7 Sparrow, AIM-9 Sidewinder. Or amended with R-27, MIM-23

 

 

PERFORMANCE of Grumman F-15I

 

Primary Role

 

- Tandem seat attack plane

 

Dimensions

 

Wingspan: 13.5 m

Length: 19.43 m

Height: 5.63 m

 

Capabilities

 

Maximum speed: Mach 2.5 at high altitude,

1,482 kph at low altitude

Range: 4,450 km

 

Weight

 

Empty: 14,379 kg

Max. loaded: 36,750 kg

 

Power Plant

 

- 2 Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 engines with a max. thrust of 29,000 lb. each

 

Weapons

 

- 20 mm. 6 barrelled cannon at wing root. Air-to air missiles: Python 3, Python 4, Sidewinder, Sparrow and AMRAAM. Varied air-to-ground missiles and guided bombs.

Total carry load capacity: up to 11 tons

 

 

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I would go with the Iranian F-14A + IL-76 AEW and AIM-54. IAI Phalcon AEW + F-15I and the AIM-120 will also be a threat.But AIM-120 as far as I know the lower range of the phoenix. We are talking about BVR, and Dogfight, depending on the level of the pilot, I do not know F15I the maneuver with specific numbers?

 

 



 

[agrasyuk]

i seem to miss what is exactly the question that you have. or topic of discussion? are we making bets? if so i will go with Israelis, they are quite consistent last few decades in flying to wherever they please and destroying whatever is down there.

[Weta43]

i seem to miss what is exactly the question that you have. or topic of discussion? are we making bets? if so i will go with Israelis, they are quite consistent last few decades in flying to wherever they please and destroying whatever is down there.

 

True, though when imposing their view of the new world order they've tended to be punching some fairly light weights with heavy weight American arms...

 

Can't see how Iran would keep their F-14's in a state that would count as a stiffer opponent in an air war than the last few countries Israel has taken on though...

[Krebs20]

It would have to do more with tactics than equipment. Both airframes have there faults and strengths. Both aircraft in the right hands are very maneuverable.

 

Historically, Iran has used its F14s as a kind of Airborne radar station. Its powerful radar would help locate targets and it would call in other aircraft to take out the threat. It would not play a role in front line combat. Its too valuable to loose.

Not to mention that if the Aim-54 was intended for fleet defense against high flying bombers launching cruse missiles. A F15 is a much harder target that a Tu95. The F14A also has some engine issues. This was solved with the A+ models and newer. But Iran's F14s would still have this fault.

On the plus side. The F-14 has an amazing loiter time. I don't mean range. I mean how long can it stay up in the air and not refuel. It was designed to sit 150 miles away from a carrier and make sure nothing passed it. It was made to keep aircraft from approaching the carrier group. 2 pilots provide 4 eyes to scan the sky. Always a plus.

 

The F15I is a proven fighter with the Israel air force. The Israel pilots are some of the best trained in the world and combat tested. The F15 was made to go into enemy territory, find air targets defending it, and destroy them. It was made to hunt aircraft like the F14.

 

Do to training and support. I would bet on the Israels every time. Iran's airforce is too underfunded to keep its pilots and crew to a level necessary for any major conflict.

[RIPTIDE]

I would say the AIM-54 is severely compromised at this stage, unless they got something else made from Agat in Russia (Radar equipment).... which is nothing to be sure of.

[FanBoy2006.01]

I would put my money on the F-15 I. Most likely more modern avionics than Iranian F-14 A.

 

Israel is one of the world leaders in ECM. Does Iran have any thing to counter this?

 

Will Iran be able to utilize the superior range of the AIM-54 in battle?

 

AS Krebs have pointed out:

AIM-120 is designed to deal with fighters. AIM-54 bombers and cruise missiles.

Israel most likely will have the best IR homing missiles.

Iranian pilots are not as well trained as Israeli pilots.

F-15I have more modern avionics.

