==Wiggy==

Thanks gentlemen! Need to add the stars, and names to.the canopy rail. Bo, which part precisely? The very tip that's darker or the lighter color I have just prior?

WIP...

Working on this one... It will be my next one :)

Anyone know why these would not be approved yet? They still show non active in my files section. I uploaded a few days ago!

Art-J, yes, I'm not sure. But there's something to that. Some images look as if the off colored part is semi gloss, while others look more matted... And others still don't have it at all! It is a finicky little detail! It's definitely been rewarding to do more research on the aircraft. Ive found a treasure trove of new images I've not seen in the net previously, high quality large scans. It has really got the inspiration juices flowing!

Sorry, this has kind of turned into a research thread! Haha. But, nevertheless, very fun!

Thanks Strut, here's a few more great photos that i've found while searching. Also leads me to believe that the white/light grey areas on the wing upper surface were more common than un-common.

Fantastic work.

Strut looking great. I like the weathered one quite a bit. Maybe you can enlighten me on how to edit the BORT decals to be different sizes and locations? How do you achieve that?

Yes, I'm in for authentic all the way. I hear that. Robert very interesting about the wax. Didn't know they did that. I wonder if it actually worked, or if it worked against the pilots by adding additional skin friction drag from a dissimilar material and disturbed the laminar flow? Interesting indeed! I'll have to follow up with some reading of my own as well. Thanks for sharing this. Here's a few of the better examples of just how reflective the Sabres could be...there's also many images that show the exact opposite, I know. If you look at Image 1 & 2 below you can see in the fuselage that the cloud layer is clearly reflected with some good detail. (You can also see the white paint on the wing that I've opted to reference in some of my paints). I imagine that many photos (color or BW) depends on the camera settings how well they capture the image even TOD can play a factor or environment conditions (overcast sky vs severe clear) for how well the image captures the reflections. You can imagine that up close that would be a fairly good resolution of the surroundings. This obviously isn't the case with say photo no. 3 below. where it appears that the Aluminum has been oxidizing a while without treatment. However, the interesting thing about this photo is that the wing is very reflective, reflecting perfectly the unit strips on the fuselage and tail, and the equipment. So, it almost begs the questions, if you look at the environment, it's very hazy/cloudy, and looks like a lower sun angle, could be that there's simply not anything of detail to reflect in the fuselage...(I think it's likely it's not very reflective) but if you look at the top of the fuselage you can see the dark blue/grey of the sky or clouds above...so it's still getting some, enough for capturing color of the material. Image No. 4 though, is a very sneaky one. On first inspection doesn't look all that reflective, but if you look at the aft fuselage, you'll notice that it is actually reflecting the the tarmac and shoveled snow bank from across the way in very good detail. Sky conditions don't look like they provide much contrast so there's not much color tone change in the fuselage.

Yes I hear you both. I should have said this is less about how should you or I paint the aircraft, and more about what it looks like in any 'state' (matte shiny reflective etc.). I should have also clarified the images with a description of what is going on. This is just an example of what different settings can produce (not me asking for you prefer I use)... So with that said, you can see that there an aluminum aircraft with 2 strips in the middle. The first one move aft from nose to tail, is a a grey "paint" strip. It's matte and non reflective. I've removed the effort so as to not clutter the view of the clean paint. Aft of this is a strip of polished aluminum (some might call it chrome or silver painted). To my abilities and knowledge, what you see in this area is the MAXIMUM reflection the Sabre model is able to produce in the sim. I've tried to couple an appropriate level of specular light reflection with it. This would be your "airshow" polished skin. A quick note about this. None of my Liveries use this level of reflection or specularity. This is is about 20-25% darker in the blue channel than mine. And about 10-15% brighter in the red channel. And 5-10% darker in the green channel. Which is is quite a bit! My "Clean" skins are supposed to represent just clean aluminum. New enough to not be oxidized but old enjoy to have some flights understand it's belt. I should also note that your mileage will carry on the amount of contrast you have in the darkness of your images based on what your individual Hanna settings in the sim are. I very much agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Which is part of the reason I appreciate the work of others. I really enjoy seeing others interpretations of what something looks like... In this case the Sabre.

I will eventually move on. Right now I'm in the Sabre dance ;) I have the mirage 2000 skins to update as well.

Was brought up in another post here...so which one is which? Shiny, reflective or Clean? Here is a 3 part sabre. Paint, Chrome/silver-ish, and shiny...what do you say is what? And how can you tell from Black and white photos (I can)? Something that is debated hotly in any forum I've ever been to regarding classic jets and their finish. I've had seen this in the FSX/P3D forums so many times, and wanted to show some examples of what makes it so difficult to simply point at a photo and say "see, you can clearly see here..." But keeping it all on the up and up. Just friendly chatter here, no one is a loser, we're all going to come out learning something including me, I can guarantee that! :pilotfly:

RELEASED! I've released two 2-Packs. Clean & Weathered versions of each unit. Should be available soon. Links not active yet. Enjoy!

I'll do it. :) My father lived in SA for a few years, and I work and fly with 2 guys from there.

I'm open to requests, as long as I'm interested in the subject matter! ;) But I don't work to time lines. As long as that's understood up front! :). Request away.

No prob. @Fri13: thank you. You address an issue that I consider a real source of Symantecs confusion especially coming from the P3D/FSX community, it's the same thing over there. Shiny vs Reflective and Clean Aluminum vs Polished/Chromed or silver or painted finish. I'm going to do a paint for the Sabre, very quickly that shows the difference between all these, including glossy paint and matted paint. An all in one! I think it will help see the difference.

@Reflected: Thank you sir! With regards to the question; it's just something I've seen in some images. I thought it looked aesthetically pleasing. I'm not sure the significance as to why it would be painted and why some would have it and others not. I would say that it is not the norm, but it's not unlikely that some did have this. So I opted to go with something a little different than the usual.

Ok found 2 small item upon inspection just prior to upload. I've added them and will upload after work tomorrow.

A few more of the weathered 91st. This is also indicative of the 92nd version as well.

Sorry, stated a new thread because the other one is incorrectly titled with confusing squadron and group numbers. I finally understood what I was looking at after reading a Spanish subtitled photo (and I don't even speak Spanish...I do speak French as a second language...so close enough to translate without using google...haha). So here they are. Incoming today. Will upload as soon as I get a few more screenshots for the upload. These ones DO NOT use the BORT system. As they use V-Stab number locations that differ from the default areas...not sure if that can be changed or not, but I don't have time to mess with that right now. So they are both stand alone unit numbers per the real life counterparts. Thanks, Clean and Weathered Versions:

No hard feelings here Robert. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

91st FBS. Will be released together. :music_whistling:

Mike's Bird!! Great looking paints.

The only thing I might change is the positioning of the "ELTERROR"... Otherwise it's ready to go. The nice thing is, there will be 2 skins released. 92nd FBS above and the 91st FBS, second picture from my first post. Had a blue bolt with yellow border.