SilentBob Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Hi gents. As I have a Radeon X1800XL card I have the option of a feature called "Temporal Anti Aliasing" its supposed to "double the effective anti aliasing image quality level by alternating the sample pattern every other frame" I don't know if Ati had this feature in earlier cards, but LockOn seems to dislike this feature. whenevr I turn this feature on I get the "black screen - now reboot" especially in heavy action (like high speed close dogfighting with 4-5 A/C in the air) when I turn it off my system can handle it no problem (with the occasional CTD here and there) this thing happens only with LockOn. other games take this Temporal antialiasing without any problem. any one else got this problem? SB ** image removed by moderator ** System Specs: intel Core i7 2600K, nVidia GTX580 ,8GB x1333 MHz RAM ,Win 7 ultimate 64bit, LG FLATRON W24553v 24" Monitor. MSFF 2 stick (yeah, it sucks).
169th_Dredd Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 I think it caused anomalies for me as well, cant recall, I just use 1600x1200 2xAA 4xAF, and yes it is available on my x800Pro. ---= 169th Panthers -Flt Lt.- =--- http://www.169thpanthers.com.au AMD64 S939 3700 | 2GB Corsair DDR500 | 21" CRT ATI Radeon X800Pro | 2x36GB WD Raptors | SB Audigy TIR3 | TM-868 | X52 | CH Pedals | Creative 5.1 Spkrs
dynamocl Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Sounds more like a term used on the recent "Enterprise" series.
SilentBob Posted March 17, 2006 Author Posted March 17, 2006 I think it caused anomalies for me as well, cant recall, I just use 1600x1200 2xAA 4xAF, and yes it is available on my x800Pro. I use 1280X1024 4XAA (all other settings are maxed of course except water on medium and Vis range on medium) but I leave the AF to "let the app descide" I does AF actually does? is the difference really noticable? SB ** image removed by moderator ** System Specs: intel Core i7 2600K, nVidia GTX580 ,8GB x1333 MHz RAM ,Win 7 ultimate 64bit, LG FLATRON W24553v 24" Monitor. MSFF 2 stick (yeah, it sucks).
169th_Dredd Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisotropic_filtering Maybe this can help you, get an understanding of its use. Best thing to do is get the 'no canopy scratches' mod (http://www.lockonskins.com? or one of the others sites), as using AF may cause those canopy scratches to look very nasty :) But watch the same Lockon Replay while you play with settings, and see what you think is best for you. :) ---= 169th Panthers -Flt Lt.- =--- http://www.169thpanthers.com.au AMD64 S939 3700 | 2GB Corsair DDR500 | 21" CRT ATI Radeon X800Pro | 2x36GB WD Raptors | SB Audigy TIR3 | TM-868 | X52 | CH Pedals | Creative 5.1 Spkrs
Guest ThomasDWeiss Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 You don't need it. take this screenshot as an example: I took it yesterday with a X850XT Pe at 1600x1200x2AF - it is almost photo realistic (as is the one bellow) why? because at higher resolutions AF or AA is not as important, temporal AA is great at 1024x768 where the spacing between the lines requires AA and AF. Another thing - that mod 'no canopy scratches' mod (http://www.lockonskins.com? or one of the others sites) is great for 1.02, but it should not be used if you are using improved reflections by Teka Teka ( web page ) it did CTD Lock On for me.
SilentBob Posted March 18, 2006 Author Posted March 18, 2006 endeed, no need for more than 2XFSAA when in 12X16 res. but as AF goes, I found out that AFX4 costs me about 10 FPS in A-10 missions close to the ground, and not so much in F-15 missions high in the sky. I got "Adaptive Anti Aliasing" too, whatever that means... SB ** image removed by moderator ** System Specs: intel Core i7 2600K, nVidia GTX580 ,8GB x1333 MHz RAM ,Win 7 ultimate 64bit, LG FLATRON W24553v 24" Monitor. MSFF 2 stick (yeah, it sucks).
Mustang Posted March 18, 2006 Posted March 18, 2006 also remember, to get Temporal AA to work, you'll need to force v-sync on in display options, something lockon doesn't like too much in my experience.
