DCS Bf 109K-4

[gavagai]

But I still don't remember anyone freaking out or acting unreasonably over the 190D-9 release. Refresh my memory, please.

 

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Ok, I'll do it myself: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=127790&highlight=Dora+release+delayed&page=16

 

At most I see 3 or 4 people who over reacted to the delay, and it was a little rain drop compared to the storm clouds that dominate other internet forums.:ermm:

Edited November 23, 2014 by gavagai

[NineLine]

But I still don't remember anyone freaking out or acting unreasonably over the 190D-9 release. Refresh my memory, please.

 

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Ok, I'll do it myself: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=127790&highlight=Dora+release+delayed&page=16

 

At most I see 3 or 4 people who over reacted to the delay, and it was a little rain drop compared to the storm clouds that dominate other internet forums.:ermm:

 

Here is a little tidbit for you, this is some negative rep I got back then when I was telling some of these people to relax and not to blow things out of proportion:

 

Like this is the first time something is delayed in DCS without prior notice. It's the norm now, maybe, just maybe that's why people are so easily PO'd?

 

You dont see more because us moderators refuse to have a messy forum like others do with unreasonable nonsense... of course I look at this thread and it seems I am failing here, so please, the topic is the Me 109K-4, not release dates and delays, its a topic about the aircraft and how it applies to DCS World. Lets get it back on topic.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

back on topic then...was the flare gun in the K4 a fixed item?meaning could it be removed?how is it implemented in DCS?is it working(can we shoot flares??)

[SilentGun]

back on topic then...was the flare gun in the K4 a fixed item?meaning could it be removed?how is it implemented in DCS?is it working(can we shoot flares??)

 

I don't think it was a flair gun... I think it was a mauser (pistol) just incase of emergency landings.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

^^yeah i think thats what it was used for...question is, was it always in place there, or could pilots remove it to have a better look at the gauges?will we be able to remove it if it was possible in the real thing?

[Friedrich-4B]

I don't think it was a flair gun... I think it was a mauser (pistol) just incase of emergency landings.

 

No way it was a Mauser - the December 1944 K-4 Handbuch says quite clearly it was 45 Halterung für Leuchtpistole [mounting for flarepistol] see attached cockpit diagram. AFAIK Luftwaffe pilots carried their own flare pistols

 

 

The butt of the flare pistol can be seen under the strap on the lifejacket:

 

 

The flares could be strapped to the boots

 

 

Or in pockets on the leg:

 

Edited November 24, 2014 by Friedrich-4/B
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[9.JG27 DavidRed]

thx for that doc!

ok so it was removable then!so question remains will we virtual pilots be able to remove it?i really hope so. im pretty sure we wont get an answer on this until we have our hands on it though...

Edited November 24, 2014 by 9./JG27 DavidRed

[fastfreddie]

I know I've read where they would use flares so their own AAA wouldn't shoot them down and I'm sure there were many other reasons. TBH in the current spotting system I might use it so my wingman can find me.

[SilentGun]

DCS Bf 109K-4

 

Wow! Just realized if the bf109 can shoot flairs then ID'ing targets on the dogs of war server is going to be so much easier! (Man, so many features I didn't know about the bf109. Makes me think if ED is going to model all of these cool features!)

[Rangi]

So if I am in my Hawk coming up on a 109s six, at very high closure rate, can he pop the canopy shoot a flare and spoof my Aim-9? ;)

Also, belts of flares, how many did they use/need on a mission?

[Boris]

So if I am in my Hawk coming up on a 109s six, at very high closure rate, can he pop the canopy shoot a flare and spoof my Aim-9? ;)

Also, belts of flares, how many did they use/need on a mission?

 

Kind of reminds me of this... :megalol:

 

${1}

 

Unfortunately I can't find the clip of where he throws aluminum foil from the plane to spoof a missile.

[NineLine]

thx for that doc!

ok so it was removable then!so question remains will we virtual pilots be able to remove it?i really hope so. im pretty sure we wont get an answer on this until we have our hands on it though...

 

I dont know if there are any plans to make it functional, but if you guys can give me some actual accounts of it being used, and such, I might be able to feature request it.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

well i would love the feature to toggle it on/off....as it seems to cover the view of some gauges...as for the function of the flare gun itself...probably a nice little fun feature, but way down low on the priority list for me personally.

