pepin1234

As you are not real pilot of a real Russian fighter your assumption seem useless trying contradicting the manufacturer information. http://eng.ktrv.ru/production/military_production/air-to-air_missiles/r-27t1_-_r-27et1.html

Данная ситуация является тактической ситуацией конкретного применения в бою ракет семейства Р-27. Если пропорциональная навигация нарушена, нарушена тактика

read the manufactured description for proportional navigation with target lock-on. Sensor of the aircraft have already a lock-on. Did you see the track?

Итак, я собираюсь использовать этот трек, чтобы продемонстрировать, что такой пропорциональной навигации не существует в DCS. Итак, ниже на первой картинке показан самый первый момент, когда Р-27ЭТ покидает рельс никому не известному. Пожалуйста, обратите внимание на тонкую красную линию, указывающую на определенную позицию (в данный момент это также мой самолет) Таким образом, примерно через 5 секунд (см. Часы на картинках) R-27ET запускает метод пропорциональной навигации только с помощью DCS ... удивительно, что эта ракета Air-Air начала искать перехват на последней позиции, в которой бандит находился в момент запуска. , Так что в основном для разработчиков DCS пропорциональная навигация для Р-27ЭТ была спроектирована против чего-то статического в эфире. (Пожалуйста, обратите внимание на красную тонкую линию, указывающую на синюю траекторию, созданную истребителем-истребителем, вместо обновленного метода пропорциональной навигации с захватом цели с помощью датчиков самолета, как заявлял производитель в характеристиках этой ракеты.http://ktrv.ru/production/voennaya_produktsiya/rakety_klassa_-vozdukh-vozdukh/rakety_r-27t1-_r-27et1.html Пожалуйста, смотрите трек. Вы увидите, что я запустил Р-27ЭР (ракета на самом деле попала в этот рисунок ниже) примерно через 15 секунд после запуска моего первого Р-27ЭТ ... Я имею в виду, что мы говорим о 15 секундах и посмотрите на картинку, чтобы увидеть огромные различия в расстоянии от цель и скорость в момент удара. В то время как Р-27ЭР с задержкой 15сек уже поражает цель. после этих 15 секунд R-27ER обогнал бедный R-27ET, который потерпел огромную трату энергии с той PN DCS, смоделированной для него. Эта симуляция имеет огромное влияние на российские истребители, потому что тормоз является наиболее важным фактором при использовании различных головок самонаведения в семействе Р-27 в DCS. Таким образом, моделирование в DCS для Р-27ЭТ основано на двух бесполезных огромных кривых траекторий, чтобы запустить метод самопропорциональной навигации с момента, когда тепловая инфракрасная головка самонаведения улавливает инфракрасный сигнал (но в этот момент эта ракета потеряла огромную энергию, готовая к запуску. мусор DCS) R-27ET on the face-7.trk

So I gonna take this track to demonstrate this proportional navigation doesn't exist in DCS. So below the first picture show the very first moment first R-27ET leave the rail toward nobody know. Please see the fine red line pointing to a specific position (it is my aircraft heading at this moment as well) So after about 5sec (see clock on the pictures) the R-27ET start a Proportional Navigation method by DCS only... amazingly this Air-Air missile started to look for interception on the last position the bandit was at the moment of the launch. So basically for the developers in DCS the proportional navigation for R-27ET was engineering made against something on static on the air. (please see the red fine line pointing to the blue trajectory made by F fighter instead of a updated proportional navigation method with target lock-on with aircraft sensors as manufacturer claimed in this missile features. http://eng.ktrv.ru/production/military_production/air-to-air_missiles/r-27t1_-_r-27et1.html Please see track. You will see I launched an R-27ER (the missile actually impacted on this picture below) about 15 seconds after my first R-27ET was launched... I mean we are talking 15sec and look picture for the huge differences in distance from the target and speed at the impact moment. While the R-27ER with 15sec delayed already impact on the target. after this 15sec the R-27ER overpassed the poor R-27ET that suffer a devastated waste of energy with that PN DCS simulated for it. This simulation has an huge impact against Russian fighters because brake the most important factor in the use of different multiple homing head in R-27 family in DCS. So the simulation in DCS for R-27ET is based in two worthless huge trajectories curves, to start a self Proportional navigation method from the moment the heat IR head seeker catch the IR signal (but at this moment this missiles lost huge energy ready for the trash by DCS) R-27ET on the face-6.trk

