jjohnson241 Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Per Wags in the February News Letter, the next module to be released by DCS will be the L-39. Aside from the Authors, what is the material difference between the Hawk, the C-101EB/CC and the DCS L-39? I'm having a hard time figuring that out. :huh: Thanks. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 3rd Mar Div RVN '66-'67
Belgeode Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Avionics and flight characteristics mainly. Personally I like the L-39 the best, but then I know more about that jet than I do the other two. (The Hawk I know a variant of which is used by the US Navy to train fighter pilots) Sorry I cannot give more detailed info than that. I know next to nothing about the C-101. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] YouTube ~ Twitch
Johnny Dioxin Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Why should there be a material difference? They are all advanced jet trainers, with a secondary combat/combat training role. It's like saying what is the difference between an F-15, and Su-27 and a MiG-29. Yes, there are differences, but they basically do the same thing and it's just down to personal preference to which one to get. Rig: Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS; Ryzen 7800X3D ; 64GB DDR5 5600; RTX 4080; VPC T50 CM2 HOTAS; Pimax Crystal Light I'm learning to fly - but I ain't got wings With my head in VR - it's the next best thing!
ricktoberfest Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 I don't own any, but I believe the c-101 is currently modeled in more detail for avionics and such (from what I've read on the forums)
siipperi Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Dunno, all trainers seems silly to me, but some people do enjoy them.
Buzzles Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 There's not much between them in terms of the aircraft, although the Hawk while being slightly heavier has a fair bit more thrust and is the only one that can break mach 1 in a dive iirc. As modules, they're all ASM (I even think Tango is behind the systems model for both the VEAO Hawk and the Aviodev C-101 range), although ED's L-39 should be the one that brings multiseat capability to the DCS platform first. Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here!
jjohnson241 Posted March 10, 2015 Author Posted March 10, 2015 There's not much between them in terms of the aircraft, although the Hawk while being slightly heavier has a fair bit more thrust and is the only one that can break mach 1 in a dive iirc. As modules, they're all ASM (I even think Tango is behind the systems model for both the VEAO Hawk and the Aviodev C-101 range), although ED's L-39 should be the one that brings multiseat capability to the DCS platform first. Well I have the Hawk and C-101 and was arguing with myself as to whether or not I'll jump for the L-39. The Hawk and C-101, at this point at least, fly the same. The C-101 is slightly more interesting regarding avionics and will probably remain that way when the CC version is released. You make a good point regarding the multi-crew and DCS at l;east initially having an edge there. We'll see.. (continuing to argue with self) Thanks. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 3rd Mar Div RVN '66-'67
Zakatak Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 If I get a trainer, it probably won't be the L-39 simply because Russian avionics are not relevant to my interests as a pilot in training. They operate much differently and are entirely metric.
DarkFire Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 I have the Hawk and C-101 at present, and will probably get the L-39 on release for the dual-seat abilities that this will bring. So far I'm enjoying flying the Hawk and C-101. Of those two I'd say that the Hawk probably has superior performance but that the C-101 has better handling characteristics. Zakatak - nice avatar! Is that a Madcat? System Spec: Cooler Master Cosmos C700P Black Edition case. | AMD 5950X CPU | MSI RTX-3090 GPU | 32GB HyperX Predator PC4000 RAM | | TM Warthog stick & throttle | TrackIR 5 | Samsung 980 Pro NVMe 4 SSD 1TB (boot) | Samsung 870 QVO SSD 4TB (games) | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit. Personal wish list: DCS: Su-27SM & DCS: Avro Vulcan.
whitehot Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Dunno, all trainers seems silly to me, but some people do enjoy them. me too. I would add, ww2 planes in DCS too. but anyway.. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel i7 6700K @ 4.2, MSI M5 Z170A Gaming, NZXT X61 Kraken liquid cooler, PNY Nvidia GTX 1080 Founders Edition, 16GB Corsair Vengeance 3000 Mhz C15, samsung 840 evo SSD, CoolerMaster 1000W Gold rated PSU, NZXT Noctis 450 cabinet, Samsung S240SW 24' 1920x1200 LED panel, X-52 Pro Flight stick. W10 Pro x64 1809, NO antivirus EVER
Mobius_cz Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 As for trainers Hawk T1a vs C-101EB vs L-39C (should be released too) there will be difference in speed and manouverability but for "training of how to fly" every plane will be good enough so choose what do you like the most. On the other hand if you want use it as light combat aircraft. Hawk T1A vs C-101CC vs L39ZA.. This is whole new story. Probably the quickest will be Hawk, the best armed one will be Casa and L39ZA will be the last in performance. the first with multiseat as Wags said will be L39 but IMO the rest multiseat aicraft will soon folow after L-39 testing is complete. [sIGPIC]http://dcs-uvp.cz/images/userbars/uvp_bars_mic.gif[/sIGPIC]
outlawal2 Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Dunno, all trainers seems silly to me, but some people do enjoy them. So jumping into a $30 million airplane and cratering it into the ground repeatedly sounds much more realistic? For folks that are interested in realism, trainers make perfect sense so you can learn how to fly just like they do in real life... Once mastered, then you graduate to more sophisticated planes and then MAYBE you might have a chance of not crashing your brains out repeatedly.. I for one am a huge fan of the trainer philosophy and am looking forward to real flight training by VEAO systems.. (And maybe some other devs will follow suit) As far as which plane to buy..? I am buying them all once available in AFM... They will all fly differently and have their own character.. Kinda like asking what girl to take home.. Blonde, Brunette or Redhead.. They all look good to me... (But since I am married, all I can do is LOOK) LOL :thumbup: 1 "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO
