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Maybe on Intel CPU's thats true however on AMD side of things you can get 20-30% more performance due to memory speeds because the interconnects between the 2 quad core modules operate at the speed of the memory. This is huge, the bad part is that pricing hikes coincided with Ryzen launches. Otherwise that would be a cheap way to get more performance.

After I did my upgrade from 2500K to 1700x and then to 2700X I tested DCS and discovered it can use 7 full threads. So DCS is already past quad cores in the new engine. A 6 core will indeed yeld more performance however my testing revealed that a graphics card change will impact performance even more than the CPU does. The CPU change from the 2500K to 1700X gave me 14% more average FPS. When I changed from a GTX 970 to a 1080Ti it got me 68% more FPS. Finally when changing the 1700X to the 2700X this gave another 2% average which seems low, but on this time I was measuring the minimums as well and this improved by 16%. This test also revealed that the new AMD chips can keep up with a 1080Ti as it kept locked at 99% load during testing over Nellis (usage of both CPU and GPU will be lower over rural areas). If you have an I7 4790K then you would see a big improvement with a new graphics card but the 1080Ti will probably be bottlenecked by this CPU. In order to take the most out of it you need a faster CPU already. Nothing below an I7 7700K or an I5 8600K, in DCS optimum perfomance will be achieved only by higher core count above 4 cores/ 4 threads, and as ED implements more and more features of Vulkan I can expect going 8 cores could be a good idea then (we are not yet there).

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Top Gun 2: the Return of Goose? :huh:

disable Sense Mi in bios (the referred temperature offset) and use SVI2 TFN voltage sensors within HWinfo 64.

since ED has changed the API in DCS 2.5, converting to VULKAN and we have elements of it already.

Some boards use artificial temperature offsets, not to mention that there are more than one temperature sensors and some apps are reading wrong, it's a mess. You need to research for your motherboard BIOS options too see if there is such offset, and what apps can read the correct values. I use hwinfo 64 and it reads 2 different te. PS for that cpu, you need to choose the correct o é and hide the other one

Clock for clock per core both CPU's are nearly identical and DCS is using more than 4 cores right now, not to mention you can use those 32Gb as well. So use the R7 for DCS, give the I7 to wife.

Congrats gavagai. With the stock cooler maybe its not worth to be too daring with overclocks. Just make sure it can boost to the advertised boost speeds by, for example, choosing the high performance power plan. If you leave on balanced it will be more conservative or hold the boost for less time. other than that I would only overclock the memory to at least 3200 Mhz to get the most out of it.

Forget that 1080, the 11 series are about to be released and a 1170 is almost as fast as a 1080Ti, thats the one you will want.

oh man block 50 with GE engines hmm hmm

Both CPU's are Unlocked, those 30$ more for the X is just binning and for out-of-the-box boost speeds. For overclocking you will get varied mileage, but beware that people are reporting less success bringing vanilla 2700's to X levels than it was for 1700 to X levels. Even within the same SKU people are reporting wildly different max memory speeds. I got lucky and I am the few who can run 32 GB's at 3533 but some cant even go past 3200 with just 2 sticks of same manufacturer (SAMSUMG B-DIE). But that should be sufficient. For me it was worth the change from 1700X to 2700X, because in single thread gaming it brought me 16% more minimum FPS and I still saved money because this years pricing on memory and GFX gotten so high that it covered the extra 320€ I paid for the new CPU. Note: it will run the same on the older motherboards as the new ones. The only difference between X370 and X470 lies in the new storage Mi tech that for me is not worth because biting the bullet for a full main SSD is the way to go, no reason to cheap out a high end system and create a bottleneck there if you can afford it anyway.

