Allies are speaking Russian again!

[BiBa]

Allies are speaking Russian again! :doh:

 

We had that problem before, and now again - Really frustrating...:mad:

 

I've tried some older missions where I play Red, and all the communications with Flight have turned into Russian, while the Text messages are in English. And YES, I've actualized those missions and resaved them with the Mission Editor, but didn't help.

 

Hope we don't have to wait long until it gets fixed with the next update :P

[Irregular programming]

So you are complaining that the russian side speaks russian? That is how it's supposed to be.

 

Turn it off in settings with cockpit language if you want.

[Rongor]

I hope they don't "fix" this, as this is how it should be.

Since one would expect russians speaking russian, I also don't exactly understand what is so frustrating about this nice feature.

[Irregular programming]

The other way was extremely frustrating, when you had to mod the game to get it to work "properly". :thumbsup:

[BiBa]

So you are complaining that the russian side speaks russian? That is how it's supposed to be....Turn it off in settings with cockpit language if you want.

I've checked it up in OPTION/GAMEPLAY/COCKPIT LANGUAGE, where ENGLISH is already checked, but there is no "Turn it off" option, as you advised; either to choose ENGLISH or RUSSIAN. So if I've already have ENGLISH as COCKPIT LANGUAGE, why is it in RUSSIAN, when I fly RED? I've tested it with other Ka-50 Single Mission, where you fly RED (checked in ME) and there it is also COCKPIT-RUSSIAN spoken but with English subtitles! This goes to all other missions where you fly RED. The COCKPIT LANGUAGE turns to ENGLISH in missions where PLAYER flies BLUE. When you choose SPAIN or GERMANY for an AI as PLAYER, the COCKPIT LANGUAGE does not turn to Spanish or German. Is that only the case with Russia?

 

Does that means I have to change in ME all missions where the PLAYER is RED to BLUE? I hope not - so there must be another way to fix this.

Edited October 31, 2013 by Biba

[xxJohnxx]

Does that means I have to change in ME all missions where the PLAYER is RED to BLUE? I hope not - so there must be another way to fix this.

 

Learn Russian?

Read the subtitles?

Ignore what the AI talks anyway?

Copy everything from DCSWorld\Sounds\Speech\Sound\ENG to DCSWorld\Sounds\Speech\Sound\RUS?

 

As you see, you have several possibilities...

[Fishbreath]

The only one you really need to know and love is 'SAM launch' and the numbers for o'clock. :P

[BiBa]

1.Learn Russian?

2.Read the subtitles?

3.Ignore what the AI talks anyway?

4.Copy everything from DCSWorld\Sounds\Speech\Sound\ENG to DCSWorld\Sounds\Speech\Sound\RUS?

As you see, you have several possibilities...

1... I already speak four languages and I'm too old now to learn a fifth...

2... A Simulation is supposed to be real and depend on Radio communications, not a fiction text to be read on the forehead...

3... Hearing a foreign language in a real combat is a distracting torment for the pilot and should be dealt with as intrusive psycho weapon in warfare...

4... "Copying etc" is not a cool solution. Prefer to keep the original...

 

5: Update to the way it was. If I choose ENGLISH in the COCKPIT LANGUAGE, this must go for all AI nationalities! You want RUSSIAN as COCKPIT LANGUAGE, go to OPTIONS/GAMEPLAY and choose that.

 

My frustration is big, because I've invested a lot of work in Mission Editor modifying a lot of DCS missions, where PLAYER is RED, and it was working fine up to now in English, so why now the stupid change?

 

Only if you're working in the NSA and have the tools for an eavesdropping attack and have Russian speaking specialists, then write a new role in DCS for it - I'm not interested

 

My matter of concern is, the first time I bought Ka-50 I on Steam, I was angry because the missions were still in Russian. They told me you need Ka-50 II to fly those missions in English. So I bought that. That means I also bought the right for the missions in English, and therefore have the right to claim for missions in English, not only in text, but also in spoken English!

 

Otherwise it is the obligation of DCS to mod all DCS game missions and change all AI PLAYER from RED to BLUE to get it to work "properly", because I've invested weeks of work in modifying in ME the DCS missions, where PLAYER is RED, and now it takes the piss out of all that wasted work, when RED Player's COCKPIT turns Russian...

Edited October 31, 2013 by Biba

[Irregular programming]

Go ahead and continue being frustrated about the game finally working as intended, I guess. :noexpression:

[BiBa]

Go ahead and continue being frustrated about the game finally working as intended, I guess. :noexpression:

Your DCS ID is a little bit confusing. Are you a member in the DCS staff team for programming or just a member?

[Irregular programming]

Why would you think I am a developer?

 

We had to wait a long time for ED to make the AI speak Russian and now they finally do.

 

If the cockpit selection doesn't work, which I thought it would and might be a bug if it does not but that doesn't really matter when you elect to be frustrated instead of doing an extremely easy fix that takes five minutes top. So, I don't know what to tell you.

 

I would love it if the cockpit language no longer is tied to the language of the AI, then I can use the English cockpit again.

 

Should be an option though.

Edited October 31, 2013 by Irregular programming

[BiBa]

...If the cockpit selection doesn't work, which I thought it would and might be a bug if it does not...

Now I'm really confused, because as I've already mentioned in OPTION/GAMEPLAY/COCKPIT LANGUAGE, ENGLISH is already checked.

 

So to avoid any misunderstanding, are you saying if you fly with that setting a Mission where PLAYER AI is RED, your cockpit is in English? Because in that case it is a bug problem that I only have. Can you try a DCS mission with a RED Player and confirm if that's the case with you?

