303_Kermit

... With all the respect. please make some module that complements the existing ones. Some counterpart to MiG-29 maybe? or for Phantom? or for F-16/18? Or some WW2... F-35 is waste of time IMHO.

I strongly suspect, that your experience is limited to head on engagements, that start in mid air head on. In PvP environment such experience is useless. Average flying MiG will go below you - to make your radar useless. Without doppler radar on board F-4 your AiM-7 has no advantage over R-27. You'll lose a lock anyway. You have 2 options: If you fly low like he is - you're already half dead. Boresight is your best option here, and only if your opponent is naive enough to fly Headon. MiG 29 will see you first, so he will maneuver first. Mostly to place himself behind you. In most cases you end up in turn fight against MiG-29. You're low - soon you'll end up low and slow. If you stay high you'll become a victim of giraffe and effect will be the same. One more thing - flying with 4+4 AAM in F-4 is bad idea IMHO. Even against MiG-21, not mentioning MiG-29. Such payload makes you slow, acceleration even in dive is very limited, loss of speed in turn is dramatic. Range of the radar is small (surprise surprise it's not a Tomcat) and that means that you'll use not more than 2x AiM-7 in single head on. After that, the other 2x AiM-7 are nothing more than extra drag and extra weight. Most cases I fly 2x AiM-7 + 2x or 4x AiM-9. If I fail to use both AiM-7 before turnfight, my chances of winning against MiG-21 are seriously limited. So I always shoot both AiM-7 even if there's no chance to hit. Just to make my plane more agile. To have a chance against F1 and MiG-21 in turnfight, or just to outclimb / outrun them. (Outrunning F-1 is even than very hard, and F-4 needs one more trick to survive) I fly over 20 years. I doubt there is a trick that I don't know about. You may try to outsmart MiG-29. In the Holy Bible of Fighter Pilots R. Shaw describes many so called "Stunt tactics" - so you don't have to be creative. Just pick one. Some of them work in DCS, another don't. But all of them work only once or twice. After that it's like he wrote: "If you have no effective advantage that you may use against your enemy, you have very low chance to win". Yes Tomcat armed in AiM-7 may stand against MiG-29. No F-4 armed in AiM-7 can't. Simple. But you're welcome to try. Any PvP server (Buddyspike 80 for example) will cure you from illusions. Anyway... most of my colleagues (just as old as I am) doesn't even bother to take R-27 on MiG-29. Just 6x Fox2. Even F-15 isn't safe if it's not armed with AiM-120. F-4 is just a target for them and they'll win 10 out of 10 not even concentrating on game that much.

I like to fly PvP and online Campaigns / milsim Campaigns. In most of them MRF1 is placed on Red side. It's not a problem if you're interested in DCS just because of shooting. If you're in DCS because of flying, than you look for full realism missions, without your plane position provided on the map, full weather, day and night. In that case you'll miss TACAN beacons and ILS. It annoyed us up to moment when we decided to change plane. Second reason was, that F-4 is able to perform every Cold War mission ('60-'70 CW conflicts), A2A and A2G . MRF1 is very good in A2A, but his A2G capabilities are limited. SEAD - very difficult. 2x F-4 are able make serious damage to any target. Third reason - Immersion that is provided in F-4.

I hate such discussions. I flew 2 years exclusively F-1CE / EE / BE. Back then F-4 wasn't much of a challenge. Short on fuel, slow. Now I fly F-4 Exclusively - I can't see the advantage of using AiM-7M. Sure- it probably mattered for F-4J/S and other Navy variants, since they could utilize Doppler filter, and were able to perform top down shooting. But "E" ? You need to be skilled , and be a part of very well coordinated team to kill MiG-29 in 2 vs 1 combat. In 1 on 1 your best chance is some friendly SAM site. Run wait for SAM lunch, recomit, don't be too greedy. Rather defensive as offensive. But maybe you're better than me?

Which one of F-4 Missiles would be better than R-27R/T/ER/ET?

also for msfs?

Mi-2 Any version.

The true reason is simple. M61A1 Vulcan Cannon. Either that or Pulse doppler filter module. Navy chose bigger antenna of the radar and look down shoot down capabilities, since they were interested more in A2A performance of F4. Airforces wanted something else, and they have an ammo box instead of Doppler module. That is one of the reasons, why whole front end of F-4 of Navy is different.

+1

I travel from one crash site to the other. I learn the history of Starfighters form JaBoG 34. These week I visited crash site of Oblt. Kelenk on the mountain "Hochgrat". It looks very different if you see the report about the last flight, and after you see an actual crash site. Anyway.... maybe it's offtop, but may I ask for these one Skin? Looks insane.