bflagg Posted March 18, 2006 Posted March 18, 2006 but v-sync is necessary with for TrackIR users...otherwise "ripping" will occur. I use adaptive AA and everything is fine with mine. (but I use the 15).. I avg pegged v-snyn rates.. (75fps) Thanks, Brett
Gunja Posted March 18, 2006 Posted March 18, 2006 anyone knows why my adaptive AA is grayed out so i cant turn it on ? x850 here
bflagg Posted March 18, 2006 Posted March 18, 2006 I would venture that's it's not supported by your vid card? Thanks, Brett
Mustang Posted March 18, 2006 Posted March 18, 2006 but v-sync is necessary with for TrackIR users...otherwise "ripping" will occur. I use adaptive AA and everything is fine with mine. (but I use the 15).. I avg pegged v-snyn rates.. (75fps) thats strange, i never use v-sync and i don't get any problems with trackir or tearing, i'm running at 1280x960 100hz on a 21" CRT and its nice and smooth, if i force v-sync on it feels laggy as hell. (this is on an X800XT BTW)
chris2802 Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 Hi loads of people in this thread seem to be running higher settings than me with lower specs. Also I saw a pic of the heat blur effect with antialiasing enabled i thought this wasnt possible? My specs are P4 3.4Ghz, 2GB Corsair xms2, Geforce 7800GTX 512mb, twin wd raptors, one for windows, one for games. So its no slouch. My settings are 1600x1200, most other settings medium, some high, terrain preload is at 100km. AA is at 4xs and AF at 8x (my normal settings fo BF2) also I have supersampling enabled. not necassary for lock on but I never remeber to turn it off. It runs great except when their are several aircraft in view close by -eg taxiing, and when I strafe a long column of vehicles (especially when they start burning/smoking), then there is noticable lag. How should I have this system set up for best performance in lomac? Thanks Chris
chris2802 Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 Oh and I have the standard cockpit scratches enabled... they look great with all types of AA for me
bflagg Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 thats strange, i never use v-sync and i don't get any problems with trackir or tearing, i'm running at 1280x960 100hz on a 21" CRT and its nice and smooth, ah...ha.. there ya go... you have a crt which doesn't have the same problems as LCD monitors... you have to enable vsync or tearing will occur with LCD sceens.... Thanks, Brett
Prophet_169th Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 Hi loads of people in this thread seem to be running higher settings than me with lower specs. Also I saw a pic of the heat blur effect with antialiasing enabled i thought this wasnt possible? My specs are P4 3.4Ghz, 2GB Corsair xms2, Geforce 7800GTX 512mb, twin wd raptors, one for windows, one for games. So its no slouch. My settings are 1600x1200, most other settings medium, some high, terrain preload is at 100km. AA is at 4xs and AF at 8x (my normal settings fo BF2) also I have supersampling enabled. not necassary for lock on but I never remeber to turn it off. It runs great except when their are several aircraft in view close by -eg taxiing, and when I strafe a long column of vehicles (especially when they start burning/smoking), then there is noticable lag. How should I have this system set up for best performance in lomac? Thanks Chris For me, at 16x12, AF really kills the FPS. I have a 7800GT. I would also recommend turning SS down to at least MS. And whatever you do, keep visual at med.
Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 thats strange, i never use v-sync and i don't get any problems with trackir or tearing, i'm running at 1280x960 100hz on a 21" CRT and its nice and smooth, if i force v-sync on it feels laggy as hell. (this is on an X800XT BTW) i would take a guess and say that, its cuz your monitor has a refresh rate of 100hz = 100fps. so unless ur fps goes above 100fps then you wont get tearing n shearing. as tearing is when ur fps goes above ur refresh rate, thus resulting in tearing and shearing. 75hz/75fps is an easier fps to hit at times in lockon in the pit when say looking out the sides or zooming in etc for a split second than say 100fps. that would be why i dont think you get the tearing problem without vsync turned on, cuz ur fps probably never exceeds 100fps thus = no tearing. HAX ;) also, when you turn on vsync u say u lag out, thats because with dx games /d3d games there is no such thing as triple buffering, so with opengl and triple buffer, if you had vsync on say at 100, and you cud only get 94 fps, then cool, but with dx games, if you had 100 refresh rate with vsync on, if say you could only get say 94fps, it would cut that down to say 80 or so as triple buffering isnt enabled, triple buffering helps to maintain higher fps while vsync is on, without it, fps takes jumps in quarters or so with vysnc on in dx games. example 60refresh rate. vsync on dx game and if you can only get 59 fps instead of 60 fps then it will auto cut you to 45fps. shit i know, but triple buffering no work for dx games :( only opengl
Shaman Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 Anyone has any idea how to turn AntiAlias 2x together with Heat Blur ON? <-> without getting total full screen artifacts? 6600GT here with 84.21 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Silent Warrior Posted March 21, 2006 Posted March 21, 2006 I haven't had any problems in Lock-On related to Temp AA... an' I'm using a 9700 Pro. (2xAA, Temp. AA, varying settings of AF (app.ctrl/2x/4x), V-sync On unless app-specified) Heh, they don't make graphics cards these days like they used to, eh? :D (On a side note, I think I've somehow broken my DX8+-era capabilities. Freaky. Freaky galore. But that's another matter, I'm aiming for an upgrade come summer.) shamandgg: I think ED actually stated perfectly clear that we shouldn't do that. I have followed that advice and not used heat-blur. :p
33rd_bratpfanne. Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 Heatblur is no prob here along with AA and AF (X800 XT-PE) S! Brati "Helicopters can't fly; they're just so ugly the earth repels them." (THX Rich :thumbup: )
bflagg Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 shamandgg: I think ED actually stated perfectly clear that we shouldn't do that. I have followed that advice and not used heat-blur. :p that I do believe was in in reference that it was a FPS killer and not enable it unless you had the hardware... my AIW 9800 pro couldn't handle it... and my most newest & obsolete vid card....my 1800xt... can handle it no problem whatsoever.... Thanks, Brett
JaBoG32_Prinzartus Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 ah...ha.. there ya go... you have a crt which doesn't have the same problems as LCD monitors... you have to enable vsync or tearing will occur with LCD sceens.... Well, I have a TFT and never used vsync, because I don't understand what it is. I experienced no problems with Track IR, but should I switsch vsync on for better result using a TFT? What do you think? Windows 10, I7 8700k@5,15GHz, 32GB Ram, GTX1080, HOTAS Warthog, Oculus Rift CV1, Obutto R3volution, Buttkicker [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ЯБоГ32_Принз
Silent Warrior Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 bflagg: Ah well, mesa wrong. But you shouldn't call the X1800 obsolete...
bflagg Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 Well, I have a TFT and never used vsync, because I don't understand what it is. I experienced no problems with Track IR, but should I switsch vsync on for better result using a TFT? What do you think? when you turn your head fast.. you'll see the "tearing".... turn on v-sync and it's either gone...or majorly reduced.... it won't hurt to give it a go.. set it to always on....... and you'll see. Thanks, Brett
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