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The 8700k was really not a great processor. It lacks the PCIe lanes that you'll need with more storage devices. If disk access is limiting your DCS performance and causing stutters, then faster storage would be a better option.

My point is that buying old hardware right before new hardware gets released is a bad idea, especially when the previous generation can't be upgraded past the 8700. 10nm parts are on the way, which means higher clocks, lower power consumption, less heat. When someone asks in this forum, should I buy new hardware now when next gen is months away? The answer is obvious: no. Regarding z370, take a look at the number of PCIe lanes, and you'll realize you'll be l bottlenecked with just one SSD. Should you wait for PCIe 4.0? Probably not worth it right now.

I see from your signature that you decided to buy inferior hardware that is susceptible to both Meltdown and Spectre, and has severe limitation in the number of PCIe lanes. It is obvious that you decided to purchase inferior hardware compared to what will be released in the next few months. More power (Watts) to your single-generation non-upgradeable motherboard too. Smart choice! :doh: To everyone else: do the smart thing, and wait for better Intel/AMD processors and Nvidia cards that are literally just a few months away. 2.5/Hornet aren't even released yet, you've already waited this long, what's another few months?

Wait for the next nVidia card release, and wait for either cannonlake or zen+. No sense buying inferior hardware right now.

Knowing how fast you're going and dodging missiles are only possible with VR? Give me a break. :doh: I've used VR in DCS. Main problems: Limited FOV, like looking through swim goggles. Blurry, can't read instruments. Target identification difficult because of limited resolution and blurriness. Screen door effect Discomfort with head mounted gear Stinky and sweaty head gear after extensive use (you might not care) I'm not saying VR is pointless, it's just far inferior to 4k monitors out right now, and the gap will widen further with the BFGD.

Here's the new world, according to you: TRULY AWE-INSPIRING!!!! :megalol:

Vive 2.0 looks decent, resolution improvement I'm sure will improve the quality of the DCS experience. I feel bad for the Vive early adopters being stuck with inferior hardware.

I figure at least $2000... Should be worth it, I'd imagine it would last for at least 5 years... Has dream specs that could only be superceded by 8k.

I think the BFGD will be awesome for DCS. High resolution yet 65". Will wait to see what HTC does with higher resolution displays.

Vulkan + DCS would be an amazing product. Glad to know ED is working on it.

The PIMAX looks fantastic, it really addresses most of the significant shortcomings of the oculus rift.

So, you're going to "enjoy" using your 1st gen hardware while everyone else is literally enjoying 2nd gen hardware from 2018-2022? Or, are you going to also buy Gen 2 hardware when you inevitably realize your Gen 1 hardware is actually garbage compared to Gen 2? :D Why buy once, when people can do what you do and buy twice? :doh:

Considering DCS isn't in 2.5 yet, Hornet isn't out yet, SOH isn't out yet, etc, there's no sense hurrying up a purchase before it's possible to even use DCS as it's meant to be used, i.e. with actual content. I haven't played DCS in about 2 years because of the sorry mess it's in right now. I'm waiting for what DCS will become, not its current state. I'm waiting for Volta, personally, because the 1080 platform has been out since early 2016 and it's due for a new platform. I wouldn't wait for next gen in 10/2016, but it's 10/2017, and the next gen stuff is right around the corner. When VR 2.0 comes out, I would gladly recommend that product over VR 1.0. VR 3.0? That's probably due in 2020 or later.

I've used both. They're not ready for primetime.

This looks ages ahead of what you would get with a 1st gen Vive or Rift. It'll be nice to finally read cockpit gauges properly in VR, unlike what you get with the Rift.

And I'm saying he shouldn't listen to the bad advice of the early adopters in this thread when they say he should buy a 1st gen Vive or Rift. It's bad advice to recommend going out and buying a 1st generation VR device. It is just bad advice, and you all should own up to it. Similarly, now is a horrible time to buy a 1080ti when the next nVidia card is expected in the next 6-9 months.

Third generation would probably be 3-4 years after second generation is out, when it'll only be a few months to a year before we get second generation.

I think it's stupid to buy a first generation device, when higher resolution displays are right around the corner. Being an early-adopter is usually a waste of money. It's not an investment when you simply waiting will provide a higher quality device for same price or cheaper. I'm not saying that PIMAX will be great, I'm just saying that if higher resolution devices are this close to reality, it makes more sense to just wait. Let's see what HTC does with the next product. And who knows, maybe scaling a 1440p image to a 4k screen is a better way to achieve higher resolution than just increasing the display resolution without scaling? Maybe PIMAX is onto something?

Just wait for the PIMAX 8k display. It will be 10x better than anything you can get with Oculus or Vive.

Despite what I said, I still ordered the module. And I don't even have DCS installed on my computer at the moment...

Can't wait to try the Harrier, once I'm done with every other module I purchased and haven't played yet. :cry:

1) "eventually" might mean 10 years or more. Look how long it has taken to get EDGE. 2) The worst part about 8700k and Z370 is the complete lack of PCIe expansion. You get one video card slot, and... not much else. Can't really maximize the processor if you can't feed the processor enough data. This is the worst part about the 8700k.

If games were properly coded for multi-threading, DCS included, everyone's game performance would be so much better. It's sad that it's 2017, and we still don't have decent multi-core support.

It depends on what you want to do. If you want to only do gaming, and you don't care about storage speed, add-ons, etc, then 8700k will suit you well. If you want more than one NVMe SSD, RAID, sound card, capture card, 4k video editing, 3d modeling, server hosting, virtual machines, etc, then the 8700k with its 16 lanes to CPU from video card, and 4 lanes to everything else, will not suit you at all. That's my dilemma: go with known faster gaming (8700k) compared with Threadripper, or go with a platform (Threadripper) which will be able to handle complex storage solutions and manipulation of large files for video editing. I want to start getting into 4k video editing, both for gaming and for real life needs, and the 8700k just doesn't cut it. Maybe once Intel gets its head out of its rear-end, we'll have mainstream Intel parts with more than 16+4 lanes. It's comically out-of-touch with the needs of users in 2017. The reason why I would caution against 8700k at this point is that if you are going for a 100% fast gaming solution, PCIe 3.0 will hold you back once PCIe 4.0 comes around. The throughput of 4.0 is so massive for video cards, that you can be sure that this standard will last you for the foreseeable future.

I think I'll go with Threadripper since I'm planning on 4k gaming anyways, and all processors are equivalent at 4k since the system is overall GPU-limited. Next generation I'll have a gaming-specific system, with Ice Lake or Ryzen2.