Cibit Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Ho chums, I got the 109 in the latest sale and am surprisingly excited. What I dont want is to rush and then relearn everything. Can I ask for you to list most important aspects of this aircraft and any tips and hints. Assume (rightly) that I know nothing of prop pitch, mixtures and all the other relevant things. I mean 2 types of fuel :helpsmilie:!!! i5 8600k@5.2Ghz, Asus Prime A Z370, 32Gb DDR4 3000, GTX1080 SC, Oculus Rift CV1, Modded TM Warthog Modded X52 Collective, Jetseat, W10 Pro 64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Adding JTAC Guide //My Vid's//229th AHB
nervousenergy Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Fortunately you don't need to know anything about prop pitch, RPM, or mixtures. The 109 used an automated governor, revolutionary for its time, to manage all that. You can turn it off to get an advantage in certain circumstances where it doesn't make optimal decisions, but I'd put that way down on your training list as it's pretty marginal. Others may have different sticky points in training, but mine was getting the plane straight down the runway while landing and avoiding dragging a wingtip. The landing gear carriage is very narrow, so you have little margin for error if you're a bit sideways when touching down. Takeoff is cake... it flies itself right off the ground. Don't forget to turn on the governor (can't remember the German name for it... kommandogerat?) if you cold start. 1 PC - 3900X - Asus Crosshair Hero VIII - NZXT Kraken 63 - 32 GB RAM - 2080ti - SB X-Fi Titanium PCIe - Alienware UW - Windows 10 Sim hardware - Warthog throttle - VKB Gunfighter III - CH Quadrant - Slaw Device Pedals - Obutto R3volution pit - HP Reverb G2 - 2X AuraSound shakers
SlipBall Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 I like to turn off the automated governor for take-offs and landings, but I think that may be covered in manual pretty well. I've been meaning to read it in its entirety, one of these days :D 1
Vespa Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 I like to turn off the automated governor for take-offs and landings Any hints about how you manage the prop manually? Thanks 1
Derbysieger Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Look up your key bindings for Engine RPM INCREASE and Engine RPM DECREASE. I put it on the Boat Switch on my WH HOTAS. For take off you can use manual prop pitch at the 12 o'clock position to reduce the torque effect on take off and switch back to automatic once in the air (I don't usually bother with it because I can manage the torque just fine) You can also use it to slow down the aircraft for landing. The Bf 109 is a very good glider and even in idle it likes to stay above 400km/h, especially during descent. Edited January 5, 2015 by Derbysieger 1 CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D | Mobo: ASRock X870E Taichi Lite | RAM: 96GB DDR5-6000 CL30 | GPU: ASUS RTX5090 32GB ROG Astral | SSDs: 3xSamsung 990 Pro 4TB M.2 Peripherals: Warthog HOTAS | Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base | TrackIR 5 | MFG Crosswinds | 3xTM Cougar MFDs | HP Reverb G2
Buzzles Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Best tip I figured out recently: Take off can be performed with an unlocked tail wheel if you've got decent pedals. Landings cannot be performed with an unlocked tail wheel unless you're some sort of flying god. :) 1 Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here!
SlipBall Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Any hints about how you manage the prop manually? Thanks Not really a lot to it for me, I set it at 12: for both the take-off and the landing. I turn the automation back on soon after the take-off when comfortable with the alt and speed. I leave it off after the landing though
nervousenergy Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 I definitely agree with going manual and upping the RPM when on final, as otherwise it can be a real bear to get her to shed any speed if you're coming in a bit hot. Same problem the 190 has, but it doesn't have an override. Hard to see the point in takeoff. The torque isn't THAT bad. Just give it a bit of rudder. You don't have to deal with any of the snap-drop instability the 190 has on takeoff. PC - 3900X - Asus Crosshair Hero VIII - NZXT Kraken 63 - 32 GB RAM - 2080ti - SB X-Fi Titanium PCIe - Alienware UW - Windows 10 Sim hardware - Warthog throttle - VKB Gunfighter III - CH Quadrant - Slaw Device Pedals - Obutto R3volution pit - HP Reverb G2 - 2X AuraSound shakers
SlipBall Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 I definitely agree with going manual and upping the RPM when on final, as otherwise it can be a real bear to get her to shed any speed if you're coming in a bit hot. Same problem the 190 has, but it doesn't have an override. Hard to see the point in takeoff. The torque isn't THAT bad. Just give it a bit of rudder. You don't have to deal with any of the snap-drop instability the 190 has on takeoff. I guess that when I start the engine I have it off and just wind up leaving it off till I'm up and on my way...probably just a little lazy is why I do it :P
