eurofor Posted January 16, 2014 Author Posted January 16, 2014 Why must you see it in the air to be sure that it would be a realistic loadout? I get that a picture of a Su-25 parked at an airshow is not necessarily believable. I posted some above where ground crews were loading the weapons and it definitely did not look like an airshow. If one is taxiing with a certain loadout that seems pretty reasonable that it would be a real life loadout. Wish someone with more official knowledge could chime in.... Because I mean realistic as in how likely it is to be used in a combat scenario. Is the range and loiter time acceptable vs the necessity to carry so much on a single aircraft. Seeing one flying in what obviously is not an airshow would indicate that there may be some scenario worth training for that requires it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
TurboHog Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Why would you taxi with a loadout like that and dont fly with it? Unless you believe that it was just a taxi test... Taxiing or flying - it proves the same thing. Again, if range to target allows the extra drag, then why not? You already know that real Su-25's are equipped this way. Now you have to assess for yourself whether you need the amount of ordnance and if your desired combat radius allows it. The latter is left to your imagination as it is near impossible for an outsider to find out about these rules/procedures. 'Frett'
eurofor Posted January 16, 2014 Author Posted January 16, 2014 Why would you taxi with a loadout like that and dont fly with it? Unless you believe that it was just a taxi test... Taxiing or flying - it proves the same thing. Again, if range to target allows the extra drag, then why not? You already know that real Su-25's are equipped this way. Now you have to assess for yourself whether you need the amount of ordnance and if your desired combat radius allows it. The latter is left to your imagination as it is near impossible for an outsider to find out about these rules/procedures. As I said, the context is unclear. The video doesn't reveal anything more than that this was fitted to an aircraft that was probably flying. Footage actually in the air reveals more about the purpose of the flight ie training/patrol/combat/display/etc. The lack of such footage in itself indicates that it is not a common loadout and therefore I'll remain sceptical. If one would ask if it is possible to mount and fly with such a loadout then the video gives the answer probably yes. However that is not what I'm asking. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
159_Archer Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 What are these? They don't look like FAB-500S... According to my Russian/Soviet aircraft weapons book, these are ZB-500 napalms. IIRC when flaming cliffs was released some years back, we had a napalm weapon for the 25t and IIRC it was the ZAB-500. The book mentions these also but -alas- there is little useful text on all these weapons above the basics and a table with all the sub-marks of napalm weapons available over time. There was a collective whimper when we lost our ZAB-500s I seem to remember -any chance of 'em coming back?! :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 159th Guards Aviation Regiment; recruiting now! http://www.159thgar.com/ We now fly all modern Jets and Helos
eurofor Posted January 16, 2014 Author Posted January 16, 2014 The first photo is quite interesting. I didn't know that SU-25 is capable to be loaded up to 4 R-60 missiles. It might not be - could be some exhibitor is just sticking munitions on the outside for show :D The mount actually looks slightly different. There's a horisontal bit. It would be interesting to know if this is indeed something the Su-25 can use. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
TurboHog Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) 4 x Kh-25ML + 2xFuel tank (I think) @ 1:46 in the video below. This also happens to be my usual loadout for pinpoint strikes on SAM and AAA defended sites/targets. Su-25 in the video is possibly upgraded to SM standard. Edited January 17, 2014 by TurboHog 'Frett'
GGTharos Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I don't think all the video is from 2008, I think some is older. However yes, any Su-25 participating in the Georgia attack was probably a 25SM, or on the Georgian side, Skorpion upgrade. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
pepin1234 Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 4 x Kh-25ML + 2xFuel tank (I think) @ 1:46 in the video below. This also happens to be my usual loadout for pinpoint strikes on SAM and AAA defended sites/targets. Su-25 in the video is possibly upgraded to SM standard. That Su-25 with 4 Kh-25Ml is a Su-25T unit in Georgia 2008. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
TurboHog Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 That Su-25 with 4 Kh-25Ml is a Su-25T unit in Georgia 2008. It doesn't have the shape of a T or TM? On the other hand, the way the gun is mounted... But the nose is too round. 'Frett'
esb77 Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) It doesn't have the shape of a T or TM? On the other hand, the way the gun is mounted... But the nose is too round. At 1:33 in the video it's a humpbacked single seater Su-25, that's characteristic of a T or TM variant. Also there's a Shkval screen shown in the gun camera footage when they're using a laser guided missile to take out a vehicle, and I'm not sure that any variants other than the T/TM have the Shkval. At 1:46 you can't really tell what the dorsal fuselage looks like, but it does have the external 30mm cannons and the IR jammer in the tail, both of which would also be consistent with a T variant. Later on you see a lot of Su-25s that are definitely not either of the T variants. Of course it's a whole bunch of short clips edited together, so who knows how much is actual conflict footage versus stock footage spliced in. It's likely that a lot of the Su-25 footage with HUDs shown is actually from S, SM or other modernizations that are more common than the T variants. You wouldn't want to risk losing your most advanced versions when there's no prospect of replacing combat losses. Edited January 17, 2014 by esb77 Callsign "Auger". It could mean to predict the future or a tool for boring large holes. I combine the two by predictably boring large holes in the ground with my plane.
