P-38 Lightning

[Snoopy]

That would be fantastic, since virtual patriots L-39 seems to be dead.

 

I doubt that, just because they aren't saying anything doesn't mean it's dead.

[spyro23]

That would be fantastic, since virtual patriots L-39 seems to be dead. I sincerely hope LN will pick it up.L-39 is the best training platform for Mig-21.

 

Personally I do not get all the wishes and excitement for trainers (or WWII era planes). What could you possibly do with them except air shows/formation flying? There are better platforms to do that. Training value of such aircrafts is close to 0 in DCS. Their combat value is doubtful as well unless someone wants to act as a target. There is no proper ATC, carrier operations, procedures etc. to learn that would justify having such aircraft. Learning basics of flight, VFR, IFR, combat (you name it) can be as well done on combat plane since unlike RL crashing while learning does not mean End. Additionally you wont have to learn systems and flight characteristics again while transferring to combat plane.

 

I'm glad that there are developers that making trainers because of passion for the type but most probably I wont buy them (and most flight simmers I know) simply to not mislead developers that I like having in DCS trainers (or WWII era planes).

Pretty much everything * from sixties onward I'll buy.

 

* - any combat aircraft

[Cobra847]

The -38 is an -L! Sillies :P

 

P-38......I would absolutely buy it. What a great plane. I remember a documentary I saw on the P-38 where in the beginning things weren't going so well. They had Charles Lindberg fly one of them and he actually added the design features that made it one of the most legendary planes of the War.

But if we're going Pacific, bar none (IMO) F4U Corsair. Supposedly the fastest plane in the sky at the time, and according to everything I have read, one of the most versatile fighters in history. I wonder why no one ever remembers the Corsair?

 

[Alicatt]

I wonder why no one ever remembers the Corsair?

Heh my grandson's favourite aircraft, and the one he keeps asking to watch on youtube

You should have heard him when Disney's Planes came out and he seen Skipper for the first time :)

 

ps. he will be 4 next month so there is still hope for F4U fans, he puts up with flying the DCS P51 but he really wants that F4U ;)

[Sceptre]

I'd still go for the P-38, unless we get WW2 Naval ops, then I would definitely pick the Coarsair! And the ability to drop Napalm! (I don't know if the P-38 was fitted with this.)

[BattleRabbit]

Please don't make a WW2 module next there is enough of that going on already, please stay in the Mig-21 era.

[MFG62 Joker]

please stay in the Mig-21 era. +1!

 

e.g. F4 Phantom II

 

rules the skies ....

[airdoc]

The -38 is an -L! Sillies :P

 

 

Does this mean what i think it means Cobra???

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

INTRODUCING DCS: 172L

 

Strap into the most legendary post-war piston aircraft to ever have taken flight! Duck and weave between trees while you annoy Georgian farmers with your incessant buzzing!

 

Features:

 

*Advanced engine management of a 165 horsepower Lycoming O-360!

*Complex stealth models that allow you to infiltrate into Red Square!

*Customizable load outs to remove doors and allow a playable second-in-command to operate the advanced weapons such as the Ruger 77/22, Smith & Wesson Model 29, and biological weaponry such as rotten eggs.

*A fully modeled Garmin 430 that the previous owner installed!

*A dynamic single player/cooperative multiplayer campaign called "The Batumi Babies" in which you may deck out your 172L with fearsome weaponry such as LAU-10 and sternly worded letters of disapproval.

 

Pre-order and receive a pilot skin of Mathias Rust.

[MFG62 Joker]

:thumbup:

Not sure though that too many guys remember Matthias ...:book:

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

:thumbup:

Not sure though that too many guys remember Matthias ...:book:

 

Yeah, the guy had cast iron gonads.

 

How infuriating would it be to try and gun-kill a 172 in a Flanker or Eagle, too? That hilarity alone would make it worth it.

[msalama]

INTRODUCING DCS: 172L

 

I'd buy a good DCS Cessna straightaway. And I'm not s******* either.

[msalama]

Not sure though that too many guys remember Matthias ...

 

The guy who flew to Red Square? Sure. That fellow had guts.