Nascar Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Go to options>special uncheck auto rudder and put the slider for take off assist to 0. It is anything but takeoff assist. 1 Thermaltake Core P90 Tempered Glass//Thermaltake iRGB Plus 1200W//GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS MASTER LGA 1151//9800x3d//Thermaltake CL420 Copper Radiator//Thermaltake W4 Plus//Jungle Leopard Prism 140mm//Samsung 1TB 970 EVO NVMe M2//SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 500GB //G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series//Asrock 7900xt//Logitech G940//Virpil MT50 Throttle//MFG Crosswind rudder pedals//Geko GSeat//Gametrix Jetseat//Reverb G2//Viril VFX//Razer Nari Ultimate
Fixxxer46 Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Adding to what is here already. I find it's easier and just as good to just keep it auto rpm while takeoff and landing. But making it manual when landing will help you brake faster. Also stick back when landing, it will help stabilise you. :smilewink: Lock your tailgear when not turning. Lots of work with the rudder(more than P-51 and FW190). Full right when start of takeoff, then ease off little by little. When ready to takeoff push stick forward to not make it stall. 1
Cibit Posted January 7, 2015 Author Posted January 7, 2015 Thanks for all your tips, I guess it is the same with all DCS modules, the more time you put in the better you are. Generally;) Definitely got some things to try now though so again thank you:thumbup: i5 8600k@5.2Ghz, Asus Prime A Z370, 32Gb DDR4 3000, GTX1080 SC, Oculus Rift CV1, Modded TM Warthog Modded X52 Collective, Jetseat, W10 Pro 64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Adding JTAC Guide //My Vid's//229th AHB
PhoenixBvo Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 About the approach for landing, I really recommend a low altitude break turn approach: It avoids the need to slow down using prop pitch and most importantly once you can do it well in one prop plane, you can land all of them. And not unimportant: it looks cool too! 8) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU i7 4970k @ 4.7 GHz RAM 16GB G.Skill TridentX 1600 ATX ASUS Z97-PRO DSU Samsung 850 PRO 256GB SSD for Win10, Plextor M6e 128GB SSD for DCS exclusively, RAID-1 HDDs GFX Aorus GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Xtreme Edition, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, 27" with G-Sync, Oculus Rift CV1 HID TM HOTAS Warthog + 10 cm extension, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR 5, Obutto oZone My TM Warthog Profile + Chart, F-15C EM Diagram Generator
JST Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 About the approach for landing, I really recommend a low altitude break turn approach: An absolute time saver. I just fly over the airfield and only cut the throttle at the end of the runway and then do a tight hairpin while lowering gear and flaps to slow down. No need to spend 1-2 minutes in just the slowing down approach. My skins/liveries for Fw 190 D-9 and Bf 109 K-4: My blog or Forums. Open for requests as well. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Cibit Posted January 8, 2015 Author Posted January 8, 2015 My problem atm is not t/o or landing its keeping straight whilst taxiing or after initial landing. I think I will look at tweaking toe brake axis. I dont seem to be able to provide enough pressure and keep rudder position. Also I keep forgetting to lock tailwheel. can anyone tell me the default key.:book: i5 8600k@5.2Ghz, Asus Prime A Z370, 32Gb DDR4 3000, GTX1080 SC, Oculus Rift CV1, Modded TM Warthog Modded X52 Collective, Jetseat, W10 Pro 64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Adding JTAC Guide //My Vid's//229th AHB
Derbysieger Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Without crosswind you don't even need brakes to keep her straight. As with the other WWII birds the most important thing is to keep the wings level and land without side slip. Keep the ball centered! This is the most important thing. If you manage that it'll be much easier to control the aircraft. I have done a lot of landings without even touching the brakes until taxiing off the runway. These runways are build for jets, not light WWII fighters. You have all the time in the world to set the aircraft down, you can be 3/4ths down the runway and you'll still have enough room for a secure landing. Edited January 8, 2015 by Derbysieger CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D | Mobo: ASRock X870E Taichi Lite | RAM: 96GB DDR5-6000 CL30 | GPU: ASUS RTX5090 32GB ROG Astral | SSDs: 3xSamsung 990 Pro 4TB M.2 Peripherals: Warthog HOTAS | Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base | TrackIR 5 | MFG Crosswinds | 3xTM Cougar MFDs | HP Reverb G2
lesnyborsuk Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 It avoids the need to slow down using prop pitch and most importantly once you can do it well in one prop plane, you can land all of them. An absolute time saver. I just fly over the airfield and only cut the throttle at the end of the runway and then do a tight hairpin while lowering gear and flaps to slow down. No need to spend 1-2 minutes in just the slowing down approach. You can also use side-slip to loose altitude. Just turn ailerons to one direction, and apply rudder to opposite. This is very useful. I remember when sex was safe and flying was dangerous.
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