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Agreed, but I still hold to the MiG 21 managing energy better than the Mirage 2000. Look forward to finding out if I'm right in a couple weeks

I cannot get Pylons 1 or 2 to accept the X2 R-60 racks. Even when in game requesting rearm the crew will load it on to pylons 2, 3 and 4 but leave one empty.

The ASO pod was an extremely common upgrade to the MiG 21 Bis, and I seriously doubt any major operator of the MiG 21 today uses it WITHOUT it or a comparable mod. The "ppl" you are talking to are providing you with mis-information. I've known several people over the years who flew or maintained the Fishbed, the ASO was very common. The only operating Fishbed I have seen in real life had an ASO pod attached to it. Also there is no reason for a DCS MiG pilot to fly without the ASO pod unless they want to do a short takeoff with a SPRD, so comparing what both the aircraft had by default IRL doesn't really apply, since DCS is picking certain models of aircraft from a wide range of time and pitting them against eachother. The fact is unless our M2000 gets access to countermeasure upgrades it will stand at a major disadvantage countermeasure-wise.

The restrictiveness of the Fishbed's radar doesn't really have anything to do with Flares, because it is Radar. Flares DO matter, however, in the merge, and let's break down the two in the merge. MiG 21 *Up to 8 R-60M Heat Seeking Missiles *Comparable onboard Cannon *Probably better energy management (The MiG handles it's energy surprisingly well for Delta/Flying tail configuration *Good Roll rate, but inferior to M2000 *Comparable TTW ratio (.79 for MiG, .7x for M2000) *Ability to carry 64 (IIRC) flares in ASO pod -Inferior cockpit visibility -inferior gun sight -Inferior radar (we are comparing dog fighting ability primarily here) M2000 *Superior Gun site *Superior roll rate *Better forward and rear visibility -Major energy loss in turns -only 4 hardpoints -12 flares(!!!) That's just my assessment, but for a 1950s vs 1970s interceptor face off, you must admit the MiG has a surprising amount of advantages. I see myself being able to down some M2000C in my ol' fishbed, primarily because I will most of the time only have to worry about dodging two SARH missiles as opposed to many times that when fighting an F-15, and once I have defeated them, I know he only has a couple heaters left. When I go looking for trouble online in the MiG, I usually have 8 R-60Ms loaded up, and that gives me the ability to shoot 4 times as much as the M2000C. Of course I will be flying the M2000 plenty too! I just think writing off the MiG is premature

Either way it is good news! There is quite a list of RSBN navaids on the knee board!

Was flipping through the kneeboard when I stumbled onto a new page. RSBN Nevada!!! This was a pretty big deal to me because back when I submitted a Q/A question to Wags about if there would be RSBN/ARC/PRMG at NTTR he said it wasn't planned at that time. Looks like they changed their minds! Way to go, ED!

Just did an IFR ish crosswind landing gusting to 20. I'm extremely comfortable in the MiG but it still get's the palms sweaty. Was an awesome bird. And Congrats on walking away from 1000 landings! And not a shabby landing! A little slow but everything staying in one piece!

Agreed, as much as I love both aircraft, I think it's hats off to the Viggen in a DCS match up. Let's hope that can actually happen in the near future.

Aggressive? Oh good grief we are just debating. No one needs to get feelings hurt. And yes I couldn't help the comparison to the "Pipe dreamin" F-35 designers lol, since they also have a sort of "in theory" approach to never getting merged in air to air combat. My point is the MiG 21 is also a GCI vectored interceptor, but pound for pound has many more flares. And as for those who think the M2000 will hop on it's six no problem, lets remember the M2000 has even worse energy management traits (if I understand correctly) that the 21. I will fly both, but I think it's going to be a closer match up than people think.

What are you talking about? Flares in the real world are quite effective, and the DCS flares seem to be realistic and consistent with real world performance. What data do you base your criticism of DCS on? Please link as I would like to see. Furthermore did you just state that if you end up in a merge in a M2000 you are doing it wrong? That's ridiculous. Merges are sometimes unavoidable. . . You are thinking like a pipe dreamin F-35 pipe dreamer if you think you are seriously going to be able to skate around in BVR without ending up merged

I'm guessing at this point "It's [NOT] looking good for November" :/ Come on LNS, at least give us an idea what's going on!

Darn right, underestimating is a mistake I often exploit in the MiG 21. I think the Fishbed will be more of a challenge for the the Mirage than people think, particularly in that if the BVR shots miss (which the often do) the MiG may very likely have the upper hand in the merge, having more missiles and more flares

I agree, I too would really like to hear from the Devs on this. Even if this wasn't originally planned I think it would be crucial to increasingly the viability of the mirage against the other aircraft in DCS. Therefore I hope they will decide to add it. 18 flares just will not cut it, my MiG 21 can carry more that that! Heck, with my MiG being able to carry more missiles and flares, I should think the Mirage might be seriously threatened by it without at least this countermeasure upgrade!

OMG. This is incredible. This has to be ED or other 3rd party dev work, the level of detail and functionality is just way too high to be anything less. And it is shot in EDGE! ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN! Destination, the Straits of Hormuz

Sorry guys, I see now out dump file is empty. I think it was lost in the crash. I have a rig with 32GB of ram I'll be testing the mission on this week and I will post and crash results from that to this thread. Hopefully we can tackle this memory leak soon as it is the only thing holding us back from 1.5 multiplayer goodness. :thumbup:

Sorry, forgot to attach to first post. logs.zip

We are experiencing crashes after about an hour of multiplayer gameplay with about 9 clients. The crash happened more quickly when hosting with 8GB of ram, and much later when a machine with 16GB hosted. Because of this, we suspected it may be a memory leak. Please let me know if I can get you any more information. Logs are attached.

Meh, please do not! I wouldn't mind it but this is not Digital Civilian Simulator! Combat versions first I say :)

Lol yep.

I have both voice attack and the MiG 21, and am very proficient. Let me know if I can help

I second this!

We know you will, I just really look forward to looking forward to the module, if that makes any sense! I guess what I was driving at is since it sounds like the announcement and release are estimated to be close together, there won't be as much time for community based research and discussion about any WIP shots, videos or other media we get. You guys are killin us with the suspense as well, so that's a thing.

Yea but compare this to the Razbam Mirage thread. Look at the amount of input going back in forth between the devs and the community. It is a very positive thing for development (when the dev handles it right, and doesn't get hurt feelings...) in fact the community input has fostered improvement by bringing dev attention to deficiencies. I think that is being missed out on with this big secret squirrel thing.

This is awesome, Razbam! Thanks for sharing the WIP stuff and the good response to community input! Wish some of the other 3rd party devs would handle it like you guys! But hey I'll keep it on a positive note Cannot wait for the Mirage...:pilotfly: