Dont understand landing.

[agentdarnell]

I crash a lot when I try and land aircraft on land, but can do it great on an aircraft carrier. I am looking forward to my X55 arriving and hope that helps control better than the logitech 3d.

[marchand73]

As a complete newcomer to this sim I use logitech 3d and have no problem landing whatsoever. Great stick.

 

if you don't use it already then try the logitech profiler software... can make a tremendous difference.

Edited March 2, 2015 by marchand73

[agentdarnell]

I dont use it for the game. I only have a few days left before my x55. I am sure it has to do with my experience. I have always been huge into first person shooters and not had much time behind a stick. Part of it is having to learn to trust my instruments and not just my eyes.

[EagleFox]

How do you crash?

Is it becuase high vertical speed or you miss the runway?...

[agentdarnell]

Mostly because of speed I guess. Going too fast when I try to set wheels down. I have been getting better tonight. I almost landed a f-15c that nose and part of one wing was shot off. I made it alive, but landing gear collapsed and started a fire, but hey I got out. I just landed my a-10c at night and landed a mig29 during the day. I just think it is funny how the first time and since I can land on a carrier but was crashing on the runway on land.

[lmp]

The Su-33 has the older Standard Flight Model, while most of the land based planes (A-10, F-15, Su-25, Su-27) have Advanced/Professional Flight Models, which can be more tricky. Maybe that's the problem?

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

What are your approach speeds in the Eagle?

[DarkFire]

Mostly because of speed I guess. Going too fast when I try to set wheels down. I have been getting better tonight. I almost landed a f-15c that nose and part of one wing was shot off. I made it alive, but landing gear collapsed and started a fire, but hey I got out. I just landed my a-10c at night and landed a mig29 during the day. I just think it is funny how the first time and since I can land on a carrier but was crashing on the runway on land.

 

I can't comment on the F-15 as I don't fly it, but certainly the Su-27 and Su-25(T), both having the newest flight model, both require lengthy final approaches as they take a long time to bleed airspeed, even with airbrakes open.

 

Try giving yourself plenty of time to fly a circuit and approach. The longer the approach, the longer you'll have to set yourself up at the correct speed, AOA, glide path etc.

 

Having a more sophisticated HOTAS setup may well help you to be more accurate. If you haven't done so already try applying some curve to your input axes and see if that helps.

[EagleFox]

Yep if you can't bleed the speed try the side slipping. Yes yes I know its for crosswind landings, but just use it a little so you dont miss the runway and you are gonna bleed speed faster.

[escaner]

Landing the F-15 VFR is pretty easy, but if you are new to flight simulators it will take you some training. Just align with the runway, keep your speed about 150 KIAS on final and the TVV (total velocity vector) on the numbers of the runway. Set throttle to idle before touchdown and flare.

Keep your nose up about 13º in the landing run for aerobraking down to 90 KIAS. Then lower your nose and brake.

 

The hardest thing could be bleeding energy. Fly a landing pattern, use the 90º turns to help you slow down. If still having problem with speed after turning to final, fly left and right turns pulling a bit of G.

[agentdarnell]

Thanks for all the suggestions. I am going to run circuits from parked engines off and back. This will give me plenty of practice with the basic flight mechanics.

Edited March 3, 2015 by agentdarnell

[SFJackBauer]

Thanks for all the suggestions. I am going to run circuits from parents engines off and back. This will give me plenty of practice with the basic flight mechanics.

 

A little unorthodox way of training, but one thing I like to do, when learning a new plane, is to pretend I am landing in the sky. I mean, at some altitude (like 1k feet) slow down while maintaining altitude, drop gears and flaps, and keep slowing until you near a stall. This way you get a feel for how the aircraft would perform in a landing situation (how sluggish it is on roll, what is the rudder authority etc.)

[Buzzles]

Thanks for all the suggestions. I am going to run circuits from parents engines off and back. This will give me plenty of practice with the basic flight mechanics.

 

Watch this video by Sceptre:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126492

 

It really works well for every airplane.

[marchand73]

Speaking of landings guys, one thing I have noticed is that it's easy to blow tyres on the SU27 under braking. Why is this?