Israeli aircraft will most likely be better maintained and fewer hour airframes. So less failures.

 

Do any body knows how good the two country's AWACS compare to each other?

 

A big problem for Israel on the other hand, is it's small size. If caught by surprise, fast attack aircraft can very quickly be near strategically important targets.

 

I asked so many questions I think I should finish with:

 

And if so, were ancient aliens involved?

Edited September 6, 2013 by FanBoy2006.01

[Leviathan]

Also when comparing the numbers of aricraft in their respective inventories, it is obvious that the Iranian Air Force has no chance. Israel has superior training quality for pilots and ground crews, superior quantity of (btw higher-quality) aircraft in every branche of aircraft type (multi-role, air-superiority, early warning, logistics).

 

Moreover the comparison of F-15I and F-14A lacks any relevance. Both have different roles (one is a strike fighter, focused on complex bombing missions, the other one is an interceptor/fighter), the F-15I is a modern aircraft, the F-14A is mostly outdated, plus outnumbered. The comparison should be between the F-15 (A-D) Eagle and F-14A (where the F-15 would still be more reliable).

[Pyroflash]

Israel, hands down. Not just because of their F-15's either. The Israeli Air Force is extremely well trained, equipped, and maintained. None of which the Iranians can boast. Additionally, the equipment on Iranian jets cannot hope to match that of the Israeli ones. Even if the F-15I wasn't already ages ahead of the F-14A, Israel has Elbit to thank for some serious advantages in military electronics. Iran has what again?

 

But lets assume that somehow, Iranian pilots become competent enough to enter BFM with the Israelis. In this case, it's not like the F-15I is any pushover. Both aircraft share many of the same advantages, and although technically, the cat would have a better turn radius, the 15 could outpower it by energy. The higher skill of the Israeli pilots basically ensures this. Forget about any BVR engagement. The Iranians would lose before they knew what hit them. The F-15I is probably the next best thing to the F-22A (more likely the F-15J though) when it comes to considering BVR capabilities of modern fighters. The American F-15E's would probably actually be better at it, electronics wise, because of the new -82 RADAR, but this comparison is mute because no F-15E would knowingly go into an air to air engagement if there were any other specialized fighters around (F-16C, F-15C, F-22A, etc.).

Edited September 6, 2013 by Pyroflash

[TimeKilla]

This is slightly on topic being a F-14 is involved I hope some might enjoy it.

 

 

On an early fall afternoon in September, 1987, Vodka 51, an RF-4C, departed Aviano Air Base in Italy bound, for the Mediterranean. Their job that day was to find the US aircraft carrier USS Saratoga. Of course, part of Exercise Display Determination, a joint USAF, USN and NATO exercise, taking place in the Med, was for Navy assets to defend the carrier and stop detection of its location. The search for the carrier and the defense of it, as always, were to occur within the exercise ROE.

 

Vodka 51 was flying a special RF-4 TEREC that day. TEREC, Tactical Electronic Reconnaissance, was the AN/ALQ-125, which enabled detection of electronic beeps and squeaks that could emanate from various sources, one being an aircraft carrier group. That’s how Vodka 51 planned to find the Saratoga.

 

 

USAF RF-4C Phantom II

Photo by Gunter Gronstein​

 

After the flight across Northern Italy and into the Mediterranean, the first order of business for Vodka 51 was to hit a tanker for airborne refueling. Join up and hook up with the tanker was routine and uneventful. While taking gas the RF-4 crew noticed a Navy F-14 had joined on the tanker’s wing. Thinking nothing of it Vodka 51 concentrated on the task and hand and, once topped off, disconnected and left the tanker track to start their search. As they turned away, Vodka noticed the Tomcat did not stay with the tanker but appeared to follow them.