Not that much... I mean... F-104 combat range - 420nm vs EEL combat range 135nm. Is it even worth to take off?? Purely defensive plane. Not a fighter - just Interceptor. Not very capable one, since there is no place for bigger radar antenna, and no serious Fox 1 missiles could be used on it. Unable to perform any mission behind the front line not A2A nor A2G (well... Kuwait is exception, but it isn't a very big country - they could ignore massive thirst of Lightning and his non existing range, since they sleep on Oil, and their country is so small, that you may see both ends from one tower in between them) No CAP, just GAI missions like MiG-21F-13 or MiG-21 PF/PFM (SPS). Very limited usage. You would be bored flying it after 5 days. It's actually very funny if one think: Adm. Yamamoto was killed during first known purposely performed Interception mission - thanks to huge range of P-38. British Lightning in spite of his speed would be unable to perform that interception. But if you live on an Island you can built fighters that can't reach speed of sound - pretending that they do, or build very fast interceptor, that is unable to utilize his great speed/climb anywhere except well prepared exercises. As for armament... a photo pasted by @Tengah shows one big nothing. Not Impressive even for modest F-104G capabilities. Many guys will gladly Ignore limitations of F-104 - because it's thrilling to fly , insanely pretty, and it's a legend known all over the world. EEL is nowhere near to that. It's ugly from every possible angle, and seem to be a one trick pony.

Only Mother can love that Quasimodo...

Just for my curiosity... What missiles are you going to use for BVR? no AiM-7 fly that fast / that far to be a BVR capable. Jesters Locks are fine - just do it within 10nm-15nm range. Not further. It's not F-14. For low lvl Boresight works well, but of course it's not a BVR

One can't have opinion about a temperature of boiling water.

Independent from own likes and dislikes, your suggestion is against logic and fairness to guys who bought Mirage F1. Shame yourself.

Wrong. I fly Sabre a lot, I fly MRF1 a lot - but mostly BE/CE. I never flew F-16/18/JF or any other BVR capable type. Not interested. I like to see my target sweat and scared. See their eyes when I kill them. See they stall their F-4 when I do rolling scissors. F1M is a competitor for gen 4+ fighters. BVR is not my music, and MRF1M on servers like BF modern or Contentions modern... I can't imagine that. ... Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. And how did you ever figured out that I like modern planes more, when I just wrote, that it's the opposite? It's just like with your MiG-21. PF/PFM/MF would be great for DCS. BISON is wasted time.

First prototype flew in 1998 so... I hope it's AiM-120 or MICA equipped. Some Vertical Scan acquisition also would be nice. otherwise it's pure masochism IMHO.

We fly F-1 as our main plane from over 1 year. Some of us don't even touch other modules. I have no problem taking F-4E out, but mostly we fly at least as a pair. I choose when I want to fight, and when I don't. at 0 lvl I'm faster. My engine is more economic, and when F-4 is out of fuel I still have 20 minutes of flight to rtb. 1 on 1 Phantom has better acceleration in range 0,4Ma - 0,7Ma. Also slightly better Turn rate, but if both pilots know their <profanity> it takes enormous amount of time to see actually visible advantage. F1 fights very well in vertical, if you know when to shut down Hyper Lift Devices. Doing that you can outmaneuver F-4. It's however not easy, and from my most experience pilots half of them don't feel comfortable in dogfight against F-5 or F-4. Personally In worst case with F-4 on my back I start from "break" and drop altitude rapidly in various vertical maneuvers trying to archive rolling scissors with F-4. Then I pull hard to low speed and High AoA. I use combat flaps first, and when second warning siren comes (first about high AoA second about speed under 220kt), I use full flaps. F-4 always fells down like a brick. Usually After that either I become gun solution or separate myself from dogfight. On most CW servers Phantom has artificially made weapon advantage. In spite of the fact that R530 was available in service from 1962 and Supermatra R530F in 1979. Usually we're Equipped in R530 not before when Phantom becomes AiM-7F (on Contentions we become R530(EM) when Phantom becomes AiM-7E2). Compared to AiM-7E2 our R530(EM) has much smaller range. Head on gives us no chance to hit him first without some F-pole maneuvers. Firing it from tail aspect makes much sense on high alt, when it keeps high speed for a long time. On deck lvl, I usually lunch my missile only to loose weight. It's actually very funny. missile starts accelerating, and after short period of acceleration missile flies 100-300m in front of my Mirage with roughly same speed as I have, and then I start catching up. I become gun solution before missile hits the target.

No, I'll post it PM to you if we perform something like that. For us "the worst case scenario" was the most important case.

Yes, but assuming all you said, does it make F-105 "Wholly inadequate for Air to Air combat" As someone tried to convince us? Because that was the whole point.

Great Idea! I'd like to have it instead of F-35 Regards Gents

I think, it's advisable to scroll up, and read. Questions repeats many times, and somewhere on the road there is also an answer. Regards.

I'm flying exclusively F1. Over a year now. Never bored.

I have identical problem. I use VPN to connect with licence server, but then pings skyrockets, so I turn VPN off. Then I can play multiplayer, but I see no server list. I have no family protection. Problem seem to be on the side of internet provider. ED seem to be innocent here