Friedrich-4B Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Looking forward to a future project. Two jet engines, 2 or 4 x 30mm cannon mit mineshells and (maybe) a couple of bombs? What's not to like about the Me 262? Anyway, here are some primary source documents to peruse: (via Avialogs [first two] and Zenos Warbirds Edited February 12, 2015 by Friedrich-4/B Doh! Project confirmed 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]************************************* Fortunately, Mk IX is slightly stable, anyway, the required stick travel is not high... but nothing extraordinary. Very pleasant to fly, very controllable, predictable and steady. We never refuse to correct something that was found outside ED if it is really proven...But we never will follow some "experts" who think that only they are the greatest aerodynamic guru with a secret knowledge. :smartass: WWII AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE
JST Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 262 has already been confirmed. This plane was also the most important reason I backed the project during Kickstarter. Don't forget R4M rockets! 1 My skins/liveries for Fw 190 D-9 and Bf 109 K-4: My blog or Forums. Open for requests as well. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
golani79 Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 Already looking forward to it. Meanwhile I´m flying this from time to time :) Thanks for the documents! >> DCS liveries by golani79 <<
Friedrich-4B Posted February 14, 2015 Author Posted February 14, 2015 262 has already been confirmed. This plane was also the most important reason I backed the project during Kickstarter. Don't forget R4M rockets! I didn't forget the R4Ms, it's rather that I catergorise them as a "Europe 1945" weapon. Nevertheless, they were a significant addition to the Luftwaffe's armoury and are worth having. Some good info can be found in Luftwaffe Cockpit's website goto R - Rockets of the Luftwaffe - Luftwaffe R4M "Orkan" - there are some original documents posted. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]************************************* Fortunately, Mk IX is slightly stable, anyway, the required stick travel is not high... but nothing extraordinary. Very pleasant to fly, very controllable, predictable and steady. We never refuse to correct something that was found outside ED if it is really proven...But we never will follow some "experts" who think that only they are the greatest aerodynamic guru with a secret knowledge. :smartass: WWII AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE
Yob Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 Love all these docs you post friedrich......... fantastic 487th Squadron Section Leader
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 i am also really looking forward to that bird...not soo much to do combat in it tbh, but just to fly the first real jet....i have high hopes for the engine simulation of that module.
Alicatt Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 i am also really looking forward to that bird...not soo much to do combat in it tbh, but just to fly the first real jet....i have high hopes for the engine simulation of that module. Yeah can't wait to fly the Meteor too, it flew and entered service before the Me262 But as far as I recall the first jet to fly was the Heinkel He178. Sons of Dogs, Come Eat Flesh Clan Cameron
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 :) i knew such a comment would quote me....
JST Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Yeah can't wait to fly the Meteor too, it flew and entered service before the Me262 Source? According to Wikipedia, Me 262 flew and entered service before the Meteor. My skins/liveries for Fw 190 D-9 and Bf 109 K-4: My blog or Forums. Open for requests as well. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Alicatt Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Maybe it was the meteor was the first jet put into production then, senility catches up on you after a while :D Sons of Dogs, Come Eat Flesh Clan Cameron
Friedrich-4B Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 Source? According to Wikipedia, Me 262 flew and entered service before the Meteor. According to Smith & Creek http://www.amazon.com/262-Volume-Two-Richard-Smith/dp/0952686732, the first Me 262 reached the first operational/trials unit Erprobungskommando (EKdo) 262 on 19 April 1944; the first operational sorties seem to have taken place around mid-July: Hptm. Thierfelder was KIA 18 July while on a sortie against American bombers, and a 544 Sqn PR Mosquito flown by Flt Lt Wall was intercepted on 25 July. According to Shacklady http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Gloster-Meteor-Aircraft-monographs/dp/B0000CLKKP , the first Meteor I, EE219, reached 616 Sqn on 12 July 1944, with the first operational sorties on 27 July (anti-V 1). So, by the look of the info I have, the 262 entered service about 3 months before the Meteor, but beat it into its first operational sorties by only a matter of a couple of weeks - so far I cannot find an exact date for the 262's first operations against enemy aircraft. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]************************************* Fortunately, Mk IX is slightly stable, anyway, the required stick travel is not high... but nothing extraordinary. Very pleasant to fly, very controllable, predictable and steady. We never refuse to correct something that was found outside ED if it is really proven...But we never will follow some "experts" who think that only they are the greatest aerodynamic guru with a secret knowledge. :smartass: WWII AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE
MiloMorai Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 The thing is 616 was a true operational unit while EKdo was not.