 

Vodka 51 got their TEREC equipment up and running then started their flight search pattern to hunt for the Saratoga. As it seems to happen on occasion, the cosmic stuff decides not to work and, on this day, the TEREC gear failed to operate. However, the RF-4 guys did notice the TACAN channel that was in use on the Saratoga three days prior was up and transmitting. That would allow them to make the briefed intercept of the Saratoga. As the Vodka 51 started down to the intercept altitude they lost sight of the Tomcat. Fifteen minutes after departing the tanker. a massive explosion engulfed the RF-4. Both the pilot and the WSO were able to eject. Although ejection parameters were not ideal, 550Kts, 5500 feet and negative 2.5 G’s, it was better than not getting out at all. All the egress equipment worked as briefed and, once they regained consciousness, they both found themselves under parachute canopies that settled them down to the warm waters of the Mediterranean. Their time in the water was relatively short, 45 minutes. A Navy rescue helicopter picked them up and brought them to the carrier. Vodka 51 had finally found the Saratoga.

 

Once they had been medically checked over and given dry clothes Vodka 51 met with the carrier CO. He asked them if they knew what had happened. When they said they thought they might have had a mid-air with the F-14 that had been following them, the CO said, “No, that F-14 was one of ours and he shot you down.” The WSO’s response was, "I thought we were on the same side sir!" To which the Admiral answered, "Normally we are."

 

 

USN F-14B Tomcat

Photo by Mark Wheless​

 

After departing the tanker, the F-14 had indeed followed Vodka 51. The Tomcat was being flown by a young, Navy LTJG, tactical call sign "Smoke," a player in the exercise, whose task it was to defend the carrier. Apparently, this was going to be quite an atta-boy, quickly eliminating an adversary so early in the exercise It was his luck that day to see the RF-4 come on station and to be able to follow him into the exercise area after refueling. It was also his luck, or misfortune, that day to be flying with live ordinance for Fleet defense when he was re-tasked from that role to participate in the exercise. The F-14 HUD video recorded his call to the carrier asking, within exercise rules, to engage the RF-4. He was given clearance, within exercise rules, to shoot and destroy Vodka 51. On the video you can plainly hear the Navy fighter pilot call up his left missile. You can hear him say everything is good, announce he’s firing the missile and a release cue is displayed. However, the left missile had a motor malfunction and didn't fire. You can hear the pilot is somewhat confused when no missile departed the rail. Next you hear on the HUD video as the Tomcat pilot called up his right missile and announce everything is good. This time when the release cue is displayed you also see the F-14 is inside the Break X signal, that he's 2500 feet behind the RF-4 and the Air Force jet’s Zweibrucken AB, Germany tail flash, ZR, can plainly be seen. Then a live AIM-9 flashes into the HUD field of view and makes its way to the RF-4 where it impacts in front of the tail section resulting in a huge explosion. While all this is going on, you can hear the RIO’s profanity filled screams asking his pilot what has he done. Then starting a rescue effort the RIO transmits, “MAYDAY, MAYDAY MAYDAY, WE'VE JUST SHOT DOWN THE F-4 AT 060/05 FROM MOTHER, NO CHUTES, NO CHUTES, NO CHUTES.”

 

A few interesting side notes.

 

• One of the ROE’s of the exercise was that no participating aircraft were allowed to carry live missiles.
  

 

• The Navy LTJG, when asked later by the accident investigation board, said, yes, indeed, he intended to shoot a live missile. He was not court-martialed but put on non-flying duties and never flew again.
  

 

• This very same LTJG’s father was an active Navy Vice Admiral who, when flying combat missions in Vietnam, accidentally shot down his wingman.
  

 

• The pilot of Vodka 51 has ever since been known as Squidbait. He’s had numerous back surgeries as a result of the Martin-Baker ejection; the most recent, earlier this year, 2008.
  

 

• The accident board determined that Vodka 51 was very lucky to have almost full fuel tanks. Had those fuel tanks been mostly empty, filled with fuel vapors, the explosion would have been much more massive, ripping the RF-4 apart and almost certainly killing the crew.
  