Ok continuing with the lethal combination of R-27ER and R-27ET. See track below. I have other track for you guys. In this track I want to point out the importance to keep pushing in a battlefield line. Notice that in this case I launch a lot of missiles just to show you which one hit first. Also keep attention in all my evading maneuvers because they are key to evade and keep pushing while they runaway the majority of times abandoning Air space for us to take it. So I gonna take this track to demonstrate this proportional navigation doesn't exist in DCS. So below the first picture show the very first moment first R-27ET leave the rail toward nobody know. Please see the fine red line pointing to a specific position (it is my aircraft heading at this moment as well) So after about 5sec (see clock on the pictures) the R-27ET start a Proportional Navigation method by DCS only... amazingly this Air-Air missile started to look for interception on the last position the bandit was at the moment of the launch. So basically for the developers in DCS the proportional navigation for R-27ET was engineering made against something on static on the air. (please see the red fine line pointing to the blue trajectory made by F fighter instead of a updated proportional navigation method with target lock-on with aircraft sensors as manufacturer claimed in this missile features. http://eng.ktrv.ru/production/military_production/air-to-air_missiles/r-27t1_-_r-27et1.html Please see track. You will see I launched an R-27ER (the missile actually impacted on this picture below) about 15 seconds after my first R-27ET was launched... I mean we are talking 15sec and look picture for the huge differences in distance from the target and speed at the impact moment. While the R-27ER with 15sec delayed already impact on the target. after this 15sec the R-27ER overpassed the poor R-27ET that suffer a devastated waste of energy with that PN DCS simulated for it. This simulation has an huge impact against Russian fighters because brake the most important factor in the use of different multiple homing head in R-27 family in DCS. So the simulation in DCS for R-27ET is based in two worthless huge trajectories curves, to start a self Proportional navigation method from the moment the heat IR head seeker catch the IR signal (but at this moment this missiles lost huge energy ready for the trash by DCS) R-27ET on the face-5.trk

The level of details is impressive. The 120Gb space required not so much...:D time to look for a 1Tb solid disc

Recently I have seen a new weapon announcement that show how defeat the R-27 incoming missile with an active new generation method, such I don’t like point here to not Off-Topic. There you can see how important is in the mind of engineers the real threat of R-27 family missiles. It is very well know the huge upgrade capabilities of such modular design and of course every change is obviously military secret. Taking that on mind, it is not reasonable implement improvements we don’t have idea about. NOW... if the manufacturer feel confident enough to put on sale certain developments like passive new homing head R-27P and share some information about some guided methods. Then is very deep the not inclusion and implementation of this confirmed developments. It is even more deep how many users spend time in behave with opposition against such improvements. Or people have nothing important to do, or they are child’s shitting all around. That disappoint a lot... but that have to do a lot about the soul of everyone.

About the video. The bug explanation about SAM position still on map even when SAM changes position. For my understanding is not clearly a bug. What I understand they still can record your position on his MFD moving map ones visual. So my advice for developers: better link the spot position with a trigger zone 300m. Ones unit spotted leave this area they should not be visual on map

I did a mission and found the same problem. If you set in payload a TV targeting missile. Every SAM unit will be spotted and destroyed at first even when SAM never turn radar ON. My solution was: put every SAM inside forest, when they are close enough activate a trigger to move SAMs out forward with radar ON on RED. Worked! PS: see tracks on this post for more info. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3600901&postcount=12

Missile went left while bandit goes right. What you missed in track?

If I have zero idea and you confirm exactly that R-27T have PN such it is what I am telling too. Then How many ideas you have? You just confirmed the same I told. I am not claiming nothing. I just telling look my post 32 track 1 you will see the missile leave the rail on pursuit and that’s wrong and is a waste of energy and speed. Of course there are other users here are telling have zero PN and that’s not correct. So as you are the person with such a power to judge how big ideas have everyone. Then do some read around the thread you will see what I am telling you

Thanks for your compliment. Your wishes to ask every single ground crew member rock :huh:

Yes this is the standard you wanna set as F pilot in DCS. But you don’t make rules here.

