Stratos Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 The E should be able to carry the P Sidewinder and the M version as well, but AFAIK only two of them. I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai!
King_Hrothgar Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 It does have 2x 20mm cannons with around 1000 rounds of ammo though, that's a lot of boom-boom. In any case, I'd like to see the AIM-9J modeled too, since it was widely used by the F-5E in addition to the L and M versions. The AIM-9J is also a bit more balanced with the IR missiles the MiG-21Bis carries.
Stratos Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) It does have 2x 20mm cannons with around 1000 rounds of ammo though, that's a lot of boom-boom. In any case, I'd like to see the AIM-9J modeled too, since it was widely used by the F-5E in addition to the L and M versions. The AIM-9J is also a bit more balanced with the IR missiles the MiG-21Bis carries. I agree in that the more the merrier, but not sure we will see new weapons added to the arsenal. If we see new weapons apart from the Juliet, I will love to see NAPALM added, with improved proximity kills for it. Edited November 1, 2015 by Stratos Added a small request. I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai!
dartuil Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Only 2 AA mlissiles? Bad time for F-5E. :( i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals
OutOnTheOP Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Did you try Sabre and MiG? I think they are just in the middle between props and F-5 :pilotfly: Of course I have tried them, and generally enjoy them (and the MiG-21). Why would you get the impression I had not? I simply stated that I enjoy the simpler fighters for PvP play. ...of course, the *problem* is that many of the people designing missions for multiplayer servers feel inclined to have the biggest and baddest aircraft on them, and it's a lot *less* fun playing with MiG-21 against F-15, or F-86 against Su-27. Having a good match available makes it a lot more likely that you'll see servers with less of that frustration. Until F-5 comes out, MiG-21 is kind of an orphan module for MP. It's either fighting F-86 it totally outclasses, or F-15s that it cannot really match.
OutOnTheOP Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) It does have 2x 20mm cannons with around 1000 rounds of ammo though, that's a lot of boom-boom. In any case, I'd like to see the AIM-9J modeled too, since it was widely used by the F-5E in addition to the L and M versions. The AIM-9J is also a bit more balanced with the IR missiles the MiG-21Bis carries. Um... every source I've seen indicates F-5E carries 4 AAM, and has 280 rounds per gun. Technically, I believe it *should* be able to carry AMRAAM, as they use (as best I recall) the same rail launchers as Sidewinder... but it would have to launch them maddog, with no support from onboard radar. But then, when I say "technically possible", I mean that in the context that it should also be "technically possible" to load a JDAM on an F-5E. It'll fit; doesn't mean it'll work right. Edited November 1, 2015 by OutOnTheOP
Vampyre Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Um... every source I've seen indicates F-5E carries 4 AAM, and has 280 rounds per gun. Technically, I believe it *should* be able to carry AMRAAM, as they use (as best I recall) the same rail launchers as Sidewinder... but it would have to launch them maddog, with no support from onboard radar. But then, when I say "technically possible", I mean that in the context that it should also be "technically possible" to load a JDAM on an F-5E. It'll fit; doesn't mean it'll work right. The F-5E's LAU-100/LAU-101 are not able to carry or fire the AIM-120. Not all sidewinder rails are created equal. The F-16's uses the LAU-129 and Hornets/Super Hornets use LAU-127 which are fully capable of using the AIM-120. Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!"
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Only 2 AA mlissiles? Bad time for F-5E. :( But those can be two AIM-9Ms, which are all aspect. And they aren't basically black-market firecrackers like the R-60s. And the guns are way better. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Custard Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Um... every source I've seen indicates F-5E carries 4 AAM, and has 280 rounds per gun. Care to link to a reputable source? Wikipedia conflates modern F-5 variants with the E and thus gets it wildly wrong. Every source and manual I've ever read on the '70s F-5E indicates 2 wingtip sidewinders. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Stratos Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 We can only speculate about loadouts until Belsimtek specifies the exact variant of the F-5E represented. I really doubt about the BVR capability, that capability is not representative of the F-5E, so better expect IR missiles only and unguided A-G loadouts. I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai!
MBot Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 I agree in that the more the merrier, but not sure we will see new weapons added to the arsenal. If we see new weapons apart from the Juliet, I will love to see NAPALM added, with improved proximity kills for it. Forntunately we already have the AIM-9P, which is closely related to the Juliet and was in service with many F-5E users (Iran, Switzerland). But let's hope we get AIM-9J as well.
dartuil Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Im seeing a version with 4 pylons under wings and one centerline pylon. i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals
Custard Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) Guys the version BST are making is already in game, likely with all the weapons it will get. It wasn't just the model that changed in 1.5. The loadout options also changed to a more realistic selection that includes a wider variety of dumb munitions, GBU-12s and the ability to carry only 2 AIM-9s. Edited November 2, 2015 by Custard [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Bewsher Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Agree with Custard on the built in F-5E. Theyll use the new model. Looked into the 4 winder config and all i could find is some different air to air missile to the Aim-9 that DCS World hasnt modelled. If anybody knows just for curiosity what make they are let us know. But all the payload itll get is whats on offer now. No doubt a A-10C will have to lase for the GBU-12 just like the upcoming M-2000.
