[REPORTED]DB605 sound

[Fixxxer46]

IMO, the sounds (if you open them in their folders from the game directory) is not the problem.

 

It's the mix in the sdef files and the interaction of the sounds within DCS World.(P-51 and FW190 also)

 

Just a rough edit in the files and i was on to something. Got more sound and the whine out of it. I'm sure someone who has the knowledge can make this plane come to life with just those files!

 

So the sound can get alot better in the game itself. Just needs tweaking. As i'm sure they will, since it's Beta.

[Isegrim]

Limitations of ED's current sound engine or the audio "specialist" hasn't simply focused enough with the sound..

 

Hope the sound gets little better over time :thumbup:

 

Basically every ww2 prop plane sound in DCS world at the moment lack that "something".

 

I completly agree with that.

 

 

 

The soundfiles are good but the Audioengine of the simulation breaks it down to something *Different*.

 

I dont think there is a proplem with the soundesigner.

 

 

ISE :)

[DB 605]

You posted 3 interior sounds and 2 exteriors. Don't you hear that the first one of interior has almost no common with the second? Regarding the quality I'd say that the first one seems more close to professional recording the second and the third looks like video-camera fixed on the airframe and getting all its vibration, heavily compressed, etc.

The exteriors are both different having different sound coloration - what is the right pattern, can you say? And both of them suffer from lack of low frequencies. By the way, none from this pair has bright "whistle" - just the wingless and cowlless 109 has it. Uncowled.... possibly it is the answer?

 

Yes, sure i noticed differences between them. First one is recorded in 1990's who knows what system and second is with gopro or something similar. But saying that they have almost no common is exaggeration in my opinion. I can hear lots of common between them and for me it's very clear they both are from Daimler-benz engine. However comparing any of them with DCS interior sounds, now there is definitely no common between them. DCS engine simply does not sound like DB's in those videos.

 

About exterior, no, i can't say wich one is closer to what we would hear in real life. But again, both are clearly same from same engine and are closer to reality than what we have in game currently. In my opinion. :)

 

About the whistle, judging from videos it seems it can be heard clerly only when engine is revving a bit. Like in this video, about at 30:00, whistle is quite clear when he start to taxing:

 

[NineLine]

But saying that they have almost no common is exaggeration in my opinion.

 

Everyone hears things differently...

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2248275&postcount=171

[DB 605]

IMO, the sounds (if you open them in their folders from the game directory) is not the problem.

 

It's the mix in the sdef files and the interaction of the sounds within DCS World.(P-51 and FW190 also)

 

Just a rough edit in the files and i was on to something. Got more sound and the whine out of it. I'm sure someone who has the knowledge can make this plane come to life with just those files!

 

So the sound can get alot better in the game itself. Just needs tweaking. As i'm sure they will, since it's Beta.

 

Who knows, this may well be the main problem. Maybe there is actually proper sounds under the IMHO overdone propeller etc. noise.

In my last flight, i noticed that when flying from external view, from very limited angle i could hear some whistle and actual engine noise.

Let's hope they at least get tweaked :)

[Art-J]

Yo-Yo, go to previous page, post #18, play and FF to 36:40 (wait for both planes to start taxyig). So much for Your "cowlless" argument.

 

By the way, this movie, and first onboard recording from user DB 605's post were made by TFC a couple of years ago, with much emphasis put on audio side, so please, Sith, there's no need for waving the "ED having vast experience of TFC" flag, because it sounds borderline arrogant. They may have, but something got lost between the recordings ED did (if they did) and the result we ended up with.

 

I agree next two onboard clips cannot be used as a precise technical reference material for sampling and I doubt DB 605 thinks the same. Clearly, they're done with some small, simple camera (GoPro probably) and the sound is rough and distorted. Nobody denies that. However, the character, the firing order and exhaust note is easily recognizable as DB, just like in the first recording.

 

Listen to any RR Merlin with open exhaust stubs recording out there and whether it was done with professional camera or a damn potato, you'll recognize it's a Merlin in no time. Exactly the same applies to Allison V-1710 (even when muffled by supercharger installation in P-38!), RR Griffon and... yep, DB series of engines. They're just so easily recognizable between themselves, compared to radials.

 

Current DCS Daimler-Benz rendition doesn't actually sound bad in lower revs range (in my opinion) but is sorely lacking in higher RPM settings and that's what this whole threads seems to be about.

