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Actually were the Siren Tour missions not started as training missions for adopting to the H2S gear, and then developed into its own thing..?

i have the AI bombing from 50 - 100 ft. AGL using the bombing Advanced Waypoint action and bombs with 11 sec fusing (in BOTH ends or they will not be delayed!!! - plugged in the nose and 11 sec in the tail is not working). in the bombing action you need to set "Altitude Above" to the altitude you want the AI to deliver from. I have it set to 98 ft. and they will drop from 98 ft. AGL. I think the functionality is miss labeled and should be called "delivery altitude"

AI will only drop 2 bombs on an Advanced Waypoint (Bombing) even if the action is set to either drop ALL or drop 4. This is also valid if the AI flown mosquito has 4 similar bombs (2 in bay and 2 on wings) They should be able to drop all bombs no matter type or fuse settings in one go if that is selected.

A small whish to have a correctly located and structured Amiens Prison on the Normandy 2 map. Its on the Channels map all right, but it would be nice if it was on the otherwise highly realistic Normandy 2 map.

Really Really good mission Nicely build and very immersive - MORE of this Jonsky7 !!!

Hi - i have been testing flight models lately and that ensures 100 entries into the same Mission to test and retest and re-re-test etc. The mission i am testing on is using Marianas WWII (for now) and i very frequently see the loading of the mission stuck for ever and the log giving these errors: 578 2025-07-28 06:14:46.656 ERROR GRAPHICSVISTA (Main): Can't open model kousadogwood. 580 2025-07-28 06:14:46.656 ERROR GRAPHICSVISTA (Main): Can't open model lombardypoplar. 582 2025-07-28 06:14:46.656 ERROR GRAPHICSVISTA (Main): Can't open model oak. 584 2025-07-28 06:14:46.656 ERROR GRAPHICSVISTA (Main): Can't open model orange. 586 2025-07-28 06:14:46.656 ERROR GRAPHICSVISTA (Main): Can't open model palmdoum. 588 2025-07-28 06:14:46.656 ERROR GRAPHICSVISTA (Main): Can't open model pine. 590 2025-07-28 06:14:46.656 ERROR GRAPHICSVISTA (Main): Can't open model reddeliciousapple. 592 2025-07-28 06:14:46.656 ERROR GRAPHICSVISTA (Main): Can't open model smallpalm. 594 2025-07-28 06:14:46.656 ERROR GRAPHICSVISTA (Main): Can't open model sugarmaple. 596 2025-07-28 06:14:46.656 ERROR GRAPHICSVISTA (Main): Can't open model sumac. 598 2025-07-28 06:14:46.656 ERROR GRAPHICSVISTA (Main): Can't open model umbrellathorn. 604 2025-07-28 06:14:46.683 ERROR EDCORE (Main): No suitable driver found to mount mods/terrains/marianaswwii/assets/assetstextures.zip 625 2025-07-28 06:14:47.833 ERROR EDCORE (Main): No suitable driver found to mount mods/terrains/marianaswwii/assets/assetstextures.zip 764 2025-07-28 06:14:50.995 ERROR EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (36852): missing object declaration: ammunition_box_crash 765 2025-07-28 06:14:50.995 ERROR EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (36852): missing object declaration: brick_column_crash 766 2025-07-28 06:14:50.995 ERROR EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (36852): missing object declaration: conditioner_03 767 2025-07-28 06:14:50.995 ERROR EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (36852): missing object declaration: fence_brick_01_crash 768 2025-07-28 06:14:50.995 ERROR EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (36852): missing object declaration: grocery_fabric 769 2025-07-28 06:14:50.995 ERROR EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (36852): missing object declaration: mobile_beam_crane_crash 770 2025-07-28 06:14:50.995 ERROR EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (36852): missing object declaration: tractor_01_crash 771 2025-07-28 06:14:50.995 ERROR EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (36852): missing object declaration: tractor_02_crash 772 2025-07-28 06:14:50.995 ERROR EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (36852): missing object declaration: wall_brick_ruined_c02 773 2025-07-28 06:14:50.995 ERROR EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (36852): missing object declaration: wall_brick_ruined_c03 787 2025-07-28 06:14:51.049 ERROR EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (36852): cant init lDataFileGraphics for type of file = landscape5::SurfaceTile They all look like objects in the marianaswwii asset pack ps. To enhance understanding i might better make a precise description. It is a mission loaded into Mission Editor, that i then try to load into from mission editor by clicking the Small green up arrow in the left side panel (fly mission).