[agrasyuk]

True, though when imposing their view of the new world order they've tended to be punching some fairly light weights with heavy weight American arms...

I wasn't aware that Israelis now dictate "new world order"

I wouldn't call Iraqi reactor WIP a light target. Syrian nuclear mistery installation wasn't very light either (and quite protected by AAA).

As far as equipment they have quite a share of their own technology in their stuff and cooperate with Americans extencively (guess who made that TGP for the warthog).

[maturin]

I wasn't aware that Israelis now dictate "new world order"

Tell me about it. The Israelis aren't interested in any 'order' outside their geographically-limited project of colonialism. Everything is disposable in pursuit of that goal.

 

TimeKilla: I just don't understand that story. WTF is is supposed to mean that he "intended to fire a live missile?" He knew he was shooting at a friendly pilot on the other side of an exercise? Was he a total psychopath?

[Kaktus29]

well, this conversation is useless really.. it frankly doesn't matter.. Israel would strike IF and that is big IF they decide to do so under severe stress since they would have to go around the Red Sea,up the Persian Gulf and back.. need to refuel 3 times and send insane amount of planes with it (EW, Escort, Bombing package,Recon,Escort for Recon)..

 

All of this would happen during the night and possible by using stand-off weapons to hit the targets before even entering Iranian airspace.. so how could F-14 even engage this?.. its not like Israel would declare WAR, then 5 hours later fly to Iran where F-14 might just as well wait for him..

 

Israel cannot for geographical reasons-unless Iraq gives them an airbase(highly unlikely) fight air war against iran.. this is silly notion.. they can perform a terrorist hit and thats that.. one sting..and then iran unleashes 15.000 missiles into tiny israel and demolish it completely(iron dome or no iron dome).. Then US would have to come in to fight Israels war.. we've all seen this game before..and frankly its not amusing,especially if you are US soldier or Iranian/Iraqi one..

[Pilotasso]

The Israelis are sure to possess ELINT on the F-14's for a long time.

 

Also, the TOMCAT's cannot be in good condition for hard manoeuvring. Their structure is very old and prone to collapse if pushed hard.

 

Result: massive technical advantage for the Israelis.

[blackadam]

I would put my money on the F-15 I. Most likely more modern avionics than Iranian F-14 A.

 

Israel is one of the world leaders in ECM. Does Iran have any thing to counter this?

 

Will Iran be able to utilize the superior range of the AIM-54 in battle?

 

AS Krebs have pointed out:

AIM-120 is designed to deal with fighters. AIM-54 bombers and cruise missiles.

Israel most likely will have the best IR homing missiles.

Iranian pilots are not as well trained as Israeli pilots.

F-15I have more modern avionics.

Israeli aircraft will most likely be better maintained and fewer hour airframes. So less failures.

 

Do any body knows how good the two country's AWACS compare to each other?

 

A big problem for Israel on the other hand, is it's small size. If caught by surprise, fast attack aircraft can very quickly be near strategically important targets.

 

I asked so many questions I think I should finish with:

 

And if so, were ancient aliens involved?

 

Iran has missiles, the Russian R-27 missiles and surface-to-air Hawk for F-14, I think they probably also add ECM jamming pod for the F-14A

 

F-15I has an advantage in maneuverability (I heard that the model F-15A / C up to 9G), however F-14A will have 50% wins with Phoenix AIM-54A. In Iran-Iraq wars, an F-14 scored while shot down 3 MiG-23 when they are close together.

 

Radar AN/AWG-9 for AIM-54 & F14A's Iran (the status of the Iranian systems is unknown, but it is believed that they are still in service. AN/AWG-9 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

 

 

F-14D with AWG-9 (F-14A radar also uses the same type, because it's for Phoenix)

 

 

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AWG-9 Radar

 

So with a range to compete with Zaslo,.AWG-9 radar will be the trump card with the AIM-54. F-15I final answer remains no chance of survival (RCS = 15m2).

