Azrayen

OK you're right on that. :) The fact remains that you can't just maintain AP standby from before touching down, because then the trim will have been set when you were still flying, and assuming correct approach flight path, it won't be neutral trim. So, in effect, the virtual pilot maintaining the AP standby pressed during touch down will, like the real pilot, have to release his grip, then press it again, to get the alarm off. You may say (and be right) that the RL pilot would only need to release it, but remember where is this command in the RL aircraft: I you take the stick in hand firmly, you press it! Uh? I didn't ever have this on the 2000. Not now, not earlier. :huh: Oh, OK thanks :thumbup: Not that important, but anyway: you're supposed to switch off AP at or before 200ft height in this aircraft. :book: Regards, Az'

What caution? Do you mean the "S" light under the button? That's not a caution, just an indication that the mode is Selected. :) Maybe that's when you do that, that the amber Master Caution comes On ;) BTW you're not "enabling" the limiter (it's always enabled); you're setting it to the "heavy load" setting. I don't think it's necessary for landing when you've a light aircraft, and it reduces your maneuverability. Of course, if you don't use trim, it lowers the inconfort... but you shall use trim instead :) This command doesn't guarantee you a neutral trim. It sets the trim to the correct position for the current flight conditions. Sure, at high speed before beginning approach, you've most chances it will come with a trim neutral result. But it's difficult to know for sure (unless using RCTRL+Enter, kinda "cheating"). When the aircraft feels WoW (main LG), then the trim will be set to "Ground/TakeOff/Neutral" position. This is sure certainty. :thumbup: Nope. :no_sad: It may be more, it may be less. Depending on your aircraft's weight at the time. Speed doesn't really matter: if AoA is OK (and weight is within limits) then you're good. :thumbup: :huh: raising the nose should be enough. On the contrary, if you make your approach with the correct AoA, you may need to slightly decrease thrust to ensure touchdown. Do you fly your approach at 14° AoA? :thumbup: In fact the NWS should be enabled when still inflight (the first version of Razbam's manual got that wrong, and so did many "tutorials" or guides based upon it. NSW automatically disengages. This is definitely where we differ. I explained why above. But if it suits you, feel free! It's your aircraft after all :) I'm sorry, Gary, I don't need to try it to know I won't like it: 1/ performing an approach without using trim is unconfortable for me, and for most pilots I know both in sim and in reality (and comparatively, it's alse less safe because it increases pilot's workload). 2/ it's not how it's done IRL; I prefer simulating the IRL way of doing things, usually it works (mostly it works better than imaginative alternative ways ;)) ++ Az'

Nor did I say it does. I used force feedback words for simmers joysticks, because it's how they're called :) This is what I called "artificial feeling system"; sorry if it wasn't crystal clear.:unsure: ++ Az'

I don't believe it works. I tested it to be sure, and got the alarm. So either it's a luck thing, either I haven't been able to reproduce what you do exactly. What you call "my" version is the way it's done IRL (so I would go as far as to say it considers very well the real word situation ;)). Now, feel free to diverge from that if you feel better, it's not at all a concern for me :)

Bonjour à tous, Newsletter du 9 février 2018. (désolé, un poil à la bourre) Résumé : - Situation de DCS 2.5 en OB - Soldes sur les voilures tournantes pour fêter ça - Un mot sur le Hornet - De nouveaux modèles 3D, so british Bonne lecture ! ++ Az'

they look alike? ;)

No need, it's fixed now. :thumbup: Don't know if it's hotfix1 or hotfix2, but one of them did the trick :)

Caution, this is wrong. Before landing, it will trim the aircraft for current flying condition. It may be that it's trim neutral, but that's sheer chance, and most probably won't be the case when approaching at 14° AoA ;)

Yeah, it's the same for me (and I guess everyone). By the way, Daniel, we call those symbols "seagulls" ;) (they miss a side to be called triangle)

Hello Tim Yeah I noticed that too. Did you check material properties and so on? It seems weird, as other shadows are correctly casted. Wouldn't adding a "false" fuselage in the 3D model of the cockpit give a better result? This issue also give weird results for the strobe lights in F2 view sometimes (or did, I didn't re-check recently I must admit). ++ Az'

More precisely, they do work as long as you haven't weapons on inner wing pylons: The only thing to correct in this case (see the VTB showing the payload) is the RK button position on the PCA, and the S/P lights under two buttons instead of one: = = = = = = = Now, there may a bug, preventing fire, as this (and this only) may (note: I'm even not sure) be supposed to work (and doesn't, we only have the INT button when the rockets are on the external pylon as shown by the VTB): But it's easy to circumvent: simply put the Magic on external pylons (plus it's more logic to have them here), and rockets on inner pylons; this way no prob. ++ Az'

@ Martini: about post #66:I'm not sure of what you mean exactly, but I will say this: - the aircraft doesn't automatically trim in roll (nor pitch) with AP Off, - the aircraft automatically trims in roll and pitch with AP On, in this case the pilot can't trim himself, as the trim hat now gives orders (route/heading and flight path) to the AP. So when you have an inbalance (due to weapons assymetrical or any other reason) you need to trim manually; or engage the AP, it will do it for you. AFAIK this is correctly implemented since a long time (I will say at least one year). about post #67: Yeah, I was talking about the real aircraft: it has an artificial feeling system, the stick may be "harder" due to this; in this case, "naturally", the pilot does trim to releave the pressure he has to counter to keep the stick where he wants it. :) We don't have artificial feeling system on our joysticks (except those using force feedback, and even there I'm not sure artificial feeling has been implemented in DCS M-2000C). Regards, Az'

Yes. "FAIB." is short for faible = low/dim. (and "FORT" means bright in this context).

