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Another video show a combination with improved R-27T with propositional navigation updated as manufacturer described on his web site, but DCS doesn’t implement for our R-27T, At least not implemented for computing LA on our HUD and not implemented when missile leave the rail. For a track example see post number 32 and track 1 and see how missiles leave on pursuit.

A really good detail about launch without LA. They will see the contrail... what they gonna do next is dispense some counter measures mixed or flare only. Don’t worry:thumbup: . As you are doing a long range launch those will not be follow by the IR Head Seeker. will be only decoyed about 10km from the bandit and at this point he is already closer after his turn and the missile will have more chance to splash on his face because he is hotter than his flare left some km behind.

Notice The modern Su-35 with the wonderful R-27 par versions on his wings. R internal pylons T middle pylons. So yes is deadly combination: PS: video is from hours before. Not 1991 ex Warsaw Pact Migs weapons like GGTharos want to point here as old examples with old avionic.

So as mention before. Even when you lost the heat signature with the result of lose lock on IRST. If you see the F fighter is turning and is about 35km. You better override and launch to the last reticle position and spect a splash on his face

Stop talk about a weapon different than R-27. You are doing off topic keeping posting examples of a different weapon nothing have to do with this thread.

I think the question you were answer is more related with been less situation awareness when a passive missile as R-27ET is on his way to you. Instead of mention the AWACS action for enemy positions. Awacs have nothing to do about R-27ET launches in a frontline action. Runaway from Migs probably the best solution or hold it until run out of flares. Every time you runaway you lose Area so is a win win for R-27 users when have ECM/R-27

All the information GGTharos post in this forum is based on the MiG-29A ex Warsaw Pact version. He want to confuse people with downgraded first gen hardware and avionic.

IRST work together with radar. Doesn’t need a laser to get range. IRST for first generation MiG-29 was very simple and have not the same modes than later upgrades. IRST for first generation MiG-29 doesn’t have the same features in sensors and radar.

We are not discussing here the R-27 first batch export version. If you want talk about those missiles you should request a new Forum about MiG-29A and talk there about all the information given to west and been shared by ex Warsaw Pact members. We are talking about the official information shown in the missile export corporation from Russian Federation the original manufacturer and only capable to manufacture such technologies in the Ex USSR members.

I don’t see that crazy vibration.

It is one of the best A-A missiles now days. 3 variants (is what they declared for export) made to be ready for the most hard air combats conditions. The no Russian friendly here are claiming leaking information shared by Ukrainian and ex Warsaw Pact users of the first batch serie of this missiles. So the people against Russian technology in this forum are trying to represent the old head seeker Ukrainian made like the forever ever only R-27 in the world. After Soviet Union Collapse one of the first priorities in 21 century was update the missiles for every system Ukrainian share with Russia. Including Buk, S-300, R-27 and so on. The information you find now days in the russian export company for missiles is what Russia currently export. This information and description is something important and in many regards is not 100% implemented in DCS. So to be fair, something should be made. How long we gonna have R-27 missiles with missed features those have been already represented by the official manufacturer?

Where are the pictures?

I am impressed with the amount of CM dispensers. Good job

As you are the person contradicting an official statement. You must prove your words. The ball is on the side of developers. You have nothing to say about an official statement.

You can not be on top the manufacturer description. Your opinions worth absolutely nothing. Specially you are focused on change what is officially described. As you are irrelevant person in all about Russian missiles features. All what you said against an official description is worthless.

The R-27T have not the same PN method. Manufacturer explain that well. While manufacturer already confirm there is updated proportional navigation method, how come you want contradict the manufacturer? The zero evidence is made by you.

The missile already got the proportional navigation information from the IRST or Radar. The proportional Navigation doesn’t happen at the moment the missile leave the rail on the track I commented to you. Track 1 on the Post 32 in this thread. PS: should we make a video instead of the track?

I have in this forums years. You still don’t provide a single positive reason to improve Russian hardware in this forum. So why you ask? To reopen a debate about all the reasons you have for no improvements on Russian hardware. No thanks.

Пожалуйста, посмотрите на трек № 1. Вы можете найти его в посте № 32. Когда ракета запускается, она не выходит с направлением перехвата относительно траектории полета самолета противника. На самом деле, он отправляется в направлении позиции, которую он имеет в то время вражеского самолета. Не существует вычисления перехвата. Пожалуйста, посмотрите информацию, которую производитель имеет на веб-сайте. Пропорциональный расчет перехвата не работает в DCS для ракеты Р-27Т, Р-27ЭТ? PS: Вы считаете, что метод перехвата, описанный на сайте производителя we, хорошо реализован для ракеты Р-27Т, Р-27ЭТ? http://ktrv.ru/production/voennaya_produktsiya/rakety_klassa_-vozdukh-vozdukh/rakety_r-27t1-_r-27et1.html

Didn’t you get a try? The last track show a nice splash. I hope you are getting the same result.

I didn’t told you doesn’t work like been lockon, I just told you than been unlocked and self calculating the interception is more saving energy for the missile. I hope you got me now. Sorry that explanation was removed. But yes when you self calculate with unlocking then the final speed on impact is slight better. PS: now I can’t tell you the speed difference between both situations I am out of the Sim now. Probably about 400km/h difference. That’s is a important difference

This :thumbup:

Ok There we go again. Don't attack my post again please. I am trying to help community member to improve the combat skill in RU fighters. Thanks As you can see in my previous post. The R-27ET ones launched with lockon, this missile will take a interception trajectory to the last bandit position at the launch momentum, that happen because the homing head is on this direction seeking IR signal (this current implementation is not clear well simulated because we are not receiving updated proportional navigation method after been lock-on by our aircraft sensors, as the official manufacture for international sales explain. Moreover, seem the developers don't simulate the transmitted information to the missile of the target speed and trajectory in vertical and horizontal flight of the target been a silly action the missile go first to the homing head position, with this action they are ignoring the type of target (air moving target) the type of missile (Air to Air missile) I will say you don't like use that poor and unreliable simulation, because in this case what you need is a missile straight trajectory from the rail to an intercept point ahead of the current reticle lock, taking account variation in altitude respect your current altitude and vertical speed with vertical/horizontal direction. So what you need to do in this case is activate the Override, Point to a self calculate intercept point respect the reticle (look for bandit flight trajectory), Unlock and launch. see track below: R-27ET on the face-3.trk

Yes currently is the same way for all modules. At 50km range ECM have no effect. Easy and unrealistic for only one side for F-14 and now improved Aim-120 users.

Look here how a third party worry about the issue and quickly work on this regard for a different chopper in the SIM. I voted Yes. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=259511&highlight=Awacs