 

Because TWS (Track-While-Scan for Phoenix missile targeting of up to 24 targets simultaneously within a 2-bar, 40-deg or 4-bar, 20-deg pattern, which yields a 2-sec scan rate) range of AWG-9 is 90 nm (104 miles; 167 km) with target 5-sq m.

 

Thus we have the formula for calculating the distance from the radar to detect the location and scope of the F-15I:

 

167 * (15/5) ^ (1/4) = 219 km

 

Information on the ability to detect targets by how many m2 of radar APG-70 (F-15I) is not specific. So we hardly confirm victory in BVR for F-15I and it is just a PESA radar. Thus F-14's Iran will have two wins in BVR and WVR (with F-15I do not have ECM pod and RWR)

Edited September 7, 2013 by blackadam

[blackadam]

This is slightly on topic being a F-14 is involved I hope some might enjoy it.

 

 

On an early fall afternoon in September, 1987, Vodka 51, an RF-4C, departed Aviano Air Base in Italy bound, for the Mediterranean. Their job that day was to find the US aircraft carrier USS Saratoga. Of course, part of Exercise Display Determination, a joint USAF, USN and NATO exercise, taking place in the Med, was for Navy assets to defend the carrier and stop detection of its location. The search for the carrier and the defense of it, as always, were to occur within the exercise ROE.

 

Vodka 51 was flying a special RF-4 TEREC that day. TEREC, Tactical Electronic Reconnaissance, was the AN/ALQ-125, which enabled detection of electronic beeps and squeaks that could emanate from various sources, one being an aircraft carrier group. That’s how Vodka 51 planned to find the Saratoga.

 

 

USAF RF-4C Phantom II

Photo by Gunter Gronstein​

 

After the flight across Northern Italy and into the Mediterranean, the first order of business for Vodka 51 was to hit a tanker for airborne refueling. Join up and hook up with the tanker was routine and uneventful. While taking gas the RF-4 crew noticed a Navy F-14 had joined on the tanker’s wing. Thinking nothing of it Vodka 51 concentrated on the task and hand and, once topped off, disconnected and left the tanker track to start their search. As they turned away, Vodka noticed the Tomcat did not stay with the tanker but appeared to follow them.

 

Vodka 51 got their TEREC equipment up and running then started their flight search pattern to hunt for the Saratoga. As it seems to happen on occasion, the cosmic stuff decides not to work and, on this day, the TEREC gear failed to operate. However, the RF-4 guys did notice the TACAN channel that was in use on the Saratoga three days prior was up and transmitting. That would allow them to make the briefed intercept of the Saratoga. As the Vodka 51 started down to the intercept altitude they lost sight of the Tomcat. Fifteen minutes after departing the tanker. a massive explosion engulfed the RF-4. Both the pilot and the WSO were able to eject. Although ejection parameters were not ideal, 550Kts, 5500 feet and negative 2.5 G’s, it was better than not getting out at all. All the egress equipment worked as briefed and, once they regained consciousness, they both found themselves under parachute canopies that settled them down to the warm waters of the Mediterranean. Their time in the water was relatively short, 45 minutes. A Navy rescue helicopter picked them up and brought them to the carrier. Vodka 51 had finally found the Saratoga.

 

Once they had been medically checked over and given dry clothes Vodka 51 met with the carrier CO. He asked them if they knew what had happened. When they said they thought they might have had a mid-air with the F-14 that had been following them, the CO said, “No, that F-14 was one of ours and he shot you down.” The WSO’s response was, "I thought we were on the same side sir!" To which the Admiral answered, "Normally we are."

