Beyond Visual Range Struggles

[Maximus_Lazarus]

Yeah, sure the best tactic against is a good coordinated 2 ship. Sometimes I split them up by giving a long range ER at the first, go to gimbals and then to the notch for the second guy. At that time they lost me both. Then it's very hard for them to stay coordinated and regain contact at me and in addition NOT getting too close as Iḿ just waiting for this. If You have DL it's a matter of seconds to go out of the notch, find the target and shooting an ET. Mostly experienced formations just realizise this and go defensive in time and so its a 0-0 kill as I cant catch them with the lame flanker.

 

What would really interest me how realistic are these quick locks with EOS vertical scan when going hot at say 30km and this quick LA of the ETs at that distance, as this ist the very strongest russian A-t-A concept in this sim. Say even in good weather conditions referring to most information You get it's not realistic AT ALL.

 

Sometimes the best tactic is .. blind luck :D

 

Sorry man, just came across this :megalol:

 

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[karambiatos]

Sometimes the best tactic is .. blind luck :D

 

Sorry man, just came across this :megalol:

 

did the missle go through the plane?

[Maximus_Lazarus]

yep :D

[Falcon_S]

did the missle go through the plane?

 

No but if we wanna kill I think that the missile must bores a hole, drill to the cockpit, kindly enters the cockpit and then the victim should press the button for suicide (red button on ER missile) if he does not live. :music_whistling:

[Oberst Zeisig]

LOL, guess that was my lucky day. Poor Falcon! I´m sure I heard these 2 ones. I think that shows that missiles have proven to be very unreliable in mp esp. at hard maneouvers very close to the ground. I had some similar issue a week ago. I launched at a Su-27 very close to the sea level (10m) at his 6 on 4nm and one at 3nm. This time Amraams. Both missed though no evasive action and i had to finish him with guns. Maybe its lagging issues.

[Maximus_Lazarus]

No but if we wanna kill I think that the missile must bores a hole, drill to the cockpit, kindly enters the cockpit and then the victim should press the button for suicide (red button on ER missile) if he does not live. :music_whistling:

 

Actually yes, one of those two did go THROUGH the plane. I had it lucky paused in such a manner that the rocket was sticking through the fusilage :D

 

Then i un paused to see the rest, and found out it's quite hard to pause it at the exact same time again

 

Edited May 10, 2014 by Maximus_Lazarus

[TAW_Blaze]

LOL, guess that was my lucky day. Poor Falcon! I´m sure I heard these 2 ones. I think that shows that missiles have proven to be very unreliable in mp esp. at hard maneouvers very close to the ground. I had some similar issue a week ago. I launched at a Su-27 very close to the sea level (10m) at his 6 on 4nm and one at 3nm. This time Amraams. Both missed though no evasive action and i had to finish him with guns. Maybe its lagging issues.

 

I had that too yesterday, sparrow missed a frog that was about 10m ASL and then I had to gun him. Damn he took so many bullets. :megalol:

[*Rage*]

did the missle go through the plane?

 

You sound surprised!

[karambiatos]

You sound surprised!

no, ive seen it happen, but only when i was not actually connected to the server, or the server had already crashed.

[Oberst Zeisig]

I had that too yesterday' date=' sparrow missed a frog that was about 10m ASL and then I had to gun him. Damn he took so many bullets. :megalol:[/quote']

 

 

The Frog is a good taker, LOL. Maybe its an issue of tracking targets at all at 10m. It should be possible though, doesn´t it?

 

And Maximus keep posting this on YT it´s fun besides. :)

Edited May 10, 2014 by Oberst Zeisig

[Frostie]

Actually yes, one of those two did go THROUGH the plane. I had it lucky paused in such a manner that the rocket was sticking through the fusilage :D

 

 

I'm not saying it didn't happen, it probably did, but tacview is not all knowing, not everything that happens in game appears as it should in tacview. You should take tacviews as approximate recordings.

[Maximus_Lazarus]

The Frog is a good taker, LOL. Maybe its an issue of tracking targets at all at 10m. It should be possible though, doesn´t it?

 

And Maximus keep posting this on YT it´s fun besides. :)

 

I'll take it down instantly if you want though , people might get the wrong idea .

 

edit* I'll take it down, (set to private) the picture in this thread is funny enough . :)

Edited May 10, 2014 by Maximus_Lazarus

[Oberst Zeisig]

I'll take it down instantly if you want though , people might get the wrong idea .

 

edit* I'll take it down, (set to private) the picture in this thread is funny enough . :)

 

I think Frostie ist right with this, You can´t measure it down to the exact metre, maybe in SP but in MP there are too many network and recording issues. But I don´t mind. Please keep posting, it´s fun for me and I´m just too lazy coping track files into folders.:music_whistling:

[Maximus_Lazarus]

The Frog is a good taker, LOL. Maybe its an issue of tracking targets at all at 10m. It should be possible though, doesn´t it?

 

And Maximus keep posting this on YT it´s fun besides. :)

 

KA-50 is insane when it comes to taking beatings.

 

2 amraams , still flying. :huh: Then i unloaded cannon and only then he went down

 

bastards :mad:

[kk0425]

Try the Mi-8. Those can take a beating.

[pepin1234]

Yesterday I shoot two R-77 at 10km against a F-15. Its flight was about 30° toward my plane. Both was a miss...