I don't agree that it's "crazy" or "unacceptable"; but then I don't understand what you mean by "Then there is round out to touchdown". Remind that in the real aircraft, if you have the stick firmly in hand (which you DO when you pilot a landing), then you press the AP standby; by design; without thinking it. You would have to let go the stick to get to the "AP standby not pressed" situation. => This is what pilots do, consciously: they open their fingers, the AP stand by gets unpressed = the trims are resetted, then almost immediately they close their hand on the stick and resume manual flying (the AP stand by get re-pressed of course as soon as they close their hand on the stick). What you were expecting: trim reset while AP standby pressed. What is (correctly BTW) happening: trim reset when AP standby is released. ++ Az'

OTOH, when it's slow (and it is, in one of the 2 ways), it's the technical cause of the "I loose PID lock" issue :smartass: :doh: No, RDI isn't PESA.

Yeah, it's kinda like Winter ;)

Indeed! :) The control is also what jojo said on post #3 (page 1). You added/guessed the part about the wheels, which we didn't explain. (perhaps we were feeling it was not needed as it was obvious for us that using that control before main wheel touch down wasn't going to make the trim go neutral, and using it after front wheel touch down wasn't going to prevent the alarm? sorry in this case)

I'm trying this now :) [edit] Reproduced! + info sent to Razbam. Hum, more simply, number of threats detected as seen by the D2M? You rolling = Detection/End Detection/Detection/End Detection... and so on, for the same threat.

Is it? I feel it's totally logic.:huh:

Agreed with both those points. This is straightforward, and by the way this is also how it's done IRL. Pre-requisite: Have the AP Stand By button mapped on your joystick. For those having a HOTAS Warthog, my personal advice is to use the "trigger" in front of the stick for this mapping. Now, the sequence: - aircraft with AP On (green) takes the approach path - at 200ft or before, the pilot shuts off the AP; there is also a button for this on the stick (*) => the aircraft is now flown manually, and has been trimmed for correct approach by the AP before it was shut off - land the aircraft (flare, touch down) - during the aerodynamic braking (main wheels on the ground, nose wheel still in the air), press once the AP stand by. => the trim is resetted to default T/O setting; hence no alarm will be triggered when the A/C will sense it has all wheels on the ground - before deccelerating to 100kt, land the nose wheel - use wheel brakes (and parachute if emergency/abnormal situation) - vacate runway, taxi to parking - debrief, have a beer. ++ Az'

Why reviving this topic? :huh:

You looking for something clickable? It isn't. Wouldn(t be practical due to location "in front" of the stick.

No. The map is a good help to understand. Draw the imaginary point you want to make as VAD on it. Now: From the TCN station of Kobuleti, in what direction do you go to arrive at this imaginary point? Will you get there if you depart Kobuleti on a 244° heading? I fear you won't. Remember: the VAD is drawn "from" the TACAN, because the TACAN beacon is the "only" valide reference point when you draw the VAD. Fast jet. Slow pilot (usually) (it's still the case for me sometimes and I'm not a beginner anymore since a long time). So yeah, 7NM seems a minimum in IMC. Don't be afraid to double that distance for starters. :) Regards, Az'

Yes indeed, it's been implemented for quite some time actually :) No you didn't indeed. Yes this changed, I'm aware ;) But I understood you were answering to Martini about being "trimmed for takeoff"; so for this question, what happens once airborne is moot. ++ Az' PS: I fear no Walter.

Uh uh :) We don't, BUT when eyes don't help, logic may: If he wasn't trimmed for takeoff, what would have occured? Oh, yeah, the big red DECOL warning. Any warning (amber or red) = take off forbidden. Would he have took off with the very same warning telling him precisely "don't; there is something wrong with your aircaft re: take off configuration"? (I like Occam's razor, BTW) I know you weren't asking me, but I may as well tell for the record that I don't (disagree with you). Not by principle anyway. And not here precisely, either. Absolutely. :) Hmmm no, it is the opposite of half the opposite (no, I don't sell brain pain-killer drugs, why do you ask? :D) AP is certainly not needed in (air) combat: at this time, the bloody thing is off! OTOH, trim certainly is needed/useful then, because of the reasons Martini wrote (I would just not agree on "minimal amount" ;)) FWIW, the (tiny) brain of a 2000C FBW doesn't really care: either it trims (in both pitch and roll), either it doesn't (in neither pitch nor roll). In this sense, it's relevant. Yaw is of course a bit jealous, but it's already managed by FBW (*) so... too bad for it! (*) unless serious failure condition. Regards; and cheers! Az'