Well CPU utilization has varied between 13% and 43% when I tested my 2700X over Nellis map and that varied with the number of objects on screen (13% was above the desert while 43% was over the urbanized areas). ED has stated that DCS 2.5 already incorporates some elements of Vulcan API, so I lean towards the conclusion that higher the detail you set on graphics configuration, the more spread the detail will be across multiple cores. I would like to know the detail that this 2600K was configured to ingame, and the screenshot appears to indicate a rural area was used. I suspect at the time it was taken without a whole lot of objects visible. Both the CPU and GPU are lightly used and that doesn't look right for proper testing purposes. If you fly over Dubai or Nellis your going to see CPU bottlenecks for sure (hell even some cities in the Caucasus map will do that). I just dont think that 2600K can feed a 1080Ti because during my testing the GPU was locked at 100% even when the CPU usage dropped towards lower % (make sure VSYNC is off for testing purposes or else you cant compare FPS on different machines). If you are building a machine, you have 2 possible approaches to max your performance in DCS on the CPU side: 1- either you have an Intel 6 core clocked really high 2- or you go 8 core for more threads on AMD side of things (Skylake-X 8 cores performs on same level for gaming but costs a whole lot more) right now option 1 has an advantage in FPS numbers but that seems to be shifting away to 2 gradually. Not that you will notice a difference right now in your gaming experience, or heck even the price for the builds are similar.

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I saw that at the cinema back in 2005. As usual for these types of movies the plot is dumb , the acting average at best but I loved it. :D

Either the Intel 8700K or AMD 2700X CPU's will be fine. Out of the box the 8700K is faster for gaming but the 2700X is better at multithreading and enables you to do cheap upgrades as the motherboard will support future CPU's (the intel wont) but will need faster more expensive RAM as well if you want to take the most out of it. We expect next years 8 core AMD CPU's to beat intel's at much lower prices perhaps 300$ or lower (near 5ghz VS current 4.2). When overclocking both the 2700X will really close the gap on gaming and roflstomp the intel part in everything else. But you kinda need to win the silicon lottery and be good at overclocking. You can purchase a binned part here: https://siliconlottery.com/collections/pinnacleridge If you want to go the safe route just go for the 8700K. Intel will release an 8 core so called I9 8900K (official name not released yet) this summer which will predictably be faster in everything but expect much higher prices (requires new motherboard and chipset). The new NVIDIA GPU's will be released in July so I advise you to wait for a GTX1180 then. The reason is it will be 100$ cheaper and 25% faster than a 1080Ti (according to leaked specs). AMD will release new graphics cards this fall but based on VEGA on 7nm but dont expect faster GPU's than NVIDIA's own 1180's. They will be likely the new mid range affordable GPU's (rumour as fast as current GTX1080's). if you choose the 8700 you will need a 240mm AIO, the 2700X may require a 280mm, some people are getting 360mm ones. It really heats up in overclocks (deliding not recommended, it's soldered) You will need a 850W power supply (I got just a 760W but its seasonic) Currently DCS is GPU bound as I learned during last years upgrade going from a 2500K to a 1700X (changed the CPU first then GPU) I got a 14% boost with the new CPU, but with both new CPU+GPU I got a MASSIVE 68% boost in DCS. Then I got a 2700X and it upped 2% only in average FPS but 16% more in minimum FPS. It is using 7 full threads right now. You might want to take that in consideration when choosing the CPU.

threadripper 2000 series are going to be released this summer. If you can wait a bit longer...

these are my stable settings for the memory if anyone was wondering.

Not sure whats doing but I'm seeing alot of activity. I tested My new 2700X recently and at times it goes to 44% usage in DCS. That's the equivalent of 7 cores maxed out and a partial 8th.

Not only, it also includes the northbridge and the connections to the south bridge. So when you set the voltage to the SOC your applying voltage to multiple points of possible failure.

get the I7. DCS is using 6-7 threads right now.

Im running 4x8GB sticks, cannot run CL 14 @ 3533. Maybe 3600 CL16, I managed to boot on that but fails under stress testing. I'm waiting on better BIOS for more extensive trials.

If I wanted to buy 32 GB of 3866Mhz memory right now they would charge me a full 100€ more than my current 4266Mhz kits from last year (the fastest kits available in about may 2017). Yeah...

DCS will be fully converted to vulkan and that can leverage any amount of cores and graphics cards (using multi GPU tech and not SLI/crossfire anymore), though at this time the impact of going high parallelism on the graphics card side is totally unknown. So for now the sane decision is to get the best GFX you can get and thats it.