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Wow! thanks man.

не волнуйся, Я не обиделся. :D

Laivynas, if you can help with translation.:smilewink: Hi Araks, Understanding that much text is difficult, as I have to use the translator for that. Anyhow, on the things I do understand: First, in the English MiG-19 thread you asked for the inclusion of a rudder trimmer surface to the MiG-19P. I told you that most MiG-19Ps didn´t have them and only later MiG-19Ps, which share the same fuselage as the MiG-19PM had them, so I considered to not add one to DCS MiG-19P. Second, you told that the canopy locking and pressurization mechanisms were wrong and presented some drawings from the same mechanism on the MiG-19S. I presented full assembling drawings and a cockpit picture of the mechanism that are actually mounted on MiG-19P and PMs and told you that the ones you showed were from MiG-19S. Even then, you expressed some doubts because the drawings were in Polish language, even when radar versions of the MiG-19 were not produced outside of the Soviet Union. Do you want to see the same drawings in Russian language? Third, you presented a picture of a MiG-19PM right panels and asked why the MiG-19P was not like that. I told you, because the MiG-19P uses a different SRO. By SRO I mean "системa радиолокационного опознавания". Both the MiG-19P and MiG-19PM uses different SRO systems and control panels. The horizontal right panel(hydraulics and pneumatic systems gauges) on the MiG-19P is the same as in the MiG-19S. Only in the MiG-19PM they moved the gauges and installed the SRO panel, which also the MiG-19S uses, but mounted in the same panel as circuit breakers. that´s why I told that I can´t include all MiG-19 variants into a single one. On the modelling aspects, you´re showing screens of a MiG-19S cockpit and other of some gauges that show detailed modelling of screws, rivets, glass fixation to gauges bodies, etc, which are the ones I´m able to discern from those pictures. This is currently not possible in DCS unless the cockpits are really simple. That´s why I told you that DCS has a hard limit concerning the number of polys and the current MiG-19P cockpit is already high in the count. In general, the current MiG-19P cockpit you´re seeing is accurate in regards to the real one and I won´t put there anything that was never there. Also, the gauges bezels are being revised as well to be increased. That being said, I won´t be able to understand your reaction, because as this very same thread shows, I´m committed to make the aircraft as real as possible.

Hi oovaoosh, What is wrong about developers taking into account community´s feedback? Others have made quite substantial changes in their work thanks to the community, in our case, we are just polishing the details. As far as I have seen, the amount of changes requested by the community are more like small details and as I myself have pointed out, many requests are not possible to include because: - They are from different aircraft. - Game engine limits - it was never used on operational real aircraft. - etc... for example, I have been trying to explain to Araks that I can not include all MiG-19 variants into a single one and also that there is a hard limit in regards to how much 3D detail can be added. I know that many here think that since Razbam is a western developer, it´s harder for us to work on Soviet/Russian aircraft, but this developer writing here has more than 10 years of experience working with Soviet/Russian aircraft of several types. You can not also deny the fact that in our community there are also others that have the same or more experience, so I appreciate their feedback.

still WIP

Thanks Кош, I´m trying to make this look correct. By flat and "glassnes", what do you mean?

Hello I need that people posting different real cockpits pics of MiG-19 to realize that there are 4 main versions, the MiG-19, the MiG-19S, the MiG-19P and the MiG-19PM. Also, many have posted J-6 cockpit pictures. There are many important differences between the cockpits of all these variants. (different clocks, gauges, avionics, etc...) You´re right in this, but remember that I have to make sure that this modules run also on low to medium spec hardware. For instance, the fully modeled screws in Araks screen are a no go in DCS. I mean, if you have a GTX 2080 you will have no problem, but that´s not the case for everyone. Anyhow, I will see if I can correct those borders.

МиГ-19ПМ с различным CPO. Thanks Kachubey, I understand a little Russian, but for big parts I need a translator.

Those are from a Polish manual, which is a copy of the Soviet manual. Also, if I remember correctly, no MiG-19P was produced under license by any country (excluding J-6A). Polish aircraft were all produced in the Soviet Union. The drawings you show are from the MiG-19S, the MiG-19P and PM have different canopy closing mechanisms. edit: because the cockpit was both wider and larger.

MiG-19P Это от МиГ-19С

This:D

Помните, что это МиГ-19П. МиГ-19П и МиГ-19С имеют много отличий в кабине.

As far as I know, they do plan to improve the cockpit. The radar scale is using a normal map to try to simulate depth/glass carving. But on transparent surfaces, the representation of depth may be an engine limitation and what´s making it to look blurry.

Я улучшу текстуру передней панели. также, я закрепим авиагоризонт.

Hi Kaktus11, Sorry if I write the answer in English. I´m not able to answer this in Russian. 1) These cockpits were my target for a MiG-19P DCS cockpit: also, and actual, late series MiG-19P on Kurgan Aviation Museum. Why? because of all the reference material, they seemed as the most close to reality. Please remember that these are also museum pieces with not too good maintenance work. The cockpits you are showing are of a MiG-19PM, a Chinese J-6 and a Soviet early series MiG-19S which is in black and white. The first one has gone through a lot of museum maintenance and has a lot of paint layers on the cockpit panels, also going a bit out of the original color scheme. As you can check in the pictures I posted above, I tried to adjust for a better serviceable condition, semi-weathered cockpit for the DCS MiG-19P. Also taking into account MiG-15 and MiG-17 cockpits, or any other Soviet pre 1960 aircraft, were nowhere to be seen are violet or purple tones. I can agree that the front panel may need a little darker, more reflective metallic look and more wear. I tried to make it darker at first but it looked too dark within the engine. I will try to make this panel look better. For the phosphor based labels and instruments I use the same as on all the aircraft I now, which are white. They only shine at night with a greenish-yellowish tone. 2) What do you mean that some parts look flat? The entire cockpit panels are made in 3D, the only thing that uses normal maps there to simulate depth are labels and some rivets. There are even some screwheads fully modeled there. 3) About the flashlights. Can you be more specific? Do you mean that it looks polygonal? 4) Does this radar scale looks blurry? Sorry, but my monitors are 1080p, I can´t save images of bigger resolution while in game. please, don´t pay attention to reflection, it´s inverted, I already fixed that.:D

Well, to be honest is not a radar mode, more like how ground clutter/noise appears on the screen when the aircraft is flying low. Also, this is our own implementation and we are tweaking it continually so it looks realistic.

Google Translator, sorry. Привет, Андрей Что вам не нравится в текстурах кабины? Не могли бы вы объяснить, что, по вашему мнению, нужно изменить? Thanks

Coders are working on the pending systems, as soon as they finish an update will be posted.

Guys, sorry for missing telling that the Chinese cockpit is made by U-Boats! He´s doing a wonderful job and is helping a lot with cockpit and manuals localization.

Yes you´re right. Fixed now, thanks.:)

We plan on having them available from the start. Here you have some WIP pictures. We are also working on the same localization for DCS manuals.

The problem is that there´re many variants of the the RSIU-4V radio station. Of them, the most simple was the modification used in fighter aircraft. Anyhow, we are studying the manuals and every functionality that was present in the aircraft variant will be modeled, so don´t worry. Also, RSIU-3M was only present in early MiG-19s to be used in conjunction with Gorizont and Globus systems. Later MiG-19P(which is the one we are working on) were updated to RSIU-4V.

yes:)