DCS: F-5E!

[Kev2go]

Will the HUD have a CCIP reticle similar to the A-10/F-16/SU-27 etc, or will we have to use intuition, like in the WW2 figthers and MiG-15?

 

It does have a manually depressible mode for air to ground, to compliment its Radar Ranging functions for Air to air guns/ Missiles

 

hell even the sabre had the radar ranging gunsight with dual purpose. lead computing for air targets as well as a bombing mode to help you release more accurately. Its wasn't perfect, but still better than using. "intuition" + luck with Basic gyro sights found in the ww2 fighters and jets like the mig15.

 

I believe the gunsight used f5e had a much more reliable and improved radar ranging unit compared to the sabre.

 

after all this would be comparing early 50s tech to early 70s tech.

 

http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/en/aircraft/usa/northrop/f-5tigerii/to-1f-5e-34-1-1-f-5e-f-tiger-ii-aircrew-nonnuclear-weapons-delivery-manual-to-1f-5e.html

 

pg61 makes mention of the gunsight havein air to ground mode

 

view pages 61-64. to see the description + visual overview of the gunsight & its modes/ functions

Edited December 4, 2015 by Kev2go

[dartuil]

At those pages can i see HUD in AA mode?

[Custard]

At those pages can i see HUD in AA mode?

The F-5E does not have a HUD afaik, you can see details of the gunsight on page 60 & 63.

 

edit:

I just realised I basically repeated what kev said, oh well :P

Edited December 5, 2015 by Custard

[dartuil]

Thanks buddies.

Yeah its like mig21 but kinda more advanced, good.

[S-GERAT]

Thanks buddies.

Yeah its like mig21 but kinda more advanced, good.

 

The worst of the F5 are their engines.. very underpowered compared with the 21..

[Kev2go]

The worst of the F5 are their engines.. very underpowered compared with the 21..

 

+ it is only capable of arming x2 heatseakers. at least the version we are getting ingame.

 

It somewhat makes up for its lack of engine power by being a very agile dogfighter. It looses less energy than a mig21 in a turn, and in addition it was noted for being able to turn better than the mig21bis, based on tests, when the soviets got thier hands on a South Vietnamese F5E.

Edited December 5, 2015 by Kev2go

[Cunctator]

Some of the most successful fighters of that era, like the Mirage III series and its derivatives carried just two heatseakers + guns. I doubt that will be a real disadvantage, except when fighting heavily outnumbered.

[Kev2go]

Some of the most successful fighters of that era, like the Mirage III series and its derivatives carried just two heatseakers + guns. I doubt that will be a real disadvantage, except when fighting heavily outnumbered.

 

Yes but mig21 can carry up to 8 ir. Many American plane such as the f4 also has up to x8 missle carry capacity.x4 IR. X4 sa

 

Hell even last series of gunfighter such as the f100 & f8 crusader had x4 heats seakers. So there are plenty of successful planes that had a larger missle capacity.

[Custard]

Yes but mig21 can carry up to 8 ir.

Well only due to a bug, it flies like a brick if you put that much ordnance under the wings anyway. You'd never get behind an F-5 to fire an R-60 with that many loaded.

[Kev2go]

Well only due to a bug, it flies like a brick if you put that much ordnance under the wings anyway. You'd never get behind an F-5 to fire an R-60 with that many loaded.

 

what bug?

 

& orly?

wanna bet?

 

I generally fly with x4 r60m's and x2 Semi actives R3rs, and it still handles pretty well. x8 iR seekers its not bad either.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Kev2go

[Custard]

what bug?

 

& orly?

wanna bet?

 

I generally fly with x4 r60m's and x2 Semi actives R3rs, and it still handles pretty well. x8 iR seekers its not bad either.

Well you're not meant to be able to put 8 IR missiles on the '21, it's a bug.

 

And I assure you, the MiG-21 flies like a brick out-house with a full load of missiles. Try getting on the tail of an expert AI F-5E with 8 R-60s and then try again with no air to air missiles at all. You will notice the huge difference in how the MiG handles.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Custard

[pepin1234]

Well you're not meant to be able to put 8 IR missiles on the '21, it's a bug.

 

And I assure you, the MiG-21 flies like a brick out-house with a full load of missiles. Try getting on the tail of an expert AI F-5E with 8 R-60s and then try again with no air to air missiles at all. You will notice the huge difference in how the MiG handles.

 

Of course is crazy talk about 8 R-60 for a normal payload for Mig-21. The best Payload for the 21 in combat action is single R-60 in external station and a mix of R-3S and R-13M internal station. that's it

[Kev2go]

Well you're not meant to be able to put 8 IR missiles on the '21, it's a bug.