 

I would like make a Video about all that Situation, but I have not time for that.

 

The best way is make Videos about this ridiculous Situation and put in Internet, so everybody can see what happen in our "Simulator"

 

If this Situation continue like that I will stop calling "Simulator" to this Thing.

[Sceptre]

You're right about the frog being a tank, I got hit by 125mm AP from a Leopard 2 while I was taking off, and the front half of the nose all the way up to the front of the cockpit was torn off, and the plane was riddled with .50cal fire to boot. Still flying :pilotfly:

[Oberst Zeisig]

KA-50 is insane when it comes to taking beatings.

 

2 amraams , still flying. :huh: Then i unloaded cannon and only then he went down

 

bastards :mad:

 

Don't forget a Ka-50 is very hard to track, as it's always in the notch when flying very slow and low, sometimes it takes to get es far as 5nm to even see him. But indeed I also had some KA's which took a lot of stuff I pumped into them, LOL. And then still do an emergency landing. :pilotfly:

[Oberst Zeisig]

Yesterday I shoot two R-77 at 10km against a F-15. Its flight was about 30° toward my plane. Both was a miss...

 

I would like make a Video about all that Situation, but I have not time for that.

 

The best way is make Videos about this ridiculous Situation and put in Internet, so everybody can see what happen in our "Simulator"

 

If this Situation continue like that I will stop calling "Simulator" to this Thing.

 

Don't forget the 77 is the weakest radar missile in game You can evade them indeed on 10km. Happend many times to my 77s as well as I did it to others. And on this distances You can pretty good see the missile, just a hard turn away ond to the ground and its gone :D.

 

But indeed I'd love some more YT tracks. :D

[pepin1234]

Don't forget the 77 is the weakest radar missile in game You can evade them indeed on 10km. Happend many times to my 77s as well as I did it to others. And on this distances You can pretty good see the missile, just a hard turn away ond to the ground and its gone :D.

 

But indeed I'd love some more YT tracks. :D

 

No I dont Forget. You also dont Forget, so thats why you take much more the F-15 in the MP servers...

 

You can take the F-15 cuz you find funny the R-77 is completly weak and you will be in disadvantage with the Mig-29S. But... what about the People dont like take the F-15 or dont know use it. They should take the F-15 and accept the R-77 with the current Performance???

 

Yes I know this is a new game and the FC2 is history, but what about the Denomination "Simulation".

Edited May 12, 2014 by pepin1234

[Falcon_S]

Yesterday I shoot two R-77 at 10km against a F-15. Its flight was about 30° toward my plane. Both was a miss...

 

I would like make a Video about all that Situation, but I have not time for that.

 

The best way is make Videos about this ridiculous Situation and put in Internet, so everybody can see what happen in our "Simulator"

 

If this Situation continue like that I will stop calling "Simulator" to this Thing.

 

I would say that all the missiles are "unreliable" if we talk about the expected hit. What can this mean depends on the individual approach DCS simulator. Many think it is just enough to launch and wait shot without thinking of various parameters such as distance, target aspect, etc. .... Miss. It happens (quite often and in reality).

We all want a realistic simulator. We mentioned the realism! I have long in this simulator so I know it's about realism here always talk from two angles. From the perspective of the attacker, and from the perspective of the victim.

Developers constantly balancing. The victims are struggling to survive and always find a hole (exploiting the simulator).

 

 

I think the constant using of high G forces in maneuvers is exploitation. Because we do not have consequences. We only have simulated blackout but immediately after the blackout we act as nothing happened. No paralysis and uncontrolled movement, none bewilderment, no amnesia, no fear... Realism: The reports of the American Air Force, said that the 18 disasters in the period from 1982 to 1990 caused of a loss of consciousness.

Edited May 12, 2014 by Falcon_S

[TAW_Blaze]

If you take it that way, we'll never have realism. Agreed otherwise.

[Oberst Zeisig]

No I dont Forget. You also dont Forget, so thats why you take much more the F-15 in the MP servers...

 

You can take the F-15 cuz you find funny the R-77 is completly weak and you will be in disadvantage with the Mig-29S. But... what about the People dont like take the F-15 or dont know use it. They should take the F-15 and accept the R-77 with the current Performance???

 

Yes I know this is a new game and the FC2 is history, but what about the Denomination "Simulation".

 

There is no need of warming up this old whining about one side ist stronger than the other thing. I truly is a simulator with many weaknesses though. It's a matter of time. Of course the 77s are weaker than AMRAAM as they should be. The missile problems are mostly the same for both. What You can do is make the best of it if You want to fly the MIG-29, just exploit it strengths. I've flown it many times, actually I don't because I can get even too many kills which aren't realistic ;).

[blkspade]

Don't forget a Ka-50 is very hard to track, as it's always in the notch when flying very slow and low, sometimes it takes to get es far as 5nm to even see him. But indeed I also had some KA's which took a lot of stuff I pumped into them, LOL. And then still do an emergency landing. :pilotfly:

 

There isn't really much reason to be trying to kill a Ka-50 with radar missiles. They seem to fall quite easily to a single AIM-9, which just about never fails.

[Oberst Zeisig]

There isn't really much reason to be trying to kill a Ka-50 with radar missiles. They seem to fall quite easily to a single AIM-9, which just about never fails.

 

 

So that's a clean solution. :D