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I confess I had purchased both at pre-sales but only this last weekend did I spent time testing both at the same time and all I gotta say is: WOW, WOW WOW That was instant gratification. The Hornet flight model and contrail effects are easily the best I have EVER seen and that is by no means a small feat. Not only I am picky but I also regard sims from the 90's golden age very highly. To me some of those are really hard benchmarks to beat even today. I always heard and read that the F-18 was an angle fighter due to great low speed aerodynamic authority on those control surfaces. Indeed in the SIM I noticed that below some 320 knots you can yank the nose almost at will into high AOA where the F-15 would just go into a spin. This WILL be handy in air combat, but also a mindset change. No longer will the plane just turn harder. The nose AOA has its own life with the stick travel. Ever since I saw this in gaming magazines... ...I wanted to fly over a highly detailed city with sky scrapers. When I finally picked up strike commander from the mall back in 1994 and installed the game, only to realize that this map had like 3 buildings and the rest were just flat sprites. So naive. :D I only had to wait 24 more years to get the real deal. But was it worth the Wait! 8 core CPU's and a top of the line GPU got me sky scrapers all the way to the horizon in high detail at any altitude, and I can fly at street level, or fly a loop over a kilometer high tower (Burj Kalifa). I wonder what kind of radar clutter would it cause for our targeting systems? :D I am Happy So worth the investment. :)

Below you can see my testing of the 1080Ti @ 1440p with a number of games and benchmarks when I changed CPU this April. In DCS I used high detail preset on the NTTR map. You can see the results below.

reading into his question the minimization of stuttering might indicate that VRAM is the main variable due to DCS usage pattern as others have pointed out, therefore his choice of GFX should be focusing VRAM amount and not necessarily the GPU itself. This rules out 2080 or 2070 cards as both have only 8GB but the Ti models have 11GB. Therefore its a choice between those 2.

Well this clears a few things about DLSS, although I do have to advice some measure of salt due to lack of large scale implementation in the gaming industry. nS58xlzZsLI

What is the VRAM usage?

AMD is designing a new GPU arch codenamed Arcturus for consumers in 2020 to succeed VEGA on 7nm+. NAVI is for deeplearning and the only thing AMD has for gaming until Arcturus is a12nm version of polaris. So don't hold your breath.

By the time it does, if it does, the 4080Ti will probably be out.

"Politics of envy?" :huh: I paused and then giggled a bit. let me tell you a tale, this was back in the 1990's. They launched a new 3D accelerator called PowerVR and reviewers said it was so promising it "could" become the dominant 3D chipset above the established 3Dfx. I ran to buy It. 3 months later it dropped price to less than half and I was still waiting for games beyond a few half baked demos. A couple years after PowerVR was no more. Lesson learned: NEVER AGAIN WILL I BE AN EARLY ADOPTER. Specially when you get some reviewers writing in fat letters to "BUY IT NOW". Im not kiding, toms hardware wrote this pre launch (Tom no longer on-board) as did tweaktown after launch. Facts dont care about envy. And facts are laid out behind the BS filters and some more trustworthy reviewers. Unless you have DLLS games (which you dont) that 50% price hike will never be matched by 50% improvement (and thats only valid with a potent computer to install it in). All the buyers are doing is giving in to impulse buys even if they have old computers. The only thing I feel is not envy but rather am appalled and negatively amazed at the same time that this instinct is embedded in us and taken advantage of by big corporations all the time. The continuation of these practices over time continues to harm us customers.

Your talking about CPu reviews that in order to evaluate their speed a 1080Ti was used in all tests (the fastest GPU then). We are doing something totally different here, therefore those 10-15% improvement is an invalid point of reference and may/will be misleading compared to what youll actually get. We are talking about new GPU improvements with different CPU's. The performance improvement potential seen with a 2080Ti will only be as good as the CPU backing it up, with some additional caveats. According to GPU eviews an 8700K will bottleneck a 2080Ti @ 1080p with DX11 API (this is because a single CPU thread is used to feed the graphics card), therefore you should see reduced performance improvement in most games in those conditions compared to 1080Ti. The story goes on to say that the CPU bottleneck disappears and shifts back to the 2080Ti when DX12 or Vulkan is used on a modern game engine that can use more CPU threads for rendering, or when resolution is 4K (regardless of the API). In those conditions the 2080Ti does pull away said 20%-35% So your only chance is to have an 8700K and an 4K display to play in DX12/Vulkan, otherwise the 2080Ti is massive money waste. Taking this in consideration anyone who buys 2080Ti and keeps the old 4790k CPU is going to be more disappointed.

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wow and I thought 32 GB was massive overkill when I built this system last year.

wasn't there supposed to be a patch to normalize RAM usage?

have you seen the reviews online? Expect that for DCS and then look at the prices. I could be wrong but there are very few outliers in those benchmarks.

A 2080ti on a 4790k? You should have spent that money on the rest of the system first or not at all. Or buy a modern cheap cpu and something like a 1070ti.i was not going to say anything but seeing these kinda of impulse buys caused an impulse on me. :)

No only it loads things faster but it stops FPS dips due to stuttering and that is a huge advantage.

AMD will be stuck in the mid range with their polaris cards for years. We have more rumors of 7nm versions now. I wanted one large AMD GPU for my red build but I was forced to opt NVIDIA.

I have to agree with knock. Having a 1080Ti and looking at closest priced 20 series card you get ZERO performance gains on average for 100€ more in exchange for promised tech for future games. Which in light of the time frame of new graphics launches makes switching right now a nonsensical decision. DLSS? sure is cool. Ill wait until then to buy a new card, but that will be either a 3080Ti or a 4080Ti. The 20 series are built on a half node that is sun-setting (12nm from 16nm). So expect a short timeframe for the 30 series and a new node (8nm).

I'm not saying the cards are garbage. Ray tracing is experimental tech and the silicon is way too expensive for this generation. We used to get the new cards for the same price as the old ones. They are 50% faster than a 1080ti but also 50% more expensive , potentially will be replaced by cheaper and much faster cards on 7nm next year, therefore value is very low. Hence my conclusion that you'd be better off skippingthe 20 series if you have a high end 10 series.

Ray tracing is GPU intensive, and wont run well above 1080p. With these graphics cards costing around 1000$ and up, I dont see the point of having it and then run at that resolution when using ray tracing as the purpose of these cards is to run 4K otherwise.

the 2000 series are on transitional 12nm node, already peaked, and it will be short lived one. Next year gen with be 7nm it will feature double the cores and higher clocks. Ray tracing is a no go for first gen, so I cant regret to have smartly skiped this launch. ;)

My 1080ti scores 10000 almost exactly (by excess). I'm using stock settings. So between it and the 2080 FE there is Zero improvement with current status of drivers and games.

Don't get your hopes too high. Looking at the specs I'm not convinced.

RTX is on 12 nm but this lithography it will be superseded by 7nm next year so theres alot of speculation that NVIDIA might do a refresh of turing architecture with 7nm in 2019. That might enable more cuda cores and clocks at the same time.

the 7nm cards will be the interesting ones. They will be able to squeeze alot more cores and crank up the clocks at the same time.

NVIDIA's benches are full of misleading information, as usual. Wait for reviews.