Yep. The val can. And in not too long the Zeke-52 can as well.

Hi NineLine. Ane findings or corrections you would like me to look into ?

yes i do as well. Happens especially when testing mod modifications and i ALT-TAB out to do some scripting before retesting. Will create support ticket and attach logs

Will be very interesting to see the outcome!

Thanks Saxman. Cleared that up very nicely for me

A question regarding fuel tanks, or perhaps rather a confirmation question. Is it correctly understood, that the model in DCS (the -1D) where there are provisions for external tanks (right hand and left hand droppable tanks or centerline tank) AND that if any one of these are installed there are no wing tanks installed. So if choosing external tanks in the loadout page, the wing tanks are automatically eliminated and if not there are no wingtanks installed. And i presume the same with centerline tank installation in the loadout screen. Image in post should be of the wingtank configuration and the correct fuel selector valve null

I stand corrected Saxman. What you said....

The Cold start training narrative also advices to slowly add mixture up to auto lean.

Short test for me yesterday - Clearly a lot of graphical performance problems for the corsair compared to other WWII modules. Tested on the WWII Marianas map i had all my WWII prop planes as client on Saipan. Very poor VR performance there. However when i moved the planes to Tinian the performance was much better, though still not good. Going to test on other maps later today

Please don't base any flight model assumptions on the behavior of the planes in that movie

@nibbylot Cool i might try that monday and get back to you how it works for me. Thanks

@ops thats pretty cool and hell of a lot easier Is it giving you any units magnetic heading? (replacing myaw with the unit name?) Is there a similar functionality for MP so all clients can get the magnetic heading of a named unit?

Whaaaaat!!! so it works @nibbylot ? Can you post what to add to the keybind file?

In order to solve the problems with non-folding wings and the new super carrier deck crew - would it be possible to "give" the T-45C pseudo folding wings by adding the supporting code in the lua files to fold wings, and then tie it to opening the cockpit in 3D. Thus the state of "wings folded" would be set/sent from the player and the deck crew being able to react on this. perhaps i is possible to figure out how the F/A-18C is structured in this regard and "copy" that structure? Just thinking out loud

Hmmmmm i think they do - at least aircrafts on parkingspots

I may have made a lot of other mistakes in the script, so keep up the critical mindset

