C-101CC Weapons

[SilentGun]

Does anyone know how the Sea eagle is used on this bird? How would it target stuff?

[emg]

Sea Eagle was designed to be used on aircraft without an air-to-sea radar (or not wishing to emit). It has an INS and the WSO can have the missile steer to a location where it starts to scan for stuff with its radar. The nav system can use waypoints and "pop up & scan, then pop down and do this or that depending on what it scanned" behavior.

 

http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/Pages1_files/SeaEagle_Index.html

 

And you can try to get close enough that the radar can lock on while still on the pylon. AFAIK some Iraqi MiG-23s were rigged to use Exocets this way in the Iraq-Iran war.

Edited December 6, 2014 by emg

[Skoop]

Hi,

 

These are the currently planned weapons for the C-101CC module for DCS:World.

 

We are currently looking for good references for these weapons so that our modeller can create them. If you have any photos or dimensions that we could use, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

 

So after reviewing the discussion posted here, I take it this is the official list (from 1st post) of weapons that will be carried by the c101cc ?

 

Does it have countermeasures ?

 

Would have been nice to have mavs, the anti ship missiles make this interesting in itself. Not many dcs platforms have a dedicated anti ship weapon.

[joey45]

The CC was never tested for Mavs.. Unless theres a screen in the cockpit.

 

Isn't there a Sea Eagle at Dux???

[Vedexent]

This is starting to look like the Su-25s little brother. I like!

[Manuel_108]

So you will implement the Sidewinder on the CC? I though it is equipped with the Shafir II.

Or are both missiles possible?

[JuanOscar]

Yes, and apparently also the french Matra R.550. Not sure about the version btw.

 

Edited January 29, 2015 by JuanOscar

[Manuel_108]

Interesting :)

[Stratos]

Any chance we will see the Matra Magic on the CC release? And braked bombs like the BRP?

[JuanOscar]

Regarding the Matra, yes.

 

We want also to implement the spanish weaponry, like the BR-250. In case of the BRP-250, we have to make more research regarding that bombs and the C-101CC.

[Stratos]

Regarding the Matra, yes.

 

We want also to implement the spanish weaponry, like the BR-250. In case of the BRP-250, we have to make more research regarding that bombs and the C-101CC.

 

Excellent news about the Matra missile. The BRP will add more tactical variety to the plane.

[Skoop]

So are we getting all these weapons with this module ?

 

Makes this one little versitle plane.

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/chile/t-36.htm

 

A-36 Halcon is a version of the CASA C-101 Aviojet

 

Year deployed 1983

 

used by Spain, Chile, Honduras and Jordan

 

Wing span, m 10.6 Length, m 12.50 Height, m 4.25 Wings area, m2 20.00

 

Weight, kg empty aircraft 3500 normal take-off 5000 maximum take-off 6300 Internal fuel, kg 1822

 

Engine 1 TJE Garrett TFE731-5-1J Thrust, kN dry 19.13 afterburner 20.91

 

Maximum speed, km/h in altitude 834 on sea level 769

 

Cruising speed, km/h 656 Range, km 3706

 

Combat radius, km 370-964

 

Rate of climb, m/min 1859

 

Service ceiling, m 12800

 

Maximum overload 7.5 Crew 2

 

Armament 1 30-mm cannon DEFA 553 with 130 rounds

Warload - 2250 kg in 6 hardpoints

2 500-kg bombs or 4 375-kg bombs or 6 250-kg bombs, or

4 napalm bombs BLU-27, or

4 ML LAU-10 4x127-mm or

6 LAU-68 19x70-mm or

6 Matra 155 18x68-mm or

6 CASA 06.070 6x70-mm or

6 CASA 18.070 18x70-mm UR

2 AAM AIM-9 Sidewinder, 2 ASM AGM-69 Maveric,

2 anti-ship missile Sea Eagle

 

I saw earlier that it was a no on mavs, but as you see here, mavs are listed as an armament. It is also noted that where 30mm cannon sits, it can be replaced with an ecm pod or a laser designator which can be used to target mavs with the hud.

 

Also happy that the c101 can be equipped with ecm / flare pods which makes it a more viable dcs platform and not just a boring trainer.