[NineLine]

Who knows, this may well be the main problem. Maybe there is actually proper sounds under the IMHO overdone propeller etc. noise.

In my last flight, i noticed that when flying from external view, from very limited angle i could hear some whistle and actual engine noise.

Let's hope they at least get tweaked :)

 

Maybe you prefer to sit on the wing tip instead of the cockpit :P

[NineLine]

So you are still talking about a recording from outside the aircraft, with an unknown device polluted by who knows what else going on in that recording?

 

And I can throw around the TFC flag all I want, its a true story, I dont care if you think it sounds arrogant, as it sound no more arrogant than thinking you are a DB 605 expert because you have a youtube account....

 

Yo-Yo, go to previous page, post #18, play and FF to 36:40 (wait for both planes to start taxyig). So much for Your "cowlless" argument.

 

By the way, this movie, and first onboard recording from user DB 605's post were made by TFC a couple of years ago, with much emphasis put on audio side, so please, Sith, there's no need for waving the "ED having vast experience of TFC" flag, because it sounds borderline arrogant. They may have, but something got lost between the recordings ED did (if they did) and the result we ended up with.

Edited December 3, 2014 by NineLine

[DB 605]

I agree next two onboard clips cannot be used as a precise technical reference material for sampling and I doubt DB 605 thinks the same. Clearly, they're done with some small, simple camera (GoPro probably) and the sound is rough and distorted. Nobody denies that. However, the character, the firing order and exhaust note is easily recognizable as DB, just like in the first recording.

 

Listen to any RR Merlin with open exhaust stubs recording out there and whether it was done with professional camera or a damn potato, you'll recognize it's a Merlin in no time. Exactly the same applies to Allison V-1710 (even when muffled by supercharger installation in P-38!), RR Griffon and... yep, DB series of engines. They're just so easily recognizable between themselves, compared to radials.

 

Thank you Art-J, that's pretty much what i tried to say but it is sometimes hard with my limited english skills. :)

 

And btw. i agreed your comment about lower revs.

Edited December 3, 2014 by DB 605

[DB 605]

Maybe you prefer to sit on the wing tip instead of the cockpit :P

 

Not really, but DCS 109 is so damn beatifully modelled that sometimes i just have to gaze it for long times...

[NineLine]

Not really, but DCS 109 is so damn beatifully modelled that sometimes i just have to gaze it for long times...

 

Yes, I find myself doing that with every new cockpit ED throws my way :)

[BlitzPuppet]

Agree with the sound being off on the 109 for sure. I have faith that they will fix it and get the sound right.

 

I hope that we don't come off as rude or ungrateful, ED has done an absolute BEAUTIFUL job on the BF-109 from what I saw in my brief playtime yesterday night. They are absolutely close to having the best representation of the 109 in simulation form that I've been waiting for...if I could go back in time and fly one I would. They're my absolute favorite aircraft.

[Alladyn]

___ From my experience, position of microphones make huge difference in recording, not to mention whole electronics, like amps, speakers, different type of microphones(loud/silent) and different type of plugs and cables, software, every-bit count there, and it's only little bit of mountain, trust me!

 

 

youtube camera records make me smile :) its like colors, you see general picture in black n' white, and now you're imagining how it should look with colors, but you have no clue, nor do I. You should ask how ED recorded 605. I bet they did it like professionals.

Edited December 4, 2014 by Alladyn

[Isegrim]

Everyone hears things differently...

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2248275&postcount=171

 

This is from Diveplanes mod thread. And a bad example because those people talk about a mod, and not the original version.

 

And for sure everybody hears things different. There was simply no need for this Forumlink to proof that Sith.:D

 

Its the soundengine of DCS ..... just believe me.:smilewink:

[tusler]

I worked on heavy lift helicopters for 16+ years, as a flying mech as much as they would allow me. My hearing is so poor from sitting under 3 jet engines and a loud whining main gearbox even while always using proper hearing protection,

to me the engine sounds wonderful after I crank up the speakers or headsets loud enough to hear it.

For me (I don't want to start a war here) this is a airplane simulator that also simulates some of the internal systems. It is not an engine simulator. With that in mind I think there is a great balance here so far for it being in Beta.

Thanks ED.:thumbup:

[313_Nevo]

...as it sound no more arrogant than thinking you are a DB 605 expert because you have a youtube account....