[spyro23]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this. But that's the beauty of DCS really. It caters to everyone. I have loads of fun with the P-51. To me, it's much more challenging than the F-15 or the A-10. Not that those modules are not great, they absolutely are. But the P-51 (for me at least) serves 2 purposes. One: I grew up in an era where WWII planes were king. All of the model kits I built ( something many kids today have never built by the way) were of that period. Very few kids I knew had F-4 or A-10 models on their dressers because these planes had not proven their worth at that time. WWII planes were from a time when America had to outclass and out design countries that were going to take our freedom away in a way that no other country has tried since. These fighters and their pilots were our proven hero's. So for us baby boomers, they have a nostalgia that none of the newer planes have. The second thing that I believe most people love about the pre super sonic or tech driven are is that they are more personal. When I am in an A-10 and use a Maverick or even dumb bombs for that matter. It is somewhat challenging but.......It's not nearly as challenging as drawing down on an opponent that's shooting at you and you have to get close, and determine when and where to drop your ordinance. With modern AC, there is a lot of distance between you and your target much of the time. To me.....the closeness and risk is a lot of fun. And there are a lot of armored targets and other vehicles in DCS that do just fine as replacements for the older defense vehicles. I have a blast with it. Although a WWII backdrop would be great (hopefully soon), the current DCS environment can be adjusted just fine for my purposes.

 

Well, I do understand your point of view, for me MiG-21 has similar nostalgia and magic as P-51 and others WWII aircrafts for you. If I were few years older I would have maintain 21s :cry:.

 

My problem with WWII aircraft lies in the fact that DCS is literally last modern (or almost modern) sim out there and it is getting dissolved into … well I don’t know what.

Sure we’ve got BMS which is great, but its growth potential is running out. On the other hand you have BoS, CLOD with its great mods, Accusim and 1946.

 

One can argue that WWII aircraft development has no impact on modern aircraft development and that may be true for ED with their 1944. I really don’t care about it, as long as, ED’s Hornet is on track.

Based on what is publically available this is not the case with LS. If they decided to make P-38 for example that would mean that Harrier/MiG-23/Mirage/F-5/any other combat jet won’t happen anytime soon. And that would be a big bummer.

 

Considering business point of view: As LS stated they’ve got solid base technology on hand to make modern era jets, so the argument that WWII aircraft are faster or easier bucks seems not so valid in this case. Right now we do not know LS business strategy, whether MiG-21 was only inherited after Studio Beczl and they going to move towards WWII era, mix things up or stick to modern era jets (relatively modern era).

Making WWII era plane by LS would be huge disappointment for me not to mention waste of potential.

[statrekmike]

Well, I do understand your point of view, for me MiG-21 has similar nostalgia and magic as P-51 and others WWII aircrafts for you. If I were few years older I would have maintain 21s :cry:.

 

My problem with WWII aircraft lies in the fact that DCS is literally last modern (or almost modern) sim out there and it is getting dissolved into … well I don’t know what.

Sure we’ve got BMS which is great, but its growth potential is running out. On the other hand you have BoS, CLOD with its great mods, Accusim and 1946.

 

One can argue that WWII aircraft development has no impact on modern aircraft development and that may be true for ED with their 1944. I really don’t care about it, as long as, ED’s Hornet is on track.

Based on what is publically available this is not the case with LS. If they decided to make P-38 for example that would mean that Harrier/MiG-23/Mirage/F-5/any other combat jet won’t happen anytime soon. And that would be a big bummer.

 

Considering business point of view: As LS stated they’ve got solid base technology on hand to make modern era jets, so the argument that WWII aircraft are faster or easier bucks seems not so valid in this case. Right now we do not know LS business strategy, whether MiG-21 was only inherited after Studio Beczl and they going to move towards WWII era, mix things up or stick to modern era jets (relatively modern era).

Making WWII era plane by LS would be huge disappointment for me not to mention waste of potential.

 

 

I agree with this entirely, I mean, I know there are folks that love WWII era aircraft and I do also but at the same time, we have two different large-scale WWII projects happening for DCS World (the DCS WWII project and VEAO's flying legends project), both of those projects will fill out the WWII hanger pretty significantly and as such, I can't help but ask if more 3rd parties doing WWII aircraft is really a good thing for DCS world as a whole.