[SlipBall]

maybe they could move it to under the arm...I can call for help then, when I'm shot down..lol

[arthuro12]

I dont know if there are any plans to make it functional, but if you guys can give me some actual accounts of it being used, and such, I might be able to feature request it.

 

 

Came up with all of this in a 2 minute Google.

 

The flares could be fired while the gun was "holstered". the projectile would fly out of a port in one of the lower front windows (triangle shaped ones)

 

I don't really care but it would be extremely useful!

[NineLine]

No, that is what I need, using it out of the holster, I doubt we will get that, but using it in the holster, if that is indeed the case, I can fight for that. ;)

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Something we need to know, and maybe Yo-Yo can ask Erich, is if it was left in the holster like that or placed elsewhere until needed.

[arthuro12]

Ehh I enjoyed shooting my flare gun over the shoulder towards pursuing Russians in IL2:BOS. Wouldn't mind using it tactically though, maybe I do care a little about this possible feature..

 

Instead of typing in text "HELP MY SIX PLS" just load up a red flare and press the trigger.. *pop*.

 

Friendly identification should be easier this way as well.

[NineLine]

ALso be interesting to know if it wasnt there, or if it was removed during flight, was their a way to cap that opening?

[Grim_Smiles]

Ehh I enjoyed shooting my flare gun over the shoulder towards pursuing Russians in IL2:BOS. Wouldn't mind using it tactically though, maybe I do care a little about this possible feature..

 

Instead of typing in text "HELP MY SIX PLS" just load up a red flare and press the trigger.. *pop*.

 

Friendly identification should be easier this way as well.

 

I can see doing that in a 190 since you can roll back the canopy, but I don't see where using it outside the holster would work for the 109 unless you jettison the canopy completely. Granted there are small window ports (IIRC) in the 109 but I'd imagine they wouldn't allow much of a field of fire. Having it able to be fired in the holster through the port would be a very interesting feature though.

 

ALso be interesting to know if it wasnt there, or if it was removed during flight, was their a way to cap that opening?

 

I can't imagine there wouldn't be a way to plug it, just a matter of digging around and finding what specifically they used. Maybe something as simple as a wood stopper shoved in the pipe in the cockpit.

[Friedrich-4B]

ALso be interesting to know if it wasnt there, or if it was removed during flight, was their a way to cap that opening?

 

It looks like the opening could be covered, probably doped fabric(?):

 

 

 

G-6 showing circular patch over flare port:

 

 

With this K-4 it almost looks like there was a semi-circular fairing over the opening?

 

 

Whereas on this G-14 and K-4 the ports were uncovered

 

 

Edited November 25, 2014 by Friedrich-4/B

[fastfreddie]

 

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

No, that is what I need, using it out of the holster, I doubt we will get that, but using it in the holster, if that is indeed the case, I can fight for that. ;)

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Something we need to know, and maybe Yo-Yo can ask Erich, is if it was left in the holster like that or placed elsewhere until needed.

 

i would be really surprised if pilots back then had left it in the holster all the time...i even get rid off my kneeboard as quick as possible and only have it on my lap when really needed...and that thing is a tiny lightweight thing and not covering any gauges or anything, and still its getting on my nerves.

 

that flare pistol though is a rather big item in a pretty tight cockpit, covering some gauges and even pull handles(not unimportant ones either)

 

sure thats an assumption but i guess if there was the possibilty to remove that gun, and all those pics and docs from the last few pages indicate there was, then most pilots would have placed that pistol somewhere else, and only put it into the holster once really needed.for sure i would do so at least.

 

really interested what Erich has to say about it though!

 

 

 

quite inconvinient it seems:

 

 

Edited November 25, 2014 by 9./JG27 DavidRed

[Kelevra]

I think it would be great to have the option to remove the flare gun since it covers some important gauges and instruments and takes a large amount of space.

[Friedrich-4B]

I think it would be great to have the option to remove the flare gun since it covers some important gauges and instruments and takes a large amount of space.

 

The photo of Pingel's F-2 shows the end of the flare chute was closed or plugged, suggesting that the pilot probably wore the pistol on his flight overalls until needed. If the chute stayed open, it would have been like a small wind tunnel, directing a high-speed blast into the cockpit.

[Knecht_]

Sorry, is November still the current release date?