 

 

USN F-14B Tomcat

Photo by Mark Wheless​

 

After departing the tanker, the F-14 had indeed followed Vodka 51. The Tomcat was being flown by a young, Navy LTJG, tactical call sign "Smoke," a player in the exercise, whose task it was to defend the carrier. Apparently, this was going to be quite an atta-boy, quickly eliminating an adversary so early in the exercise It was his luck that day to see the RF-4 come on station and to be able to follow him into the exercise area after refueling. It was also his luck, or misfortune, that day to be flying with live ordinance for Fleet defense when he was re-tasked from that role to participate in the exercise. The F-14 HUD video recorded his call to the carrier asking, within exercise rules, to engage the RF-4. He was given clearance, within exercise rules, to shoot and destroy Vodka 51. On the video you can plainly hear the Navy fighter pilot call up his left missile. You can hear him say everything is good, announce he’s firing the missile and a release cue is displayed. However, the left missile had a motor malfunction and didn't fire. You can hear the pilot is somewhat confused when no missile departed the rail. Next you hear on the HUD video as the Tomcat pilot called up his right missile and announce everything is good. This time when the release cue is displayed you also see the F-14 is inside the Break X signal, that he's 2500 feet behind the RF-4 and the Air Force jet’s Zweibrucken AB, Germany tail flash, ZR, can plainly be seen. Then a live AIM-9 flashes into the HUD field of view and makes its way to the RF-4 where it impacts in front of the tail section resulting in a huge explosion. While all this is going on, you can hear the RIO’s profanity filled screams asking his pilot what has he done. Then starting a rescue effort the RIO transmits, “MAYDAY, MAYDAY MAYDAY, WE'VE JUST SHOT DOWN THE F-4 AT 060/05 FROM MOTHER, NO CHUTES, NO CHUTES, NO CHUTES.”

 

A few interesting side notes.

 

• One of the ROE’s of the exercise was that no participating aircraft were allowed to carry live missiles.
  

 

• The Navy LTJG, when asked later by the accident investigation board, said, yes, indeed, he intended to shoot a live missile. He was not court-martialed but put on non-flying duties and never flew again.
  

 

• This very same LTJG’s father was an active Navy Vice Admiral who, when flying combat missions in Vietnam, accidentally shot down his wingman.
  

 

• The pilot of Vodka 51 has ever since been known as Squidbait. He’s had numerous back surgeries as a result of the Martin-Baker ejection; the most recent, earlier this year, 2008.
  

 

• The accident board determined that Vodka 51 was very lucky to have almost full fuel tanks. Had those fuel tanks been mostly empty, filled with fuel vapors, the explosion would have been much more massive, ripping the RF-4 apart and almost certainly killing the crew.
  

 

Oh thank for help :smilewink:

[RIPTIDE]

Iran has missiles, the Russian R-27 missiles and surface-to-air Hawk for F-14,

Do we really have any evidence that the MIM-23 was transformed into something that would work with the AWG-9? And really with the R-27 aswell??

[dumgrunt]

That story is a great example of what training is meant to produce, regardless of how tired or under the pump you are, you follow procedure for the task at hand. which the pilot did. mixing live ammunition with 'dry' training is always fraught with unnecessary risk.

 

still a great read, thanks for posting it.

[Night]

Blackadam, what you are bringing up is the absolute best case for Iran. But in reality, Iran has received NO spare parts for these aircraft in decades. Same goes for their AIM-54 Phoenix missiles.

 

I doubt their F-14's can co much more than get in the air, much less fire off a Phoenix missile. In fact, I heard Iran burned up their AIM-54's in their war with Iraq in the 1980's.

 

Also, don't think that the Israeli's don't possess a good deal of information about the Iranian's Air Force capabilities. Mossad is world renowned, and if they were able to penetrate Iran's nuclear program so thoroughly as they did, you can bet they'd easily be able to get information on their Air Force. I bet the F-15I's are well equipped to fool the F-14A's electronically.

Edited September 7, 2013 by Night

[Pilotasso]

In best case scenario, with operational AWG9 And phoenix, Israel knows their signature and render them useless with ECM.

[Leviathan]

• The Navy LTJG, when asked later by the accident investigation board, said, yes, indeed, he intended to shoot a live missile. He was not court-martialed but put on non-flying duties and never flew again.
  