 

As the quoted post above said, DCS World is the ONLY actively developed modern military combat sim on the market right now, I mean, yeah, sure, you could bring up BMS and while BMS is a nice sim, it has long since reached it's potential.

 

DCS should explore all era's of air combat but one should not come at the expense of others and right now, it is starting to feel like WWII is taking over.

 

What I am saying I suppose is that Leatherneck is in the position to really fill out the cold war era aircraft inventory, it would be a shame if they were to hop on the WWII bandwagon when so many others are doing the same already.

[cichlidfan]

WWII aircraft are more profitable, in less time, than more modern air frames. LS could probably use the revenue after the Mig adventure.

[Cobra847]

I don't see us leaving Jet aircraft development.

That, however, does not mean anything is mutually exclusive.

 

I think, when the time comes, everyone will be satisfied.

[statrekmike]

WWII aircraft are more profitable, in less time, than more modern air frames. LS could probably use the revenue after the Mig adventure.

 

That may be true but at the same time, we already have a good few WWII airframes on the way, why push the modern aircraft fanbase to the side in favor of a market that is already being served?

[spyro23]

WWII aircraft are more profitable, in less time, than more modern air frames. LS could probably use the revenue after the Mig adventure.

 

 

Well, not necessarily.

 

If DCS will get saturated witch WWII era aircraft the sales may not be that high, and it seems that saturation point may happen very fast (by DSC standards)

Right now most of the iconic WWII fighters are already under development or soon will be*.

How many people, do you think, would buy Fiat G.55 or P-51B? Or how many people will buy all 20-30 aircrafts (~50$ each) that will be available relatively soon especially when WWII era maps won't probably be for free.

 

Easy money may not be as easy as they look.

 

Deliberately I wrote WWII fighters since multi crew and multi engine bombers will not be so fast and easy to make as fighters.

 

* my assumption based on current trends.

[hattrick]

I don't see us leaving Jet aircraft development.

That, however, does not mean anything is mutually exclusive.

 

I think, when the time comes, everyone will be satisfied.

 

Cobra!!

 

As you well know there is a HUGE base of WWII flight sim enthusiasts within DCS and while other third party developers are "claiming" to create a bunch of random warbirds, I know A TON of people are excited about what Leatherneck is doing. Starting with the P-38 and if we see some of the other birds and "ships" ;P that are in the background of your website, I will be buying everything WWII you make, and I think it will be the smartest decision yet made by a 3rd party developer for DCS. A PTO has been non existent since IL-2 Pacific Fighters.... no one has touched it since and I hope somewhere out there a dev group is seriously contemplated reviving that VERY PROFITABLE theater.

Edited July 21, 2014 by hattrick

[Hans-Joachim Marseille]

I don't see us leaving Jet aircraft development

Russian gear? Edited July 21, 2014 by Hans-Joachim Marseille

[hattrick]

Eh, flaming?

 

 

Nope just my opinion. We all are entitled to one but I suppose I'll erase the comment before anyone else's feelings are hurt.

Edited July 21, 2014 by hattrick

[mig29movt]

I don't see us leaving Jet aircraft development.

That, however, does not mean anything is mutually exclusive.

 

I think, when the time comes, everyone will be satisfied.

 

:notworthy::cheer3nc::beer:

1st time I'm visiting this thread, exactly found what I wanted to see -> not old prop museum stuff planned, thanks guys.

I think we've seen this over and over again

[hattrick]

:notworthy::cheer3nc::beer:

1st time I'm visiting this thread, exactly found what I wanted to see -> not old prop museum stuff planned, thanks guys.

I think we've seen this over and over again

 

Funny... This one P-38 Lightning thread has more views than any of the Mig-21 threads.... you can try to put down WWII aircraft as much as you like, but that's not going to stop them from being made. It's not like their creating Pilatuses for us to fly or something. Thanks for trolling though.

[NeilWillis]

I'd prefer an English Electric to a Lockheed though.

 

But that's just me.