@Minsky exactly - hench the table that was created from lat long borders and the date the mission was to take place in. So say from -7°E to 51°E and 64°N to 76°N you get a table like this if you ask for a 1 deg resolution (which might be to fine a resolution, but it was to make sure) -- Declination grid for Kola map (-7°E to 51°E, 64°N to 76°N), 1° resolution, March 2006 local declinationGrid = { [76] = {[-7] = -4.35, [-6] = -4.25, [-5] = -4.15, [-4] = -4.05, [-3] = -3.95, [-2] = -3.85, [-1] = -3.75, [0] = -3.65, [1] = -3.55, [2] = -3.45, [3] = -3.35, [4] = -3.25, [5] = -3.15, [6] = -3.05, [7] = -2.95, [8] = -2.85, [9] = -2.75, [10] = -2.65, [11] = -2.55, [12] = -2.45, [13] = -2.35, [14] = -2.25, [15] = -2.15, [16] = -2.05, [17] = -1.95, [18] = -1.85, [19] = -1.75, [20] = -1.65, [21] = -1.55, [22] = -1.45, [23] = -1.35, [24] = -1.25, [25] = -1.15, [26] = -1.05, [27] = -0.95, [28] = -0.85, [29] = -0.75, [30] = -0.65, [31] = -0.55, [32] = -0.45, [33] = -0.35, [34] = -0.25, [35] = -0.15, [36] = -0.05, [37] = 0.05, [38] = 0.15, [39] = 0.25, [40] = 0.35, [41] = 0.45, [42] = 0.55, [43] = 0.65, [44] = 0.75, [45] = 0.85, [46] = 0.95, [47] = 1.05, [48] = 1.15, [49] = 1.25, [50] = 1.35, [51] = 1.45}, [75] = {[-7] = -4.25, [-6] = -4.15, [-5] = -4.05, [-4] = -3.95, [-3] = -3.85, [-2] = -3.75, [-1] = -3.65, [0] = -3.55, [1] = -3.45, [2] = -3.35, [3] = -3.25, [4] = -3.15, [5] = -3.05, [6] = -2.95, [7] = -2.85, [8] = -2.75, [9] = -2.65, [10] = -2.55, [11] = -2.45, [12] = -2.35, [13] = -2.25, [14] = -2.15, [15] = -2.05, [16] = -1.95, [17] = -1.85, [18] = -1.75, [19] = -1.65, [20] = -1.55, [21] = -1.45, [22] = -1.35, [23] = -1.25, [24] = -1.15, [25] = -1.05, [26] = -0.95, [27] = -0.85, [28] = -0.75, [29] = -0.65, [30] = -0.55, [31] = -0.45, [32] = -0.35, [33] = -0.25, [34] = -0.15, [35] = -0.05, [36] = 0.05, [37] = 0.15, [38] = 0.25, [39] = 0.35, [40] = 0.45, [41] = 0.55, [42] = 0.65, [43] = 0.75, [44] = 0.85, [45] = 0.95, [46] = 1.05, [47] = 1.15, [48] = 1.25, [49] = 1.35, [50] = 1.45, [51] = 1.55}, [74] = {[-7] = -4.15, [-6] = -4.05, [-5] = -3.95, [-4] = -3.85, [-3] = -3.75, [-2] = -3.65, [-1] = -3.55, [0] = -3.45, [1] = -3.35, [2] = -3.25, [3] = -3.15, [4] = -3.05, [5] = -2.95, [6] = -2.85, [7] = -2.75, [8] = -2.65, [9] = -2.55, [10] = -2.45, [11] = -2.35, [12] = -2.25, [13] = -2.15, [14] = -2.05, [15] = -1.95, [16] = -1.85, [17] = -1.75, [18] = -1.65, [19] = -1.55, [20] = -1.45, [21] = -1.35, [22] = -1.25, [23] = -1.15, [24] = -1.05, [25] = -0.95, [26] = -0.85, [27] = -0.75, [28] = -0.65, [29] = -0.55, [30] = -0.45, [31] = -0.35, [32] = -0.25, [33] = -0.15, [34] = -0.05, [35] = 0.05, [36] = 0.15, [37] = 0.25, [38] = 0.35, [39] = 0.45, [40] = 0.55, [41] = 0.65, [42] = 0.75, [43] = 0.85, [44] = 0.95, [45] = 1.05, [46] = 1.15, [47] = 1.25, [48] = 1.35, [49] = 1.45, [50] = 1.55, [51] = 