 

So, in the US Navy you can deliberately shoot down other allied pilots with life ammunition, without being impeached for attempted murder? Good to know, that our western standards of justice are so important to the US government...

[MoGas]

Do we really have any evidence that the MIM-23 was transformed into something that would work with the AWG-9? And really with the R-27 aswell??

 

Four IRIAF Tomcats are able to carry MIM-23 missiles from the project "sky hawk".

 

Also known as Sedjil later rebuild to Yassers missiles, with the body from the MIM-23B and a M-117 bomb warhead.

 

The I-Hawk ability to convert radar signals from the AWG-9 was also criticised. Plus the data link between the AWG-9 and the missile proved too weak.

 

Indeed one or two missiles were even fired in the Iran Iraq war. If the hit something I dont know.

 

 

 

The missile needs certain parameters to work correctly:

 

The Tomcat had to fly at no less then 10.000ft and mach 0.75, with the target at between 30.000 and 50.000ft....

Edited September 7, 2013 by MoGas

[countto10]

The interesting thing about the phoenix is its very large warhead. Doesn't really have to be that close to kill.

[RIPTIDE]

Four IRIAF Tomcats are able to carry MIM-23 missiles from the project "sky hawk".

 

Also known as Sedjil later rebuild to Yassers missiles, with the body from the MIM-23B and a M-117 bomb warhead.

 

The I-Hawk ability to convert radar signals from the AWG-9 was also criticised. Plus the data link between the AWG-9 and the missile proved too weak.

 

Indeed one or two missiles were even fired in the Iran Iraq war. If the hit something I dont know.

 

 

 

The missile needs certain parameters to work correctly:

 

The Tomcat had to fly at no less then 10.000ft and mach 0.75, with the target at between 30.000 and 50.000ft....

Was the Mim-23B part of the I-Hawk upgrade? AFAIK it might have been on of the later upgrades to give the SAM low altitude/anti clutter capability. Otherwise I imagine the seeker head technically would be limited to shootup engagements?

[GGTharos]

The F-15I is ages and eons more advanced electronically than Iran's aging F-14A fleet. The F-14 will never have the BVR advantage over the F-15I.

More advanced ECM, more advanced ECCM, more advanced communications, situation displays and missiles, and probably much better training - all the advantages are the F-15Is.

 

There's really no point in asking this question or making a debate of any sort about it. Old AIM-54As are not even likely to function any more, and even when they were new they wouldn't have had much change against a modern aircraft with a modern integrated jammer - that's if the F-14 can actually lock onto an F-15I to begin with. While the US did not sell the TEWS with the F-15I, IIRC, israel installed their own version in the allotted space. Finally, the F-15I is a strike fighter - the F-14's would likely be facing off with the fighter escorts instead (possibly F-15Is tasked with that role as well).

 

The Iranians are forging ahead with their own work, but they're nowhere near the technology level of what is a modern F-16 or F-15.

 

kaktus has a better idea of what's going on - Israel has problems with distance when it comes to reaching Iran. Iranian air force can't reach Israel and come back.

 

Iran has missiles, the Russian R-27 missiles and surface-to-air Hawk for F-14, I think they probably also add ECM jamming pod for the F-14A

 

F-15I has an advantage in maneuverability (I heard that the model F-15A / C up to 9G), however F-14A will have 50% wins with Phoenix AIM-54A. In Iran-Iraq wars, an F-14 scored while shot down 3 MiG-23 when they are close together.

Edited September 7, 2013 by GGTharos

[GGTharos]

Yes it is, but good luck integrating it with a radar it was never meant to work with when you're working with reverse-engineered equipment.

 

Was the Mim-23B part of the I-Hawk upgrade? AFAIK it might have been on of the later upgrades to give the SAM low altitude/anti clutter capability. Otherwise I imagine the seeker head technically would be limited to shootup engagements?