MBot Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Guys the version BST are making is already in game, likely with all the weapons it will get. It wasn't just the model that changed in 1.5. The loadout options also changed to a more realistic selection that includes a wider variety of dumb munitions, GBU-12s and the ability to carry only 2 AIM-9s. I assume there will again be significant changes. The new model looks nice, but it is nowhere near the quality of a flyable aircraft. So different loadouts are on the table I think.
pepin1234 Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) Anyone here have tested to do a dogfight with the Mig-21 against the F-5 in the 1.5 beta. The F-5 is unbeatable now. I used to practice dogfight with the Mig-21 and the F-5 at the past and was so so balanced, now the F-5 is extrem Edited November 2, 2015 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Exorcet Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) Anyone here have tested to do a dogfight with the Mig-21 against the F-5 in the 1.5 beta. The F-5 is unbeatable now. I used to practice dogfight with the Mig-21 and the F-5 at the past and was so so balanced, now the F-5 is extrem I've not fought it with the MiG, but have with F-15. It had surprising climb capability. I think it's related to AI tweaks and the ability for the AI to control the plane at ridiculously low speed. That said, I think in the horizontal, the F-5 should be superior, at least at relatively low speed. MiG-21 vs F-5 should be like F-4 vs MiG-21. EDIT Also, I think difficulty settings have changed. The Excellent level MiG-15 seems tougher to beat than before, while the lower difficulty levels now show much larger differences in capability than before. Set to average, the aircraft never come near their limits. ED may have boosted the difficulty of Excellent AI and lowered the performance of Average/Good. Edited November 2, 2015 by Exorcet Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Guys the version BST are making is already in game, likely with all the weapons it will get. It wasn't just the model that changed in 1.5. The loadout options also changed to a more realistic selection that includes a wider variety of dumb munitions, GBU-12s and the ability to carry only 2 AIM-9s. Any source on that? I follow the logic, but I take issue with it. We're getting a Mirage 2000, as you no doubt know. You also probably know that it's IN game, currently. However, we're not getting the Mirage 2000-5, which is represented. We're getting the 2000C RDI. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
pepin1234 Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 The widely more commercialized is the F-5E. This aircraft is very limited with the payload capacity. Don't expect a super F-5 version. The F-5E is the most probable version to release [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
dartuil Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 The version in DCS now have two cannon , 4 pylons under wing but not for AAM missiles , 2 pylons wintip for AAM and 1 centerline. If we get that version it is kinda ok for me but when you shoot your AIM-9 do it carefully, only 2. i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals
Custard Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) Any source on that? I follow the logic, but I take issue with it. We're getting a Mirage 2000, as you no doubt know. You also probably know that it's IN game, currently. However, we're not getting the Mirage 2000-5, which is represented. We're getting the 2000C RDI. If the current F-5E in DCS had not just been updated with a new model and new loadout options it would be a foolish conclusion to draw yes, but that is not the case. If there was already an ugly LOMAC era M2000C in the game and it's model and weapon options had just been updated in the 1.5 beta patch then I would be saying the same for that aircraft, but there isn't and it hasn't so I'm not. My logic is that ED have completely revamped an aircraft's loadout options just a few months (quarters?) before the release of a DCS level module of that very airframe. It is not unreasonable to assume that this is no coincidence and that the new weapon options (which include new models no less!) are as a direct result of BST's research for DCS:F-5E. Edited November 2, 2015 by Custard [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
FlankerKiller Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 I kinda hope your wrong on this one. There really doesn't seem to be a standard version of the F-5E, as all customers had different requirements. I really wish that the Saudi F-5E would be modeled. They were very capable and would fit in well in the gulf theater maps that are coming.
Stratos Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 I really wish that the Saudi F-5E would be modeled. They were very capable and would fit in well in the gulf theater maps that are coming. What makes those RSAF F-5 so capable? I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai!
pepin1234 Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 I kinda hope your wrong on this one. There really doesn't seem to be a standard version of the F-5E, as all customers had different requirements. I really wish that the Saudi F-5E would be modeled. They were very capable and would fit in well in the gulf theater maps that are coming. Yes please say us. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Avimimus Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 What makes those RSAF F-5 so capable? Radar guided missiles?
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