 

I can't wait for the 101cc to be released......

Edited April 6, 2015 by Skoop

[Skoop]

^ that part about the mav can't be right, the agm-69 is an SRAM.....so.....

 

 

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=775

 

There was a weapons bay in the forward fuselage for carrying a ventral gunpack, reconnaissance pod, laser designator, or Electronic Countermeasures pod......

 

 

 

Just saw at the end of the list of versions, the DD version is the only one with mav capability.

 

So I guess the question is, the DD is just CC with a laser designator and mavs, then why not have this capability for the CC.

Edited April 6, 2015 by Skoop

[Avimimus]

2 500-kg bombs or 4 375-kg bombs or 6 250-kg bombs, or

4 napalm bombs BLU-27, or

4 ML LAU-10 4x127-mm or

6 LAU-68 19x70-mm or

6 Matra 155 18x68-mm or

6 CASA 06.070 6x70-mm or

6 CASA 18.070 18x70-mm UR

 

Oooh... it'd be really nice to get some of these European rocket pods as options...

[dartuil]

So c-101CC have 6 hardpoints?

[JuanOscar]

Yes, 6 hard points plus the central pod for a cannon or machine guns.

[Stratos]

Can the CC carry any kind of countermesure installment? Chaff, flares and ECM will be great, specially flares against portable SAMS.

[JuanOscar]

No, not really... No chaff, no flares and no ECM pod... But no guts no glory...:D

 

Your life it will be tied to your flight skills.

[Stratos]

No, not really... No chaff, no flares and no ECM pod... But no guts no glory...:D

 

Your life it will be tied to your flight skills.

 

In today's conflicts is suicide to attack even the most poor guerrilla without at least flares equipped to your plane. Maybe load one of the french flare pods?

[Skoop]

No, not really... No chaff, no flares and no ECM pod... But no guts no glory...:D

 

Your life it will be tied to your flight skills.

 

Read the links I posted above, it says that the gun pod can be switched to a recon pod or an ecm / countermeasure pod.

 

I seriously think you guys should add all of the capabilities of the c101 platform, even the laser guided hud aimed mavs of the DD variant. It will just make a more playable aircraft in the Dcs environment.

Also I refuse to believe that the c101 can't be equipped with flare chaff countermeasures, hell, they added it to the Huey for crying out loud.

[dartuil]

Yes, 6 hard points plus the central pod for a cannon or machine guns.

 

So 2 AIM9 , two rocket pod and two fuel tank and centerline with gun ammo? ;)

[Stratos]

No fuel tanks on the C101 AFAIK, enough internal fuel so no drop tanks were ever added.

[JuanOscar]

Exactly, the C-101 was designed to load a high fuel quantity, so external fuel tanks are not available and not needed, as the C-101 has a very good range of action.

 

Regarding the ECM Pod, we don't have any info in our documentation, I understand that point of view to have a more capable platform, what we need to find the proper balance, Our idea it is not start to implement stuff, just because it's wrote somewhere if we don't have enough documenation to implement it. The CC it's going to have a very good payload available. ;)

Edited April 12, 2015 by JuanOscar

[Skoop]

I see what you are saying, I posted links that mention it is possible to equip the c101 with an Ecm pod, but what you guys want is actual docs that describe the process of how it's actually exicuted.

 

I guess what I'm suggesting is why limit your self to the cc, why not make it the all encompassing c101 that has the eb, cc, and dd. Give us the consumer and the mission designers the choice to pick which variant to fly.

 

I know the dd never went into production but the upgrades to carry mavs were done as well as countermeasures, so why not have that capability in Dcs.

 

Seriously, if you give us the option to arm the 101 to the dd level and give the consumer choices, it will always end up better in the end.

[Buzzles]

Seriously, if you give us the option to arm the 101 to the dd level and give the consumer choices, it will always end up better in the end.

 

A CC with DD playloads is not a real plane though. As shown with the arguments over the Mig21's payload (aka, the Bis cannot use the KH-66 irl + others), I'd vote to stick with what the specific model of plane can actually do rather than trying to create a magical inbetween version.