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  1. 1. Black shark compromises you are willing to take?

    • Yeah, I want it soon as freaking possible!!! Release patches later.
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    • Naaa...I can wait to get the whole treat out of the box.
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Pilotasso

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This question has been arisen in another thread and I think it is important to comunicate to the DEV team what we think about this.

 

There is the possibility that BS can be released on schedule but some of its features delayed for later patches. Such as the new tree system and the new terrain area.

 

What are you willing to do?

Would you like to wait for a complete release or you want the basic version and patches later?

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Shaman

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Basic, and patches later.

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I would prefer to see it mostly complete, knowing there will be issues like certain complex programming of features that will simply have to be put aside (for later) due to time, new information that will become available that conflicts with the current modeling.. whatever. But to say "release it basic" causes me to think of the initial release of LOMAC which.. looking back on it now, and noting the changes that have taken place.. man 1.0 was disastrous... I know why- so no need to freak out. But it was.

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Glowing_Amraam

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Agree, release it complete. Don't throw it out the door just so we can play with a chopper and half complete feaures. Let's get the whole deal while we're at it. ;)

 

Makes more sense too. I bet 1.12 will keep us happy til we get 1.2.

 

So release it complete, that way, we will have alot to look forward to. :D

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I would rather wait for the finished product, a few more months would probably prevent a lot of frustration later on.

 

 

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Laivynas

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Patches are inevitable. ;)

So, just like it's now with 1.12, additional work and testing of 1.2 surely can lead to months of waiting.

Or maybe you think that testers can catch all 100% of bugs till release? :)

Anyway it's a deadline for ED and they must obey that. After all it's another project at the door. ;)

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Shaman

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Am I the only one who finds 1.1 and now 1.2 as just another patch for Lock On, though with new features. ? It's just bigger download, that's it. ;)

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Pilotasso

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Hope ED is listening to this. So far the vast majority actualy can wait for a completed version even if there are delays to prevent what hapened in 1.00 and its reviews. Keep voting. The results are too scarce to be representative just yet.

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Brit_Radar_Dude

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This is all very well and I am sure ED are very interested to hear our thoughts......

 

......but I suspect it is their accountant who will have most input into the BlackShark release date/content. If they are running out of money, BlackShark will be released on time in order to get some income, end of story. If there is stuff they can't complete in time for the scheduled release date in their business plan, it'll be left out for the initial release. We all have to remember they are running a business.

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Flankerbiotch

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Are you guys insane?

 

Just release 1.2. What exactly do you think will be "fixed" if we have to wait 3 more months?

 

If the helicopter can fly and I can shoot some tanks, I'll be perfectly happy.

 

Seriously, you guys need to calm down with your perfection stuff. That thread about the english cockpit was hilarious. For those of you wanting "complete authenticity," you should only get your manuals in russian. And, of course, if you don't meet the height, weight and age requirements, you will not be allowed to fly this sim! Because that's the way it is in real life!

Konovalov

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This is all very well and I am sure ED are very interested to hear our thoughts......

 

......but I suspect it is their accountant who will have most input into the BlackShark release date/content. If they are running out of money, BlackShark will be released on time in order to get some income, end of story. If there is stuff they can't complete in time for the scheduled release date in their business plan, it'll be left out for the initial release. We all have to remember they are running a business.

 

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. Sure, I'd love to have it released when it is all sorted but that just never happens.

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Seriously, you guys need to calm down with your perfection stuff. That thread about the english cockpit was hilarious. For those of you wanting "complete authenticity," you should only get your manuals in russian. And, of course, if you don't meet the height, weight and age requirements, you will not be allowed to fly this sim! Because that's the way it is in real life!

 

Ok then, but where would you draw the line then? AIM-54 armed F-15's? R-77 armed Su-27's? R-73 armed Ka-50's? AIM-120's with a range of 120 Kms.

 

Also do you not think that airforces buying foreign equipment would also get a manual in their own language?

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Wags

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This is all very well and I am sure ED are very interested to hear our thoughts......

 

......but I suspect it is their accountant who will have most input into the BlackShark release date/content. If they are running out of money, BlackShark will be released on time in order to get some income, end of story. If there is stuff they can't complete in time for the scheduled release date in their business plan, it'll be left out for the initial release. We all have to remember they are running a business.

 

 

Very insightful BRD.

 

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Olgerd

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This is all very well and I am sure ED are very interested to hear our thoughts......

 

......but I suspect it is their accountant who will have most input into the BlackShark release date/content. If they are running out of money, BlackShark will be released on time in order to get some income, end of story. If there is stuff they can't complete in time for the scheduled release date in their business plan, it'll be left out for the initial release. We all have to remember they are running a business.

 

Very insightful BRD.

 

-Matt

 

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Weta43

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Somewhere in the middle (an option missing from thje poll!).

 

Yes ED need to generate income & can't afford to wait indefinitely to release B.S. while they iron out ALL the bugs and implement all the features we dream up, but there's also the financial impact of their damaging their credibility within the wider simming community to consider - both on the bugs side & on not delivering promised features.

Look LOMAC up on Wikipedia - look up LOMAC on most forums, & see the bitching about bugs & half finished product. FC’s release – both the online payment c*ckup & the Gold edition delease + dodgy disk mess didn’t do anyone any favours.

The extensions to the map were only recently mentioned & so people might be a bit disappointed with it not being there but prepared to wait for a patch or update (an extended map patch seems a natural idea), but since the mention of a helicopter people have been saying that the world near the ground (trees) needs updating.

One thing LO has always had going for it is its visualy immersive environment. Hovering among the present trees is going to kill that.

Look also at how many threads there are about tree popup. If that could be cured with Speedtrees the game would be improved both for the choppers and for those who keep flying jets.

Same with WAFM. Everyone’s been waiting for it - it would answer the requests of existing players, improve gameplay, and provide a point of distinction & of "one upmanship" against F4. "F4 has a DC but B.S. has AFM's for 3 aircraft & WAFM for air simulation fidelity"

The things that will keep us happy are also the things that will improve reviews & increase sales.

 

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I want everything in release, not in patches.))

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Pilotasso

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This is all very well and I am sure ED are very interested to hear our thoughts......

 

......but I suspect it is their accountant who will have most input into the BlackShark release date/content. If they are running out of money, BlackShark will be released on time in order to get some income, end of story. If there is stuff they can't complete in time for the scheduled release date in their business plan, it'll be left out for the initial release. We all have to remember they are running a business.

 

Something like that ocurred to me, but I though ED had a bit more magin of manuever since there were some figures in the press stating very good sales in the US of the 1.00. FC would have sold better, and since the westerners payed ALOT more than the CIS, the money generated by this wouldnt be exausted quite that fast.

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Pilotasso

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W-AFM??

 

Weapons Advanced Flight Model. To me the coolest thing in the expansion, and on any SIM. We will finaly see those kinetic effects donne properly. I love see stuff flying everywhere. :) I was hoping I wouldnt have to wait for a patch to get it... ;)

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