1.65}, [73] = {[-7] = -4.05, [-6] = -3.95, [-5] = -3.85, [-4] = -3.75, [-3] = -3.65, [-2] = -3.55, [-1] = -3.45, [0] = -3.35, [1] = -3.25, [2] = -3.15, [3] = -3.05, [4] = -2.95, [5] = -2.85, [6] = -2.75, [7] = -2.65, [8] = -2.55, [9] = -2.45, [10] = -2.35, [11] = -2.25, [12] = -2.15, [13] = -2.05, [14] = -1.95, [15] = -1.85, [16] = -1.75, [17] = -1.65, [18] = -1.55, [19] = -1.45, [20] = -1.35, [21] = -1.25, [22] = -1.15, [23] = -1.05, [24] = -0.95, [25] = -0.85, [26] = -0.75, [27] = -0.65, [28] = -0.55, [29] = -0.45, [30] = -0.35, [31] = -0.25, [32] = -0.15, [33] = -0.05, [34] = 0.05, [35] = 0.15, [36] = 0.25, [37] = 0.35, [38] = 0.45, [39] = 0.55, [40] = 0.65, [41] = 0.75, [42] = 0.85, [43] = 0.95, [44] = 1.05, [45] = 1.15, [46] = 1.25, [47] = 1.35, [48] = 1.45, [49] = 1.55, [50] = 1.65, [51] = 1.75}, [72] = {[-7] = -3.95, [-6] = -3.85, [-5] = -3.75, [-4] = -3.65, [-3] = -3.55, [-2] = -3.45, [-1] = -3.35, [0] = -3.25, [1] = -3.15, [2] = -3.05, [3] = -2.95, [4] = -2.85, [5] = -2.75, [6] = -2.65, [7] = -2.55, [8] = -2.45, [9] = -2.35, [10] = -2.25, [11] = -2.15, [12] = -2.05, [13] = -1.95, [14] = -1.85, [15] = -1.75, [16] = -1.65, [17] = -1.55, [18] = -1.45, [19] = -1.35, [20] = -1.25, [21] = -1.15, [22] = -1.05, [23] = -0.95, [24] = -0.85, [25] = -0.75, [26] = -0.65, [27] = -0.55, [28] = -0.45, [29] = -0.35, [30] = -0.25, [31] = -0.15, [32] = -0.05, [33] = 0.05, [34] = 0.15, [35] = 0.25, [36] = 0.35, [37] = 0.45, [38] = 0.55, [39] = 0.65, [40] = 0.75, [41] = 0.85, [42] = 0.95, [43] = 1.05, [44] = 1.15, [45] = 1.25, [46] = 1.35, [47] = 1.45, [48] = 1.55, [49] = 1.65, [50] = 1.75, [51] = 1.85}, [71] = {[-7] = -3.85, [-6] = -3.75, [-5] = -3.65, [-4] = -3.55, [-3] = -3.45, [-2] = -3.35, [-1] = -3.25, [0] = -3.15, [1] = -3.05, [2] = -2.95, [3] = -2.85, [4] = -2.75, [5] = -2.65, [6] = -2.55, [7] = -2.45, [8] = -2.35, [9] = -2.25, [10] = -2.15, [11] = -2.05, [12] = -1.95, [13] = -1.85, [14] = -1.75, [15] = -1.65, [16] = -1.55, [17] = -1.45, [18] = -1.35, [19] = -1.25, [20] = -1.15, [21] = -1.05, [22] = -0.95, [23] = -0.85, [24] = -0.75, [25] = -0.65, [26] = -0.55, [27] = -0.45, [28] = -0.35, [29] = -0.25, [30] = -0.15, [31] = -0.05, [32] = 0.05, [33] = 0.15, [34] = 0.25, [35] = 0.35, [36] = 0.45, [37] = 0.55, [38] = 0.65, [39] = 0.75, [40] = 0.85, [41] = 0.95, [42] = 1.05, [43] = 1.15, [44] = 1.25, [45] = 1.35, [46] = 1.45, [47] = 1.55, [48] = 1.65, [49] = 1.75, [50] = 1.85, [51] = 1.95}, [70] = {[-7] = -3.75, [-6] = -3.65, [-5] = -3.55, [-4] = -3.45, [-3] = -3.35, [-2] = -3.25, [-1] = -3.15, [0] = -3.05, [1] = -2.95, [2] = -2.85, [3] = -2.75, [4] = -2.65, [5] = -2.55, [6] = -2.45, [7] = -2.35, [8] = -2.25, [9] = -2.15, [10] = -2.05, [11] = -1.95, [12] = -1.85, [13] = -1.75, [14] = -1.65, [15] = -1.55, [16] = -1.45, [17] = -1.35, [18] = -1.25, [19] = -1.15, [20] = -1.05, [21] = -0.95, [22] = -0.85, [23] = -0.75, [24] = -0.65, [25] = -0.55, [26] = -0.45, [27] = -0.35, [28] = -0.25, [29] = -0.15, [30] = -0.05, [31] = 0.05, [32] = 0.15, [33] = 0.25, [34] = 0.35, [35] = 0.45, [36] = 0.55, [37] = 0.65, [38] = 0.75, [39] = 