[DarkFire]

Speaking of landings guys, one thing I have noticed is that it's easy to blow tyres on the SU27 under braking. Why is this?

 

A couple of reasons. Due to the way in which the exhaust nozzles work on the -27 there's a huge increase in thrust at the 80% RPM point. Until you're very used to it happening this generally leads to overly fast taxi speeds.

 

The tyres on the -27 do not like lateral force, i.e. turning corners. Be very, very careful of your taxi speed (realistically should be under 20Kmh) and make sure that when turning you do so as smoothly as possible.

[Bourrinopathe]

Once you roughly get the tires resistance limits it's way more comfortable to taxi at your own pace (exceeding the recommendations). :thumbup:

 

The Su-27SK manual suggests a 50 km/h taxiing top speed and a turn speed below 20 km/h within a 15 m minimum turn radius.

The tires squealing sound is a perfect audio cue to spot the limit (get below).

 

4.1.4. Скорость руления должна обеспечивать безопасность движения самолёта и исключать возможность столкновения с препятствиями, но не превышать на прямой 50 км/ч, на развороте 20 км/ч при радиусе разворота не менее 15 м.

[marchand73]

I have no problem taxiing; what I meant was braking upon landing. In F15I you apply full brake no problem (although braking not as strong)but in the flanker when braking to slow down after landing in addition to parachute results in tyre blow. I am unsure what is the correct way to land this plane.

[Ironhand]

I have no problem taxiing; what I meant was braking upon landing. In F15I you apply full brake no problem (although braking not as strong)but in the flanker when braking to slow down after landing in addition to parachute results in tyre blow. I am unsure what is the correct way to land this plane.

Landing and stopping is fairly simple. If you are light, touch down gently with a landing speed of around 250-260 k/hr. Keep your nose pitched up (about 15 degrees) to aerobrake. Once your speed drops sufficiently that you can't hold your nose wheel off, let it drop to the ground. Start braking. When turning off the runway, make sure that your speed is between 10 and 20 k/hr.

 

If you're heavy, land at about 270-280 km/hr. (According to the Flanker manual, 280 is the max touchdown speed for the main gear, 270 k/hr for the nose wheel.) Touch down gently. Aerobrake, if you'd like. Otherwise pop the drogue chute.

 

I usually wait until I've slowed below 170 k/hr or so to touch my brakes, though the manual says you can do it below 265 km/hr. FWIW, I've only blown 1 tire so far while either landing or taxiing.

[Bourrinopathe]

You're probably using the brakes too soon after the touchdown.

Afaik, the sim does not model true progressive pressure on the brakes - they seem to apply all the breaking power almost instantly.

 

I'm not sure about the safe speed value, but I start using the wheel brakes around 100-150 km/h.

With a touchdown speed around 220-250 km/h max, you should be ok.

 

[EDIT: What Ironhand said ;) Your weight is obviously an important factor.]

Edited March 3, 2015 by Bourrinopathe

[marchand73]

Great tips, chaps. I will keep nose in air to aerobrake and stay off of the brake key.

 

Amazing videos you've put together there ironhand. They were tremendously helpful and well done.

Edited March 3, 2015 by marchand73

[agentdarnell]

Landed the f-15 once since I got the Hotas. My issue is either too fast or too slow. I either crash before or onto the landing strip. What is the best speed for each aircraft to land heavy or light?

[GGTharos]

Fly 21 units of AoA on a 3 degree glideslope. Flare when runway fills the HuD or you get into any kind of ground rush. Forget the speed.

 

Abort the moment you know it's not good, don't try to save it.

[agentdarnell]

I have been much more successful landing. I just needed to make sure I was not too slow where I stall or too fast and high an angle. I have been successful with all the fc3 aircraft lately.

[Ironhand]

I have been much more successful landing. I just needed to make sure I was not too slow where I stall or too fast and high an angle. I have been successful with all the fc3 aircraft lately.

:) Great news! It certainly makes "flying" a lot more fun when you can get home successfully after a flight, doesn't it?

[infernus1986]

On the subject of F-15c landings, does the chute still work

On landing i've repeatedly pressed P from touchdown till taxi speed and not once have I gotten it to deploy.