Valve/HTC Vive Discussion

[liq3]

A question for the Aussie who has ordered and received a Vive. Did you have to pay Fedx import duties? Did you receive paperwork?

 

Received paperwork. Didn't have to pay anything.

[Bisch]

I must say Vive immersion is awesome! However, image quality is worse than expected. Especially in DCS where it's most important (spotting, reading hud/instruments).

Everything is way to blurry and everything slightly off the center is way worse.

DCS also crashes/freezes a lot. Do you recommend 1.5 or 2?

[Vivoune]

I must say Vive immersion is awesome! However, image quality is worse than expected. Especially in DCS where it's most important (spotting, reading hud/instruments).

Everything is way to blurry and everything slightly off the center is way worse.

DCS also crashes/freezes a lot. Do you recommend 1.5 or 2?

 

I'm afraid the Vive is a hard beast to master and finding the perfect way to adjust it to get the best screen quality and the widest sweet spot is no small feat. There are plenty of threads about it on Reddit if you feel like reading about guides to get the best out of your Vive.

 

It sure won't look like HD though, but most people seem to find it quite playable.

[Bisch]

I'm afraid the Vive is a hard beast to master and finding the perfect way to adjust it to get the best screen quality and the widest sweet spot is no small feat. There are plenty of threads about it on Reddit if you feel like reading about guides to get the best out of your Vive.

 

It sure won't look like HD though, but most people seem to find it quite playable.

 

Thanks for encouraging me ;)

Yep, Im about to set me space up as good as possible. Lets see how much is possible....

[Axion]

LOL. My Vive is coming this Tuesday. So much for the Rift pre-order! Rift was delayed to late May. As I said, I'll review both, then sell off the one I don't like. Can't wait! As a DK1 and DK2 user, I'm pretty used to VR by now, so I think I can be critical w/o being overly wowed by the initial VR experience. Having sold my DK2 on Ebay (took all of 5 minutes to sell!) I'm going through VR withdrawl! :)

 

Aye, pre-ordered the Rift within an hour of launch. Now it's delayed early to mid June. In comparison, ordered the Vive on the 31st March (way after the pre-order opened) and it's due for delivery next Tuesday!

[Vivoune]

Thanks for encouraging me ;)

Yep, Im about to set me space up as good as possible. Lets see how much is possible....

 

No problem ^^.

 

 

QuickTip for Vive:

 

I was very disappointed by the image while using the Vive over the last day since I first set it up. Only the very center was clear. I had to turn my head and look directly at anything to see it at all clearly. I had the thicker padding on and I removed it and used only a thin piece of cloth I cut out in its place and it's a MILLION times better!!! I can't even explain how much better it is. The full screen is CLEAR! I can't even notice any blurring off center anymore! IT's absolutely amazing how much better it is. You have to try it and let me know what you think.

 

 

Also: remove as in the Video and wear the Vive, like a HMD 2nd gen i think

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lUcshsGSaohttp://

[benzyme]

I have a Vive and a GTX 980Ti and i74930k @ 4.5GHz. I have been playing Elite: Dangerous (without issue) and thought I'd give DCS a go. Installed and attempted to run, but as soon as I got into the game the head tracking was jumpy as hell! I'd move my head and the screen would follow, but as soon as I stop the camera would jump to a different position and do this repeatedly making the game unplayable!

 

If anyone has any tips or insight into why this might be happening I'd appreciate the help!

 

FYI: I'm running the game on the lowest settings possible.

[benzyme]

SOLVED:

 

For anyone else who is getting this sort of issue: make sure you turn VSYNC OFF!!

 

Really affects the frame rate and head tracking if on!

 

Thanks guys!

[Milopapa]

Which version did you try? Steam?

[vicx]

Thanks for the replies S3nt and Liq. Looks like I wasn't as lucky as you guys; I have had to pay import duties ($205).

 

I have been a bit unlucky across the board. My delivery address got rejected by Digital River when orders went live and made me miss April. Finally got a credit hold from HTC but the AUD tanked before actual charging and then the final FU from VISA was a currency conversion mugging.

 

Oh well ... just waiting for the box now.

[haXs]

Vive issues

 

Hello,

 

Wonder if anyone has had a similar issue to mine, I tried a search but nothings come up - When i load up DCS with my Vive the screen is either behind me or off the side but never in front where my keyboard and mouse are, I also seem to be floating into the air. If anyone has any suggestions would be appreciated!

[Loz]

Have you tried Numpad 5?

[Loz]

Another short video clip showing a landing in the TF-51D with the HTC Vive.

 

Would love to know what your system specs are and what setting you use in DCS (version?) to get those framerates.

Also what output are you using to make the video, as it looks far more like what you see through the HMD than most videos, which presumably use the Mirror output and are far sharper than in real life. (By that I mean what you see in the HMD)

Edited May 4, 2016 by Loz
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[WindyTX]

Check your room setup if you dont get the floor right it will start in a funky position.

I had to update the firmware in my controllers before it would set the floor properly.

 

Num 5 should also reset the seated position carefully.

[S3NTRY11]

Thanks for the replies S3nt and Liq. Looks like I wasn't as lucky as you guys; I have had to pay import duties ($205).

