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So the longest ranged missile we have ir the R-60M? I was hoping for something with longer range, like 20km, to combat Sparrows.. R-33 would be awesome.. Could launch them very far away in a large group, then run... but i don't think the radar would allow it to be used to much potential

few pages back

could someone build a mission with all these points in, I'd love to fire up a chopper and spend an entire Saturday flying the Shark around to all the points

I'm glad ED did this, and to see some peace again. I'm really happy that everyone is happy(ier) with the new system. I could only afford to back $10 at the time, so i still get nothing lol, but I understand the circumstances and how it wasn't really feasible. I'll be cheered up if they release EDGE and roll out the mig soon :) Edit: I must say I'm still somewhat impressed with ED and how they listen to the community. I remember a fiasco like this happened when Mi8 went on sale :crazy:... and they gave me back a %70 coupon to use in the future,, (still havent used it yet, hmmm decisions)

Yes I understand where your coming from, that the $ amount is not as significant. But the principle of whats happening is whats fairly upsetting. It doesn't matter if its a $1 or $1,000,000 it doesn't change the fact that its as if ED got the work for "free", and now they are doing us a favor by giving us something, as they sell them and make a profit

Yes, but the point that everyone is trying to make is that there is money in those partially completed modules, and map, that were funded from backers. ED is now taking that work, and selling it in the future. Edit: Its not simply the $ amount, its the mere principle of whats going on. It feels like stealing

You people dont give anything up:book:

Yes! I meant KS and DCS dont mix!

All I can say here is that this is really unfortunate what happened. I'm not taking any sides but all I will say is that if ED didn't take on the project, I feel there will be a similar thread about that as well. I don't agree with how they spaced out the rewards tiers, and how everything is handled. I feel it is very unfair, and I understand the points about ED making money on partial work done paid for by the KS. The number one lesson I think we learned is to never fund a kickstarter (or beta product) ever again. They never seem to go right, and in the end everyone is upset. Lets hope ED tries to make it more fair, and that people can finally be at rest. This situation really sucks, and I'm right there with everyones pain.

+1 The name will be in the manual, that they wont even get!

I think what people mean by ED benefitting is that work had been done by RRG to the modules and map, and ED just acquired them when RRG went down.

I'd love to drop a nuke during a low altitude dogfight. "If I can't beat you, your at least comign with me" :)

I'm sure it would be disabled on most popular servers. Like 104th and such

Who needs a laser guided bomb, when you can just take out all the tanks at once. This might be more effective than the A10 for destroying stuff... Not recommend for Close Air Support though :smilewink:

Edit: Deleted myself. Sorry if I pissed off anyone :cry:

If this doesn't put the nail in the coffin for DCS Kickstarters I dont know what will!

Can someone help me here.. I paid $10 (I know its a small amount, but I knew it was too good to be true.) I wish I could have pledged more but i was unemployed at the time. Anyway... What do I get. Do I get to purchase the 3 planes i chose for $20, or do I get nothing??

Thanks. And lastly before I crawl back into my cave, do you have any comments regarding the effectiveness of different a/a missiles. I'm sure others are curious as well. Thanks :)

Thank you for the response Cobra. Really appreciate it. I hope the manual explains the missiles lol, just seems to be a lot of variants! I just hope one of the other missiles has some decent range to it. But I suspect not lol. Also glad to hear that the Kh-66 isn't as bad as it sounds. Sounds like it could be fairly useful at wrecking things

I don't believe it's possible to have r-33s. Maybe Cobra could give us some insight on all this stuff :)

Well dolphin did mention the asymmetric load issue as well. Not sure exactly what that entails toward use of the weapon. Also, even if I can manage to hit an object, I have no idea what kind of warhead it is. I doubt it could destroy tanks or anything. It's almost as if your better firing off a volley of unguided rockets. I really see it as useful as the mi8 is for ground attack. Except that you can run like hell if needed

Well in another thread I saw that Dolphin showed screens of the kh-66 which is a beam riding radar guided air to ground missile. It seems the radar beam is boresighted to the gun sight. When using it you need to flying heading towards the target, and after firing you need to keep the cross hair directly on the target as you fly down. Seems to very fairly tricky to me, as the aircraft will have to be extremely steady. One problem I see is that having to fly such a predictive path, AAA guns will chew you right up Edit.. if I'm not mistaken I don't believe there is a laser, the radar provides the range. But I may be wrong

So basically the best all around missile that we can carry is the R-60M? There are no longer ranged radar guided missiles that are actually effective? If I'm not mistaken that R-60M has less range than the Aim-9M, that the A10C carries. That means that even the A10 is deadly to us and that it may be a challenge to shoot them down, Unless we steak in on them without using radar. But that means that, it will be almost impossible to shoot down an F15 or Su-27. Is it correct that only the Mig-21Bison can shoot the R-77?

Please do a video firing the Kh-66 air to ground missile. I believe it is a beam riding, radar guided missile :)

And for next weeks video, wonderfully shot in EDGE, with Rudel flying wingman Lol couldn't resist