:thumbup:

[NineLine]

This is from Diveplanes mod thread. And a bad example because those people talk about a mod, and not the original version.

 

And for sure everybody hears things different. There was simply no need for this Forumlink to proof that Sith.:D

 

Its the soundengine of DCS ..... just believe me.:smilewink:

 

It made a point, its a valid point as not everyone thinks the sounds are bad, me included.

[DB 605]

It made a point, its a valid point as not everyone thinks the sounds are bad, me included.

 

Sounds are not bad, they just don't have lots of common with daimler-benz sounds. At least with current mix.

[iFoxRomeo]

Well, one could put a "GoPro"(or other) cam inside one's car and compare the resulting video with the real sound...

 

Aircraft do sound completely different inside, compared to outside. Inside you have e.g. no doppler effect. Dampening because of ear protection and or helmet. The Huey is a good example for this.

 

Maybe the DCS K-4 engine is a little bit on the low volume side...

And I think and hope the soundengine in DCS2.0 will improve the overall audio experience.

 

Lean forward and backward in the K-4 and the sound changes extremely.

 

Fox

[Conroy]

Sounds are not bad, they just don't have lots of common with daimler-benz sounds. At least with current mix.

 

 

We'll see.

 

However this DCS K4 is really amazing, non doubts about it. A good mod will do it perfect.

[Solty]

It realy is the same for each WW2 plane. If you download mod from Diveplane, it is much more powerful, although they are too loud for me and need a little bit of tweaking to make the game usable again.

 

It must be the recording equipment that doesn't pick up the mechanical "wrrrr", but more of the 'zzzzzzzummmmmmm'. As if it was muffed so it won't hurt our ears... I don't know... The original sounds don't feel powerful. They are detailed, you immediately know what your RPM are and if your engine is hurt... but they don't give you that ideal or close to real life experience.

[NineLine]

Well, one could put a "GoPro"(or other) cam inside one's car and compare the resulting video with the real sound...

 

Aircraft do sound completely different inside, compared to outside. Inside you have e.g. no doppler effect. Dampening because of ear protection and or helmet. The Huey is a good example for this.

 

Maybe the DCS K-4 engine is a little bit on the low volume side...

And I think and hope the soundengine in DCS2.0 will improve the overall audio experience.

 

Lean forward and backward in the K-4 and the sound changes extremely.

 

Fox

 

I hope my car is quieter and has less vibrations and such than a 1940's fighter :)

[NineLine]

Ok guys, I finally concede... I will have ED use this source to make the correct sounds...

 

[Knecht_]

Ok guys, I finally concede... I will have ED use this source to make the correct sounds...

 

 

Sounds awesome! :lol:

[DB 605]

Well, one could put a "GoPro"(or other) cam inside one's car and compare the resulting video with the real sound...

 

Aircraft do sound completely different inside, compared to outside. Inside you have e.g. no doppler effect. Dampening because of ear protection and or helmet. The Huey is a good example for this.

 

Maybe the DCS K-4 engine is a little bit on the low volume side...

And I think and hope the soundengine in DCS2.0 will improve the overall audio experience.

 

Lean forward and backward in the K-4 and the sound changes extremely.

 

Fox

 

 

I have actually done that, recorded few videos from my old BMW M5. Not gopro but other cameras. Of course there is differences between what i hear from video and real life but the basic engine sound is still the same, easily recognizable.

 

I have also taken couple of videos from airshows and put them up to youtube. P-51D for example. So again, i know how Merlin sounds in real life and low quality video. Again, well recognizable.

 

And, i've also recorded some videos from civil prop planes, same old story.

 

No matter wich camera i had my hands, none of them are changed the way the engine actually sounds, NEVER. It is not the problem here goddamnit :D

 

Problem is not the volume in the cockpit either, problem is the way the engine sound in DCS K4, because it does not resemble Daimler-Benz sounds.

Again, maybe it is because it is mixed in hurry or whoknows what.

 

Anyone have Klaus Plasa or Volker Bau email adress or phone number?

Would be really interesting to hear their opinion...:)

 

 

It realy is the same for each WW2 plane.

 

Maybe, but at least DCS Mustang engine sounds like Merlin.

 

However this DCS K4 is really amazing, non doubts aboutit.

Here i definitely agree. It's sim dream come true, no less.