 

I have been a bit unlucky across the board. My delivery address got rejected by Digital River when orders went live and made me miss April. Finally got a credit hold from HTC but the AUD tanked before actual charging and then the final FU from VISA was a currency conversion mugging.

 

Oh well ... just waiting for the box now.

Oh man. Sorry to hear that. It's so strange that you were charged duty where others of us did not. Sounds like something went awry there.

 

I had payment issues too, but only resulted in a $40 step due to currency fluctuation.

 

All be worth it in the end for you, I have no doubt.

[Spetz]

Haven't order either of them yet, but from reading everything here you can only get 90+ fps with everything on low? Then what's the point? I understand "immersion factor" etc.. but if you can't read gauges, can't see trees, why bother spending $500 + on it? IMHO the eye candy that DCS affords is one of the reasons why I fly it. Turning it all off IOT have have a glorified TrackiR seems a little off..

 

Hopefully when I (possibly) get one next spring (heading overseas without my computer) the CV2 and newer GPU's will be out and things will have progressed to the point where it is a no brainer to want to purchase either the vive or the rift.

[hansangb]

In reality Spetz, you don't understand "immersion factor" You can't until you experience it. It's like asking me to describe the color red to someone who was born blind. The immersion factor is so good that one can easily overlook the slight hit on eye candy. You can read gauges, may not CRYSTAL clearly, but you can make it out just fine. Even in DK2, you can get by. If you get a chance, dry out the Vive or Rift and you'll get why it's a game changer.

[Vivoune]

You have to try it to see the point. That's the main problem of VR adoption besides its price range and why HTC and Facebook are trying to get both HMDs at as many shows as often as possible.

 

In term of experience your brain is just tricked into believing you are in the cockpit, you are a pilot in a combat aircraft, only with a pilot that need glasses ^^. The image quality isn't terrible either, it certainly isn't 1080p, more like in between 480 and 720p. With the upcoming new video card chips landing soon and optimisation continuing I'm sure most will be able to run DCS at mid to high quality at good enough FPS sooner rather than later.

 

I don't think anyone can truly convey how game changing VR is to the sim world but I think that most simmers testimonies about how they can't go back to 2D screen even if it's higher quality is something that speaks for itself.

 

About CV2, both companies are talking about a 2 year product cycle so I wouldn't expect anything available next year. Per their previsions both CV2 should be expected in 2018 at the earliest. That's just their estimations though, a technology breakthrough or unsuspected incomes can always change that for the better or worse.

Edited May 5, 2016 by Vivoune

[RoyMi6]

I understand "immersion factor"

 

You really don't... :)

[mjonesjr8]

what settings are you using? I get lots of flickering

 

Another short video clip showing a landing in the TF-51D with the HTC Vive. This time I'm using the HTC Vive CV1. Frames are mostly 90fps. And with this mission I've added 2 other aircraft (bots) in the area. Still getting good performance, but still more optimization needs to be done. Have also implemented voice coms using Viacom & Voice Attack for ATC interaction. This makes coms much easier and natural.

 

[Nascar]

DigitalEngine, have you confirmed your SLI is active while playing? What percentage are each of your cards reaching while playing?

[Nascar]

No haven't,

I've tried DCS Word with SLI disabled and enabled, but really, there is no noticeable difference I can tell as of yet.

 

I just brought it up because you have the fastest cards available and if I were you I wouldn't want that $600+ card sitting idle. I suspect that one of them isn't being utilized. If you are just enabling SLI globally in the control panel it is probably not working. You might want to get MSI Afterburner or a similar monitoring program to ensure your card is being used. When I had SLI I had to specifically add DCS to Nvidia control panel and link it to the launch icon for it to work. It became a hassle though because every time you would get a driver update it reverts to using one card.

[Bisch]

The immersion factor is really huge. But so is grafics downgrade. :(

I also have another problem. I see planes in my sight double very often. This is because of the big performance gap between my two eyes One is almost eagle-like the other one is on 40-50% making the other eye lead so much I often have two visions at once using certain visual hardware like the vive or binoculars

[alvmarti]

I just brought it up because you have the fastest cards available and if I were you I wouldn't want that $600+ card sitting idle. I suspect that one of them isn't being utilized. If you are just enabling SLI globally in the control panel it is probably not working. You might want to get MSI Afterburner or a similar monitoring program to ensure your card is being used. When I had SLI I had to specifically add DCS to Nvidia control panel and link it to the launch icon for it to work. It became a hassle though because every time you would get a driver update it reverts to using one card.

 

I have the same problem here. I've got 2x970 gtx cards in SLI. One of them in idle. I red somewhere that Nvidia is still testing the SLI in VR. Trying to lock each graphics card to a different eye. That way the heavy graphics load would be relieved, so that the settings can be higher. Let's cross fingers to see that happening any moment soon.

[Axion]

No haven't,

I've tried DCS Word with SLI disabled and enabled, but really, there is no noticeable difference I can tell as of yet.

 

Concur, I just assumed DCS is not optimised for SLI at present.

 

As for the Vive, I can't make out the values of the gauges in the Su-27 without some major head forward zooming. Same with the HUD heading tape. Infact I can't make that out at all without guessing the value, regardless of in pit zooming.

 

I can only assume it is a hardware limitation (resolution) of the Vive at present.