0.85, [40] = 0.95, [41] = 1.05, [42] = 1.15, [43] = 1.25, [44] = 1.35, [45] = 1.45, [46] = 1.55, [47] = 1.65, [48] = 1.75, [49] = 1.85, [50] = 1.95, [51] = 2.05}, [69] = {[-7] = -3.65, [-6] = -3.55, [-5] = -3.45, [-4] = -3.35, [-3] = -3.25, [-2] = -3.15, [-1] = -3.05, [0] = -2.95, [1] = -2.85, [2] = -2.75, [3] = -2.65, [4] = -2.55, [5] = -2.45, [6] = -2.35, [7] = -2.25, [8] = -2.15, [9] = -2.05, [10] = -1.95, [11] = -1.85, [12] = -1.75, [13] = -1.65, [14] = -1.55, [15] = -1.45, [16] = -1.35, [17] = -1.25, [18] = -1.15, [19] = -1.05, [20] = -0.95, [21] = -0.85, [22] = -0.75, [23] = -0.65, [24] = -0.55, [25] = -0.45, [26] = -0.35, [27] = -0.25, [28] = -0.15, [29] = -0.05, [30] = 0.05, [31] = 0.15, [32] = 0.25, [33] = 0.35, [34] = 0.45, [35] = 0.55, [36] = 0.65, [37] = 0.75, [38] = 0.85, [39] = 0.95, [40] = 1.05, [41] = 1.15, [42] = 1.25, [43] = 1.35, [44] = 1.45, [45] = 1.55, [46] = 1.65, [47] = 1.75, [48] = 1.85, [49] = 1.95, [50] = 2.05, [51] = 2.15}, [68] = {[-7] = -3.55, [-6] = -3.45, [-5] = -3.35, [-4] = -3.25, [-3] = -3.15, [-2] = -3.05, [-1] = -2.95, [0] = -2.85, [1] = -2.75, [2] = -2.65, [3] = -2.55, [4] = -2.45, [5] = -2.35, [6] = -2.25, [7] = -2.15, [8] = -2.05, [9] = -1.95, [10] = -1.85, [11] = -1.75, [12] = -1.65, [13] = -1.55, [14] = -1.45, [15] = -1.35, [16] = -1.25, [17] = -1.15, [18] = -1.05, [19] = -0.95, [20] = -0.85, [21] = -0.75, [22] = -0.65, [23] = -0.55, [24] = -0.45, [25] = -0.35, [26] = -0.25, [27] = -0.15, [28] = -0.05, [29] = 0.05, [30] = 0.15, [31] = 0.25, [32] = 0.35, [33] = 0.45, [34] = 0.55, [35] = 0.65, [36] = 0.75, [37] = 0.85, [38] = 0.95, [39] = 1.05, [40] = 1.15, [41] = 1.25, [42] = 1.35, [43] = 1.45, [44] = 1.55, [45] = 1.65, [46] = 1.75, [47] = 1.85, [48] = 1.95, [49] = 2.05, [50] = 2.15, [51] = 2.25}, [67] = {[-7] = -3.45, [-6] = -3.35, [-5] = -3.25, [-4] = -3.15, [-3] = -3.05, [-2] = -2.95, [-1] = -2.85, [0] = -2.75, [1] = -2.65, [2] = -2.55, [3] = -2.45, [4] = -2.35, [5] = -2.25, [6] = -2.15, [7] = -2.05, [8] = -1.95, [9] = -1.85, [10] = -1.75, [11] = -1.65, [12] = -1.55, [13] = -1.45, [14] = -1.35, [15] = -1.25, [16] = -1.15, [17] = -1.05, [18] = -0.95, [19] = -0.85, [20] = -0.75, [21] = -0.65, [22] = -0.55, [23] = -0.45, [24] = -0.35, [25] = -0.25, [26] = -0.15, [27] = -0.05, [28] = 0.05, [29] = 0.15, [30] = 0.25, [31] = 0.35, [32] = 0.45, [33] = 0.55, [34] = 0.65, [35] = 0.75, [36] = 0.85, [37] = 0.95, [38] = 1.05, [39] = 1.15, [40] = 1.25, [41] = 1.35, [42] = 1.45, [43] = 1.55, [44] = 1.65, [45] = 1.75, [46] = 1.85, [47] = 1.95, [48] = 2.05, [49] = 2.15, [50] = 2.25, [51] = 2.35}, [66] = {[-7] = -3.35, [-6] = -3.25, [-5] = -3.15, [-4] = -3.05, [-3] = -2.95, [-2] = -2.85, [-1] = -2.75, [0] = -2.65, [1] = -2.55, [2] = -2.45, [3] = -2.35, [4] = -2.25, [5] = -2.15, [6] = -2.05, [7] = -1.95, [8] = -1.85, [9] = -1.75, [10] = -1.65, [11] = -1.55, [12] = -1.45, [13] = -1.35, [14] = -1.25, [15] = -1.15, [16] = -1.05, [17] = -0.95, [18] = -0.85, [19] = -0.75, [20] = -0.65, [21] = -0.55, [22] = -0.45, [23] = -0.35, [24] = -0.25, [25] = -0.15, [26] = -0.05, [27] = 