 

And I assure you, the MiG-21 flies like a brick out-house with a full load of missiles. Try getting on the tail of an expert AI F-5E with 8 R-60s and then try again with no air to air missiles at all. You will notice the huge difference in how the MiG handles.

 

AI aren't good examples they use sfm and and fly the aircraft absolutely perfectly aka cheat. Comparing to the player controlled aircraft are much fairer comparisons. I actually find majority of players are easier to fight than ai

Edited December 11, 2015 by Kev2go

[Kev2go]

Of course is crazy talk about 8 R-60 for a normal payload for Mig-21. The best Payload for the 21 in combat action is single R-60 in external station and a mix of R-3S and R-13M internal station. that's it

 

Eeeww why would you take more r13ms over the r60m. It's significant improvement over it. It's got much more manuverability and can engage from a higher degree of angles. Instead of being limited directly rear aspect

[Cletust8]

Because the r60 is great for tickling fighters or scratching their itches... the r13 is better at actually killing them.

[Kev2go]

Because the r60 is great for tickling fighters or scratching their itches... the r13 is better at actually killing them.

 

Maybe for bombers this is true that you may need multiple hits to take em down. However I find the a direct hit from an r60 is still enough to bring a fighter down in just about all cases. If it blows up close but no directly hit occasionally you may need a second. R60m is still the best missile available and thus the most useful especially when tackling equivalent or better fighters than yourself.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Kev2go

[Cletust8]

Maybe for bombers this is true. I find the a direct hit from an r60 is still enough to bring a fighter down in just about all cases. If it blows up close but no directly hit occasionally you may need a second. R60m is still the best missile available and thus the most useful especially when tackling equivalent or better fighters than yourself.

 

Seeker and maneuverability wise you are absolutely right, but I've had too many aircraft limp away after just being "winged" by an r60.

[Custard]

AI aren't good examples they use sfm and and fly the aircraft absolutely perfectly aka cheat. Comparing to the player controlled aircraft are much fairer comparisons. I actually find majority of players are easier to fight than ai

You're completely missing the point, it doesn't matter the realism of the AI flight model. It's just a good way to compare your own maneuverability with and without external stores to a fixed reference point. Fighting an AI fighter makes it easy to see the maneuverability advantages of a clean aircraft.

 

I can't believe I had to explain that to be honest.

[King_Hrothgar]

Against the brain dead AI (despite cheater FM's), it's easy enough to maneuver into a favorable position even when loaded like a dump truck. But against a human, that won't work. That said, my standard loadout for the MiG-21Bis is 2x R-3R + 2x R-13M1 or 4x R-60M. In a fight against the F-5E and many other opponents, having a pair of all aspect missiles is a great help. As for the R-13's, I like the bigger warhead and longer range. They also don't cripple handling like 4x R-60's do. Obviously I could carry single R-60 pylons instead, but I find them pretty weak overall. It almost always takes 2 hits to down anything, so the more restrictive but harder hitting R-13's are nicer at times.

[SkateZilla]

2 Heaters..... Only..

 

Which is why they sent 6 MiG-28s to take on 2 F-14As :-p

[Kev2go]

You're completely missing the point, it doesn't matter the realism of the AI flight model. It's just a good way to compare your own maneuverability with and without external stores to a fixed reference point. Fighting an AI fighter makes it easy to see the maneuverability advantages of a clean aircraft.

 

I can't believe I had to explain that to be honest.

 

And I can't believe I had to explain myself either....

[Havner]

1.5.2, they've added F-5E to the CoreMods

[Kev2go]

1.5.2, they've added F-5E to the CoreMods

 

yes the F5E3 is available as an Ai now, but no noticable armament or performance differences over the regular Ai F5E.

 

 

Hoping on some more updates from BST on thier page. although we have an idea, of what its its getting. (RWR with alq 159 radar instead of the 153) there is no official confirmation of the avionics on thier page.

 

Also wondering how far along the F5E project is since they "didn't just start the project". according to one of the developer's posts here.

Edited December 12, 2015 by Kev2go

[SkateZilla]

yes the F5E3 is available as an Ai now, but no noticable armament or performance differences over the regular Ai F5E.

 

 

Hoping on some more updates from BST on thier page. although we have an idea, of what its its getting. (RWR with alq 159 radar instead of the 153) there is no official confirmation of the avionics on thier page.

 

Also wondering how far along the F5E project is since they "didn't just start the project". according to one of the developer's posts here.

 

There's some differences

[Kev2go]

There's some differences

 

Care to elaborate?

Edited December 13, 2015 by Kev2go