All your questions are answered in the official tactical missile corporation authorized state entity to export those weapons already on use in Migs and Su

It is an updated proportional navigation as official source confirmed. All your analysis to try to change the concept of proportional navigation is worthless it is a PN. Is not working like so from the first moment the R-27T leave rail go exactly contrary direction without interception calculation so is not implemented and is making R-27T waste energy making extra large curve.

Did you see my track 1 on post 32. You will see R-27T leaving the rail on pursuit. So is not 100% implemented maybe. I invite you doing the same activate override and turn the nose a bit to look for a possible interception point. You will see R-27T leaving the rail on pursuit. That’s why R-27T reach target with poor speed and energy.

As manufacturer clearly describe R-27T have an updated proportional navigation on the carrier. So we should have the option to get improvement for proportional navigation method taking account official description of the export representatives company of Russian federation. As community asked to improve western A-A missiles for a better implementation of PN. We have the right to ask for the same to be implemented as official sources confirm. If you see the track 1 on my post 32 you will see R-27ET leaving the rail on pursuit first to then go for a IR signature. That’s wrong and make the missile waste a lot of energy without a correct proportional navigation from the carrier as official source described. Your guesses are worthless. You all are not official sources. You are the guys that wanted R-27T be decoyed easily to get victory in an unrealistic manner so how come DCS should take account on your guesses and negative proposition against the enemy missile you will face. You want to reinvent the meaning of Updated Proportional Navigation. So for a weapon you use against R-27T users PN should be well accomplished and for the R-27T itself you want to change the meaning of the concept. Wow...

For navigation input. I don’t see any navigation system ADF or Doppler instrument for input in front seat. So I guess for any Navigation correction in instrument we should ask for drive hold it to front seat operator and focus on the navigation settings.

Look like gunner did some burst shots to the side with 12mm on the ground to dust cover itself. Smart.

True. Didn’t notice the green color. Anyway I don’t believe they gonna tell what that mean. At least they share some good information on the tactical missiles corporation web site. Notice the R-27P on this web site is a ridiculous head design never seen. Jajaja obviously They share Little enough to keep you asking how is everything. Lot of simulator for real pilots and old stuff to use in practice and go sleep for next day. It is not needs to tell anything other than what the export corporation show. A different situation is see the Upgrade information and keep telling again and again all what the 1991 western test show.

IRL depend of the mission they go with a combination of R-27R and R-73. In Syria they use this combination as there are not a real threat for Russian fighters. In DCS I have downed several times using a combination of long range missiles and terminating the bandit with R-73 on his face. Even when we still don’t get the R-27P and some others methods of missile navigation we still make some opposition. Just imagine with full equipment. Keep strong guys. Trolls are everywhere. Keep the faith up.

The upgrade options for a passive modularity system like R-27T and brothers is unlimited regarding technology development. It is only limited by the design itself if someday become developed a more advance design in aerodynamic features. Meanwhile they continue be the guy to use in combination with guided homing head they are doing outstanding job. It is a continuous developing in his lifespan.

Another important example: How do when the bad guy want face you back again. 1- wait until he pass the 90 degrees on your HUD arrow directional representation and launch the lethal combination. please also see all maneuvers defeating Two time bad guy missiles. See track below Notice that this combination only is currently possible with IR and radar missiles, missing the extremally lethal Passive head seeker R-27P. Also that type of missile is modular that mean head seekers and antenna modules are exchanged between R version and P (passive) version. Even when high Russian military statements have been made several year ago and Official manufacturer representor declared available http://ktrv.ru/production/voennaya_produktsiya/rakety_klassa_-vozdukh-vozdukh/rakety_r-27p1-_r-27ep1.html for export many years ago. DCS add instead more weapons for the fighters that fight against limited R-27 users. So you better practice practice with what they're giving to you. :thumbup: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/r-27p-r-27ep-maks-2005/ R-27ET on the face-4 Counter-Counter attack.trk

This video show a Su-27 In interception sortie. Notice in this case also with the configuration we commented on this thread. Two R-27T with Updated Proportional Navigation as the manufacturer describe in the official web site, but such description Is not implement 100% in our simulator. Also carrying Two R-27R but in this case on the belly pylons.