0.05, [28] = 0.15, [29] = 0.25, [30] = 0.35, [31] = 0.45, [32] = 0.55, [33] = 0.65, [34] = 0.75, [35] = 0.85, [36] = 0.95, [37] = 1.05, [38] = 1.15, [39] = 1.25, [40] = 1.35, [41] = 1.45, [42] = 1.55, [43] = 1.65, [44] = 1.75, [45] = 1.85, [46] = 1.95, [47] = 2.05, [48] = 2.15, [49] = 2.25, [50] = 2.35, [51] = 2.45}, [65] = {[-7] = -3.25, [-6] = -3.15, [-5] = -3.05, [-4] = -2.95, [-3] = -2.85, [-2] = -2.75, [-1] = -2.65, [0] = -2.55, [1] = -2.45, [2] = -2.35, [3] = -2.25, [4] = -2.15, [5] = -2.05, [6] = -1.95, [7] = -1.85, [8] = -1.75, [9] = -1.65, [10] = -1.55, [11] = -1.45, [12] = -1.35, [13] = -1.25, [14] = -1.15, [15] = -1.05, [16] = -0.95, [17] = -0.85, [18] = -0.75, [19] = -0.65, [20] = -0.55, [21] = -0.45, [22] = -0.35, [23] = -0.25, [24] = -0.15, [25] = -0.05, [26] = 0.05, [27] = 0.15, [28] = 0.25, [29] = 0.35, [30] = 0.45, [31] = 0.55, [32] = 0.65, [33] = 0.75, [34] = 0.85, [35] = 0.95, [36] = 1.05, [37] = 1.15, [38] = 1.25, [39] = 1.35, [40] = 1.45, [41] = 1.55, [42] = 1.65, [43] = 1.75, [44] = 1.85, [45] = 1.95, [46] = 2.05, [47] = 2.15, [48] = 2.25, [49] = 2.35, [50] = 2.45, [51] = 2.55}, [64] = {[-7] = -3.15, [-6] = -3.05, [-5] = -2.95, [-4] = -2.85, [-3] = -2.75, [-2] = -2.65, [-1] = -2.55, [0] = -2.45, [1] = -2.35, [2] = -2.25, [3] = -2.15, [4] = -2.05, [5] = -1.95, [6] = -1.85, [7] = -1.75, [8] = -1.65, [9] = -1.55, [10] = -1.45, [11] = -1.35, [12] = -1.25, [13] = -1.15, [14] = -1.05, [15] = -0.95, [16] = -0.85, [17] = -0.75, [18] = -0.65, [19] = -0.55, [20] = -0.45, [21] = -0.35, [22] = -0.25, [23] = -0.15, [24] = -0.05, [25] = 0.05, [26] = 0.15, [27] = 0.25, [28] = 0.35, [29] = 0.45, [30] = 0.55, [31] = 0.65, [32] = 0.75, [33] = 0.85, [34] = 0.95, [35] = 1.05, [36] = 1.15, [37] = 1.25, [38] = 1.35, [39] = 1.45, [40] = 1.55, [41] = 1.65, [42] = 1.75, [43] = 1.85, [44] = 1.95, [45] = 2.05, [46] = 2.15, [47] = 2.25, [48] = 2.35, [49] = 2.45, [50] = 2.55, [51] = 2.65} }

Hi In relation to editing Bankler's CASE1 recovery trainer i have managed to develop a script that can retrieve a named units magnetic heading from calculations off a table that has to be adjusted according to Date and theater (i used Grok to create the table for me - worked really good). The script is of course created for a carrier, but i guess it would work for any named unit. If any of you are interested i can post the script here

I'm sorry if you got confused from the grammatical errors there t1mb0b, not my intention and it is now corrected. There is really no need to dumb down on other members posts if you want to write you own guide or learning points to the OP. I was simply stating a few points i discovered flying the pattern, and not all of them are in Wags videos, some are from other videos others are own observations. Again - my deepest apologies for the gross misuse of the English language