Su.27 data link

[UWBuRn]

Hello,

i came back flying with DCS with the release of the all new Su-27. :)

 

I noticed of the nice "plane to plane" data link in single player, being able to see position of my wingman even without AWACS/EWR. Alos, if my wingman lock on an a/c i can see it highlighted in the HDD, greatly improving SA and sorting.

 

Does this cool feature also work in multiplayer? I suspect planes need to be in the same group for this to work, and i recall from FC2 days that wasn't possible to have two clients in the same group, but maybe i'm missing something... has anyone tried this out?

[*Rage*]

Hello,

i came back flying with DCS with the release of the all new Su-27. :)

 

I noticed of the nice "plane to plane" data link in single player, being able to see position of my wingman even without AWACS/EWR. Alos, if my wingman lock on an a/c i can see it highlighted in the HDD, greatly improving SA and sorting.

 

Does this cool feature also work in multiplayer? I suspect planes need to be in the same group for this to work, and i recall from FC2 days that wasn't possible to have two clients in the same group, but maybe i'm missing something... has anyone tried this out?

 

 

Not yet. Im told its planned however, which makes me very happy;)

[Buckeye]

Not yet. Im told its planned however, which makes me very happy;)

 

Would be great if they implemented this down the road for both the Flanker and Eagle :thumbup:

[Comes]

Can anybody tell me why the new Radar and Nav-Modes look so much different compared to the old ones?

Where the old ones just not realistic? Is it some kind of different mode?

Just curious.

[Weta43]

The new ones are more realistic.

[UWBuRn]

Not yet. Im told its planned however, which makes me very happy;)

 

Good to know, i will be looking forward to it. :)

[MrTUX]

So is the data-link working in any MP server now(at least plane-to-plane)?

 

One question: if a wingman locks up a target when I am already in STT, will i get the position of the 2nd bandit?

 

Also did the Eagle have any sort of data link back in the 80s-90s or was it introduced later(2000-)?

[*Rage*]

Not yet. Hopefully after the release of DCS 2.0.

[DarkFire]

I could be talking out of my bottom here, but didn't the late series F-15's have a JTIDS terminal?

[WHOGX5]

Also did the Eagle have any sort of data link back in the 80s-90s or was it introduced later(2000-)?

I could be talking out of my bottom here, but didn't the late series F-15's have a JTIDS terminal?

 

Erhm, Kinda..... The JTIDS Class 2R was supposed to be fielded by F-15C's (only 18 F-15C's were actually equipped with them) in the 1980-90's but the programme was scrapped by the OSD (Office of the Secretary of Defense) due to conflicts with, and inferiority to (lower reliability and shorter lifespan than) the NAVY developed MIDS (which incorporates all the features of JTIDS). The airforce ended up choosing the MIDS-LVT(3) FDL, which is now in service aboard both ANG F-15A/B and USAF F-15C/D/E variants. The F-16 and F/A-18 are a part of the MIDS-LVT(1) family (LVT-1/4-7) together with a bunch of other NATO aircrafts (EF-2000, Rafale, Tornado, AMX). JTIDS Class 2 is still being used by certain intelligence aircrafts such as the E-2 Hawkeye (not the E-2D), RC-135 Rivet Joint and E-8 JSTARS, as well as the retired F-14D.

 

In the end it depends on which era of F-15 ED decides to make. If they are going for a Desert Storm-era Eagle, judging by the A-10A, F/A-18C, F-14A/B and Strait of Hormuz, then the F-15 didn't have datalink. If they are going for a present day F-15C it should have full Link 16 support and interoperability with pretty much every USAF/USN/USMC aircraft involved in combat operations today as well as a couple of helicopters (MH-60R/S, AH-64E, etc.).

 

I hope I didn't go too off-topic since this is a SU-27 thread! :music_whistling:

[DarkFire]

Erhm, Kinda..... The JTIDS Class 2R was supposed to be fielded by F-15C's (only 18 F-15C's were actually equipped with them) in the 1980-90's but the programme was scrapped by the OSD (Office of the Secretary of Defense) due to conflicts with, and inferiority to (lower reliability and shorter lifespan than) the NAVY developed MIDS (which incorporates all the features of JTIDS). The airforce ended up choosing the MIDS-LVT(3) FDL, which is now in service aboard both ANG F-15A/B and USAF F-15C/D/E variants. The F-16 and F/A-18 are a part of the MIDS-LVT(1) family (LVT-1/4-7) together with a bunch of other NATO aircrafts (EF-2000, Rafale, Tornado, AMX). JTIDS Class 2 is still being used by certain intelligence aircrafts such as the E-2 Hawkeye (not the E-2D), RC-135 Rivet Joint and E-8 JSTARS, as well as the retired F-14D.

 

In the end it depends on which era of F-15 ED decides to make. If they are going for a Desert Storm-era Eagle, judging by the A-10A, F/A-18C, F-14A/B and Strait of Hormuz, then the F-15 didn't have datalink. If they are going for a present day F-15C it should have full Link 16 support and interoperability with pretty much every USAF/USN/USMC aircraft involved in combat operations today as well as a couple of helicopters (MH-60R/S, AH-64E, etc.).