Friedrich-4B Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 The thing is 616 was a true operational unit while EKdo was not. Yes and no: Erprobungskommando means Operational Test Unit - Smith & Creek call it an Experimental Operational Unit - so the aircraft were meant to be used operationally against enemy aircraft, while sorting out any problems that showed up and/or devising tactics. Strictly speaking, 616 Sqn was also an operational test unit for the first few months on the Meteor; it was the only squadron to use the Meteor I and it also was used to help work out the bugs of the aircraft, and devise operational tactics. That's the best way I can put it, others might be able to explain things better. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]************************************* Fortunately, Mk IX is slightly stable, anyway, the required stick travel is not high... but nothing extraordinary. Very pleasant to fly, very controllable, predictable and steady. We never refuse to correct something that was found outside ED if it is really proven...But we never will follow some "experts" who think that only they are the greatest aerodynamic guru with a secret knowledge. :smartass: WWII AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE
ED Team NineLine Posted February 15, 2015 ED Team Posted February 15, 2015 I didn't forget the R4Ms, it's rather that I catergorise them as a "Europe 1945" weapon. Nevertheless, they were a significant addition to the Luftwaffe's armoury and are worth having. Some good info can be found in Luftwaffe Cockpit's website goto R - Rockets of the Luftwaffe - Luftwaffe R4M "Orkan" - there are some original documents posted. They are slated for the 190 at some point, its been noted they were also historically available on the 262 at some point as well... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Captain Orso Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Yes and no: Erprobungskommando means Operational Test Unit - Smith & Creek call it an Experimental Operational Unit - so the aircraft were meant to be used operationally against enemy aircraft, while sorting out any problems that showed up and/or devising tactics. Strictly speaking, 616 Sqn was also an operational test unit for the first few months on the Meteor; it was the only squadron to use the Meteor I and it also was used to help work out the bugs of the aircraft, and devise operational tactics. That's the best way I can put it, others might be able to explain things better. There are many stories of combat experience with and versus the 262. I don't think I've ever heard a single one about the Meteor. Were they actually in combat anywhere, other than chasing down V1's? When you hit the wrong button on take-off System Specs. Spoiler System board: MSI X670E ACE Memory: 64GB DDR5-6000 G.Skill Ripjaw System disk: Crucial P5 M.2 2TB CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D PSU: Corsair HX1200 PSU Monitor: ASUS MG279Q, 27" CPU cooling: Noctua NH-D15S Graphics card: MSI RTX 3090Ti SuprimX VR: Oculus Rift CV1
MiloMorai Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 There are many stories of combat experience with and versus the 262. I don't think I've ever heard a single one about the Meteor. Were they actually in combat anywhere, other than chasing down V1's? 616 moved to Gilze-Rijen in March and then in April, to Nijmegen. The Meteors flew armed recon and ground attack operations without encountering any German jet fighters. At this time in the war even some Allied piston pilots flew their tour without seeing a single German a/c.
Captain Orso Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Thanks Milo . Probably why there wasn't much to talk about that would have gained the interest of the public in general. When you hit the wrong button on take-off System Specs. Spoiler System board: MSI X670E ACE Memory: 64GB DDR5-6000 G.Skill Ripjaw System disk: Crucial P5 M.2 2TB CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D PSU: Corsair HX1200 PSU Monitor: ASUS MG279Q, 27" CPU cooling: Noctua NH-D15S Graphics card: MSI RTX 3090Ti SuprimX VR: Oculus Rift CV1
Crumpp Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Here is some performance info on the Me262 in standard vs planned configurations, Flugzeug Handbuch, and the manual used by Wright Patterson for their test flights. Answers to most important questions ATC can ask that every pilot should memorize: 1. No, I do not have a pen. 2. Indicating 250
Friedrich-4B Posted February 17, 2015 Author Posted February 17, 2015 Now for the weapons; attached are a Handbuch for the MK 108 and 2 documents dealing with the R4M, plus a plan of the R4M launcher. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]************************************* Fortunately, Mk IX is slightly stable, anyway, the required stick travel is not high... but nothing extraordinary. Very pleasant to fly, very controllable, predictable and steady. We never refuse to correct something that was found outside ED if it is really proven...But we never will follow some "experts" who think that only they are the greatest aerodynamic guru with a secret knowledge. :smartass: WWII AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE
Alicatt Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Here is some performance info on the Me262 in standard vs planned configurations, Flugzeug Handbuch, and the manual used by Wright Patterson for their test flights. Thanks for sharing:) While not a big problem, pages 6 and 7 are out of sequence in the final pdf. Sons of Dogs, Come Eat Flesh Clan Cameron
flare2000x Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Here is the RAE tests of the 262 and also the He 162 and Me 163. FlareRAE-german-jets.pdf 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] DCS:WWII 1944 BACKER --- Fw. 190D-9 --- Bf. 109K-4 --- P-51D --- Spitfire! Specs: Intel i7-3770 @3.9 Ghz - NVidia GTX 960 - 8GB RAM - OCz Vertex 240GB SSD - Toshiba 1TB HDD - Corsair CX 600M Power Supply - MSI B75MA-P45 MoBo - Defender Cobra M5
ED Team NineLine Posted February 24, 2015 ED Team Posted February 24, 2015 I love that these guys are just down the road from me :) https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152841379843666 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
JST Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Damn, that is impressive. The original WWII-era Jumo 004 was painstakingly re-engineered using sophisticated metal alloy components and modern production techniques in order to overcome the problems encountered with the notoriously troublesome power plants during the war. Also glad to hear it's not just some working engine found in a swamp made to run. My skins/liveries for Fw 190 D-9 and Bf 109 K-4: My blog or Forums. Open for requests as well. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ED Team NineLine Posted February 24, 2015 ED Team Posted February 24, 2015 Damn, that is impressive. Also glad to hear it's not just some working engine found in a swamp made to run. Yeah, the goal is to be flying again... rumours swirling that they have a Stuka in progress to get flight worthy again as well... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Backy 51 Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 That is an impressive feat ... sure hope they mod an ACES II for the pilot. I don't need no stinkin' GPS! (except for PGMs :D) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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