TurboHog Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Yea. The IR-Jammer is indeed there. Still going to consider the loadout valid for the Su-25 though. 'Frett'
eurofor Posted January 17, 2014 Author Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) Yea. The IR-Jammer is indeed there. Still going to consider the loadout valid for the Su-25 though. I wouldn't because there are significant differences between them. The T/TM has guidance using an optical sensor which is more accurate. A loadout such as this may very well be considered too expensive and wasteful to put on an old Su-25. We don't know for sure where they draw this line so, for me, it's disqualified until there's footage of the same loadout on a non-SM/T/TM/KM version. Edited January 17, 2014 by eurofor [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GRUNT -Shrek- Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 4 x Kh-25ML + 2xFuel tank (I think) @ 1:46 in the video below. This also happens to be my usual loadout for pinpoint strikes on SAM and AAA defended sites/targets. Su-25 in the video is possibly upgraded to SM standard. Positive: 4x Kh-25ML, 2x Fuel It's a Su-25 "T" (upgrade, not Su-25 as of FC3) you can tell by: - large rudder - missing gun in the hull portside - rear section does have the IR-jammer flat white circle instead of the long spike
TurboHog Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 I wouldn't because there are significant differences between them. The T/TM has guidance using an optical sensor which is more accurate. A loadout such as this may very well be considered too expensive and wasteful to put on an old Su-25. We don't know for sure where they draw this line so, for me, it's disqualified until there's footage of the same loadout on a non-SM/T/TM/KM version. It is indeed a waste of money if your hit chance is too low. But after a lot of practise I can hit a humvee from max range so I'll just take them anyway :smilewink: It's the Su25's maverick for me, only a bit more difficult to use. 'Frett'
Capt_Haddock Posted June 3, 2014 Posted June 3, 2014 Perhaps this helps? From 4+ book on the Su-25 (1996) Interestingly, some loadouts have more than 2 types, even on the old Su-25 (not just the T or TM) 1
LeVince Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Which one have more than two types on the old Su-25? i don't see it. I'm just surprised to see a Kh-58 without phantasmagoria pod (the last one) :huh: Elève Su-25 EVAC
Capt_Haddock Posted June 8, 2014 Posted June 8, 2014 Starting from the top of the list, loadouts: 7, 8, 17, 23, 25 and 29. Well spotted about the Phantasmagoria pod!
LeVince Posted June 8, 2014 Posted June 8, 2014 I still don't see there is no more than three types for me. Air-air missiles and gun pod do not count, just Air-to ground, so n°7: PTB800 (fuel) S-25 (rocket) FAB-250 (Bombs) Rocket+bombs---->2 types n°8: PTB800 (fuel) UB-32 (rocket) FAB-100 (Bombs) Rocket+bombs---->2 types n°17: PTB800 (fuel) UB-32 (rocket) FAB-100 (Bombs) Rocket+bombs---->2 types n°23: Just rockets n°25: S-8 (rocket) S-24 (rocket) You can load your plane (Su-25A) with bombs+ missiles or bombs+rockets :smartass: Elève Su-25 EVAC
Capt_Haddock Posted June 9, 2014 Posted June 9, 2014 Good point! Didn't know what the PTB800 was. Thanks for the info :)
McBlemmen Posted June 10, 2014 Posted June 10, 2014 :doh: lol , it took me about 30 seconds to realise that Vapor's first picture on page 1 isnt actually some weird external pod with wheels but another SU25
guitarxe Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 All this talk of realistic loadouts... this thread has more activity on it than the rest of the Su-25 subforum. Do people fly this module at all? Apart from this subforum being mostly dead, I also haven't been able to find any player-made missions for the Su-25. There were 1 or 2 that were sort of "one size fits all" and compatible with the Su-25, but nothing specifically made for it. Is this module just dead, in terms of players interest? Is the Su-25T more popular?
mwd2 Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 take a look here: http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?PER_PAGE=20&arrFilter_pf%5Bfiletype%5D=1&arrFilter_pf%5Bgameversion%5D=&arrFilter_pf%5Bfilelang%5D=&arrFilter_pf%5Baircraft%5D=24&arrFilter_CREATED_USER_NAME=&set_filter=Y Playing: DCS World Intel i7-13700KF, 64GB DDR5 @5600MHz, RTX 4080 ZOTAC Trinity, WIN 11 64Bit Prof. Squadron "Serious Uglies" / Discord-Server: https://discord.gg/2WccwBh Ghost0815
Avimimus Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Which one have more than two types on the old Su-25? i don't see it. I'm just surprised to see a Kh-58 without phantasmagoria pod (the last one) :huh: Lots of loadouts have gunpods or missiles and two types of unguided munitions. So, I'm assuming that the ballistics computer can only be set up for two weapons at a time (and that is the source of the limitation). Another reason to take an S-25L...
LFCChameleon_Silk Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) I fly the Grach far more often then the Tankovy model, it takes more skill (less fuel, less weapon payload) you get a more agile aircraft (mainly because of the weight and reduced fuel) and Its definitely harder to do well in but thats the point, also taking full load of S-25L or S-13's is good fun. My loadout of choice is 24 x FAB-100's, 2 x SPPU-21 Gunpods (realistic or not) I drop FAB-100's from over 4k meters to remove unwanted manpads/air defenses and gunpods for the rest... also about fuel consumption because I'm bombing from over 4k (or 4.5k depending on threats) you don't need extra fuel with proper throttle control (climb and trim for 600kmh IAS and you can maintain it at like 90 pct throttle) and with the higher flying makes it so that a combat radius of 120km+ is possible without the tanks... obviously having tanks is better but you sacrifice loadout and killing power for more fuel. Supports Su-25: http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/669440/ my loadouts (not all realistic) Edited July 27, 2014 by =LFC=Chameleon_Silk
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