 

I hope I didn't go too off-topic since this is a SU-27 thread! :music_whistling:

 

Thanks for the clarification, very useful to know. I suppose the ED position on this is like most things: they'd rather not model something if they can't model it realistically. I'd guess that the Link16 spec in particular is heavily classified, preventing a realistic modelling of the system...

[Angel101]

Thanks for the clarification, very useful to know. I suppose the ED position on this is like most things: they'd rather not model something if they can't model it realistically. I'd guess that the Link16 spec in particular is heavily classified, preventing a realistic modelling of the system...

Well, ED doesn't need a lot of info to model a link16, just make a serie of airplanes that show up in your TAD/FCR/ETC... if they are in the same coalition and maybe add the option to send targets from one flight to another.

[whiteladder]

Well, ED doesn't need a lot of info to model a link16, just make a serie of airplanes that show up in your TAD/FCR/ETC... if they are in the same coalition and maybe add the option to send targets from one flight to another.

 

I agree there is plenty of open source info to make a good stab at it. In David Gledhill Tornado F3: A Navigator's Eye on Britain's Last Interceptor there is a good photo of the plan display with the JTIDS contacts

[WHOGX5]

Well, as whiteladder said, we know what Link 16 does, and we have a pretty good idea of how it does it. I don't know whether Link 16 is actually classified or not, but either way there is a lot of information to be found on the internet alone, not to mention the contacts that ED has in the USAF/USN and in the RAF through VEAO.

 

That's the beauty of game making though. ED doesn't have to know exactly how a MIDS-LVT(3) is constructed and what parts it consists of. We know what it does. All ED has to do is to create something that replicates Link 16 in a realistic manner. In the same way that they don't need to know exactly what components are used in an E-3 AWACS. They know what it does, then they replicate it.

[whiteladder]

Dan Hampton also talks about MIDS-LVT(1) in his book "Viper Pilot" again there is certainly enough info from that source to infer how it is used in combat.

[Esac_mirmidon]

Another Su-27 thread opened and turned into other thing.

 

Flanker datalink? Yes its a device called Link 16 mounted on most NATO planes.

 

Thanks.

[MrTUX]

Another Su-27 thread opened and turned into other thing.

 

Flanker datalink? Yes its a device called Link 16 mounted on most NATO planes.

 

Thanks.

 

I didnt mean to derail the thread :music_whistling:

 

 

My point is, at the moment only the su27 has datalink modeled in game (does the mig 29s have it too?).

 

Other fighters like the F15c don't have it, i'd like to know if that is because the real plane in the FC3 timeline (85-95?)didn' t use a similar system, or if simply Link-16/ MIDS etc.. aren't modeled in just yet.

Edited July 9, 2015 by MrTUX
pressed enter too much xD

[Esac_mirmidon]

It's not your fault.

 

Simply when i read the thread title i thought it was about Su-27 datalink but after only two post its turning into a link 16 - mids discussion so it's almost impossible to use a logical searching to find info about a specifc subject when things like this happens.

 

People are free to discus whatever and sometimes its very intereting to share info comparing different systems and devices but IMO some people would think first about changing the subject taking in count the thread's title.

 

Maybe it would say DCS datalink instead Su-27 datalink.

[MrTUX]

It's not your fault.

 

Simply when i read the thread title i thought it was about Su-27 datalink but after only two post its turning into a link 16 - mids discussion so it's almost impossible to use a logical searching to find info about a specifc subject when things like this happens.

 

People are free to discus whatever and sometimes its very intereting to share info comparing different systems and devices but IMO some people would think first about changing the subject taking in count the thread's title.

 

Maybe it would say DCS datalink instead Su-27 datalink.

 

yea i see what you mean, searching in the forums by thread title works better and saves time :book:

it would be better to open another post regarding the f15 datalink:thumbup:

[pepin1234]

What is the capacity of the Data link in the Su-27? I mean how many aircraft can data link with the radar-on unit? I guess is the same hardware for the Mig-29S because the Soviet standard way.

[MrTUX]

I read in the manual that the datalink is supposed to get info from AWACS and ground-based EW radars, are the latter present in DCS ?

 

and how would that work, simply other contacts displayed in the MFD ?

[Weta43]

Yes, EWR are available in the ME.

In SIM they work the same way as AWAC - available through the radio menu & information appearing through the data link (assuming the EWR can see them

[=4c=Nikola]

Datalink still doesn't work in MP in a same group(?)

Edited October 3, 2015 by =4c=Nikola

[Teknetinium]

We fly for years the way a 4-ship Su-27 should not fly. Lets hope for the best in future so we don't get sent to Nevada whit no Glonas.

Edited October 2, 2015 by Teknetinium

[Iceman1987]

Any new information about the Data link fix for the SU-27?

 

Is it actually a bug, or is it disabled to let the Eagle pilots keep the air supremacy and situational awareness