Exorcet Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 So jumping into a $30 million airplane and cratering it into the ground repeatedly sounds much more realistic? :thumbup: Not only that, all these light aircraft fill a similar role to the A-10. So they're all about as useless as that plane. Given that all three share a similar purpose, they're going to be alike in a few ways. I guess it comes down to whether or not you want to try to get familiar with or master different airframes or just one of every type (fighter, attacker, etc). I think at the moment they're all SFM. When the AFM's come out, they should feel a bit more unique in the air. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
msalama Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Dunno, all trainers seems silly to me, but some people do enjoy them. These birds also make for good COIN / light attack aircraft, so they're more than suitable for putting those bearded dudes back into their place. Which means I'll probably buy the L-39 at least... The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
ricktoberfest Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Not only that, all these light aircraft fill a similar role to the A-10. So they're all about as useless as that plane. Trolling much? ;) Tank killer vs trainer/light attack
jjohnson241 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Posted March 11, 2015 Not only that, all these light aircraft fill a similar role to the A-10. So they're all about as useless as that plane. Given that all three share a similar purpose, they're going to be alike in a few ways. I guess it comes down to whether or not you want to try to get familiar with or master different airframes or just one of every type (fighter, attacker, etc). I think at the moment they're all SFM. When the AFM's come out, they should feel a bit more unique in the air. As "useless" as the A-10? Hard to believe you said that. If that's your take, I know a few thousand grunts that would love some one on one time with you to discuss that. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 3rd Mar Div RVN '66-'67
Backy 51 Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) :( Where is my T-37B ? The Hawk is like a sexy red sports car that you enjoy taking out for a Sunday afternoon drive. Edited March 11, 2015 by Backy 51 I don't need no stinkin' GPS! (except for PGMs :D) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
BitMaster Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 So jumping into a $30 million airplane and cratering it into the ground repeatedly sounds much more realistic? For folks that are interested in realism, trainers make perfect sense so you can learn how to fly just like they do in real life... Once mastered, then you graduate to more sophisticated planes and then MAYBE you might have a chance of not crashing your brains out repeatedly.. I for one am a huge fan of the trainer philosophy and am looking forward to real flight training by VEAO systems.. (And maybe some other devs will follow suit) As far as which plane to buy..? I am buying them all once available in AFM... They will all fly differently and have their own character.. Kinda like asking what girl to take home.. Blonde, Brunette or Redhead.. They all look good to me... (But since I am married, all I can do is LOOK) LOL :thumbup: +1 Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
Exorcet Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Trolling much? ;) Tank killer vs trainer/light attack There aren't many tanks in Afghanistan these days. As "useless" as the A-10? Hard to believe you said that. If that's your take, I know a few thousand grunts that would love some one on one time with you to discuss that. That's the kind of useless I'm talking about. All these aircraft can perform CAS/COIN. I'm saying that if the A-10 is good enough to be used in 100000 DCS missions, so are all these planes. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
ricktoberfest Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Hawk vs. C101EB/CC Vs. L-39? There aren't many tanks in Afghanistan these days. That's the kind of useless I'm talking about. All these aircraft can perform CAS/COIN. I'm saying that if the A-10 is good enough to be used in 100000 DCS missions, so are all these planes. There are tanks in Ukraine though COIN is not the same as CAS
Darkwolf Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 I think the subject was trainer comparison, and not "do i like them or not". What is silly is the debate that is starting here. Can we stop that here ? 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] PC simulator news site. Also....Join the largest DCS community on Facebook :pilotfly:
CASoldier2014 Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 I think the subject was trainer comparison, and not "do i like them or not". What is silly is the debate that is starting here. Can we stop that here ? +1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
outlawal2 Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 There aren't many tanks in Afghanistan these days. That's the kind of useless I'm talking about. All these aircraft can perform CAS/COIN. I'm saying that if the A-10 is good enough to be used in 100000 DCS missions, so are all these planes. So basically we should only have one type of plane because the roles are similar? Then I guess we should just shut down ED and all of the 3rd party devs since you don't want more than one type of plane... So we have A-10 let's not make ANY OTHER CAS plane. And we have (Oh crap THREE helicopters) WAY too many of those... And the MIG-21 is a FIGHTER plane so nope let's not make the F-18 or any of the MIGS either.. And lets cancel the F-14 since we have a figher plane already. Sometimes I truly wonder if folks actually READ what they type.. Quite possibly the most ridiculous thing posted on this forum... "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO
Exorcet Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 I'm going to officially submit an application to Guinness World Records for the post that has been misread the most number of times. Hawk/C-101/L-39 can CAS/COIN A-10 can CAS/COIN and so does CAS/COIN in DCS Therefore Hawk/C-101/L-39 can CAS/COIN in DCS. Nothing about not needing multiple examples of the same class of plane, saying that would be insane. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
Stratos Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 L-39 and C.101 will be interesting to fight against each other. I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai!
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