 

Thanks

[xxJohnxx]

Yes, if I set cockpit language to ENGLISH, the Ka-50 cockpit (lables) is in english, independend of coalation.

If I set the cockpit language to RUSSIAN, the Ka-50 cockpit is in russian, independend of the coalation.

 

However the cockpit language has no affect to the voices over the radio (AI and player) or the sounds (voices) in the missions / campaing.

[Nate--IRL--]

Now I'm really confused, because as I've already mentioned in OPTION/GAMEPLAY/COCKPIT LANGUAGE, ENGLISH is already checked.

 

Cockpit language never applied to Radio Comms, ever - rather it applied to the HUD and Cockpit Text Language (if applicable to an aircraft)

 

Russian Voices for Russian Aircraft, is a design choice and it had been that way since Lock On 1, until about 3 versions ago. People complained (as did I) and now it is set back to the way it was.

 

So to avoid any misunderstanding, are you saying if you fly with that setting a Mission where PLAYER AI is RED, your cockpit is in English? Because in that case it is a bug problem that I only have. Can you try a DCS mission with a RED Player and confirm if that's the case with you?

 

Thanks

 

Are you saying that if you fly an F-15 on the red coalition, other F-15 wing-men Speak in Russian?

 

Nate

[BiBa]

...Are you saying that if you fly an F-15 on the red coalition, other F-15 wing-men Speak in Russian?

YES exactly, I'm flying a BS2 on the RED coalition, and other BS2 Wingmen are speaking/replying in Russian. (it's not about labels or cockpit Info/language)

 

All Radio DCS missions where Player and his wingmen are RED were communicating in English (with foreign accent) sofar until the last update. I bought the BS2 because they told me the Radio COM with Wingmen is in English, compared to the prior BS1 version. So if you've reset the RED coalition Radio communication with wingmen back to Russian now and didn't at least modify the Ka-50 missions from RED to BLUE coalition, what for did we pay the extra money? BS2 in only Russian is now exactly like the BS1 version!

Edited October 31, 2013 by Biba

[silverofx441]

[pappavis]

I want realism. Russians speaking russian, no english.

 

Copy everything from DCSWorld\Sounds\Speech\Sound\ENG to DCSWorld\Sounds\Speech\Sound\RUS?

 

This takes about 30 seconds.

[Rongor]

Die roten sind nun mal die Russen, also sprechen sie russisch. Der ganze Spaß wäre doch futsch wenn sie englisch oder gebrochen englisch reden würden. Wenn ich schon in so einen Russen-Jet einsteige, dann find ichs nicht nur geil, Nörgelnadia und den Funk auf russisch zu hören, es ist auch letztendlich der konsequente Weg, die russische Seite zu simulieren.

 

At last it is not that hard to pay attention to the english captions. Enjoy the immersion and understand that simulated russian aviation has to sound (and to look) russian as far as possible.

[Fishbreath]

understand that simulated russian aviation has to sound (and to look) russian as far as possible.

 

No, it absolutely does not. If the flight dynamics, the system modeling, and the weapons delivery are accurate, my wingmen could be speaking Martian for all I care. Putting someone down because he wants simulated radio communications to be in a language he speaks is moronic. It ought to be an option that can be set in the game. Saying 'no' to that is indefensible.

[xxJohnxx]

...Nörgelnadia...

 

:megalol::megalol:

[BiBa]

I want realism. Russians speaking russian, no english.

...And Spanish coalition speaking Spanish German speaking etc, papalapapp... The MAIN problem lies in the Ka-50 mission package you get when you purchase BS2, it's all packed with missions where the Player is RED coalition. If they want to set it back to RED Ka speaking russian, then at least I want a new Ka mission package modified where player is Blue coalition, so that I can fly DCS missions with wingmen and communicate in English!

[Rongor]

I actually love her russian voice...

[xxJohnxx]

It ought to be an option that can be set in the game. Saying 'no' to that is indefensible.

 

I don't think there is really an option needed. Yo just can copy and paste, which takes about 30 seconds and doesn't give the devs additional work.

 

In my opinion, when programming the most annoying things to program are the things the user could easily do himself, but no, he want's the software to do it, just because he can't be bothered/is to lazy to do it himself.

Edited October 31, 2013 by xxJohnxx

[Rongor]

I am afraid you have to accept that Ka-50 is of russian origin. So people will likely expect to fly it on the RED side, since the Ka-50 belongs there.

Blue Ka-50s are as unrealistic as red A-10Cs. We also wouldn't really like ED investing time into the crafting of missions and campaigns with red A-10Cs.

[BiBa]

I am afraid you have to accept that Ka-50 is of russian origin. So people will likely expect to fly it on the RED side, since the Ka-50 belongs there.

Blue Ka-50s are as unrealistic as red A-10Cs. We also wouldn't really like ED investing time into the crafting of missions and campaigns with red A-10Cs.

What it was important that in the whole package I've purchased from BS2 mission, the player is red coalition. If all communications with the wingmen now are taking place in Russian, then it is just like the previous version of BS1. If the programmer in this case do not at least offer us a new mission package, where the player is in the blue coalition and thus can communicate with wingmen in English, what for have we paid then the extra money for BS2? BS1 would have been sufficient.

 

Above that if I knew they will reset it to Russian, I wouldn't have had invested weeks of time in modifying the Ka missions to a higher level. Now all the work is down the drain, because it doesn't make sense anymore flying mission with wingmen that reply in Russian!