So many f15's! Anybody got tips?

[domini99]

I'm always the lonely sole fighting multiple f15's.

It is happening again, right now.

I'm the only Russian jet in the server, fighting 3 F15's.

I've already shot 1 down, but another f15 killed me.

 

 

Does anybody have some tips in what to do when encountering multiple f15's?

[Pikey]

Did you mean how to fight multiple F-15's or where to find a more equal server?

 

For the former, there are no silver bullets, for the latter you could ask them to change sides. It sometimes happens one side gets lumpy when you arent watching. It's not often though and not hard to switch around.

 

There's weeks worth of tips on the forum for tactics. if you need help searching or pointed to some good threads let us know, it might be terminology.

[domini99]

Did you mean how to fight multiple F-15's or where to find a more equal server?

 

For the former, there are no silver bullets, for the latter you could ask them to change sides. It sometimes happens one side gets lumpy when you arent watching. It's not often though and not hard to switch around.

 

There's weeks worth of tips on the forum for tactics. if you need help searching or pointed to some good threads let us know, it might be terminology.

 

How to fight multiple f15's, in the 3 months I've had this aircraft I've always been the lonely su27 pilot while there were 5 or even more f15's, it's just not fun. I can never win that.

[Schmidtfire]

Fly stealthy if you are using the Su-27.

IRST ON. Use only R27ET and R-73 IR missiles.

Go low. You should almost be able to smell the grass. Use hills and mountains!

Make sure that you watch the fuel gauge regulary. Use only afterburner to rapidly close the distance when you have a good lock on the enemy.

Radar OFF. ECM OFF. Make sure that you're not showing up on their RWR!

If your RWR pick up signals from the F-15's, try to break the signals by manouvering, hiding or flying lower. Stealth and suprise is the key here.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Schmidtfire

[domini99]

Fly stealthy if you are using the Su-27.

IRST ON. Use only R27ET and R-73 IR missiles.

Go low. You should almost be able to smell the grass. Use hills and mountains!

Make sure that you watch the fuel gauge regulary. Use only afterburner to rapidly close the distance when you have a good lock on the enemy.

Radar OFF. ECM OFF. Make sure that you're not showing up on their RWR!

If your RWR pick up signals from the F-15's, try to break the signals by manouvering, hiding or flying lower. Stealth and suprise is the key here.

 

Okay thanks, will try

[Grigs]

1 vs 3 is a dead end in such case. If you are a kamikaze then you can try to approach the situation as described by Schmidt. But you chances to hit one of them, if they are grouped and tracking you, is close to 0.

[Ragnarok]

How to fight multiple f15's, in the 3 months I've had this aircraft I've always been the lonely su27 pilot while there were 5 or even more f15's, it's just not fun. I can never win that.

it is realistic simulated situations.

[dartuil]

Schmidtfire is right flying low and using mountains is your unique way to survive.

F-15 is one of the best fighter in the world you cant just fly and think you will shot one. The trimming is hard (not really) so you have to get used to do it.

[ShuRugal]

the only way a single SU-27 can hope to survive an engagement with 3 F-15s is if the F-15s are not working together AND are relatively unskilled.

 

I have, on very rare occasions, defeated groups of multiple Eagles by myself, but in every situation where that happened, I went into the engagement with every possible advantage: Altitude (14km), speed (mach 2+), position (approached from side or rear), SA (i knew where they were, they failed to respond to me as a threat until i launched) and unit cohesion (or rather, lack thereof: they did not communicate with each other and did not even appear to know they were flying the same airspace)

 

That said, this is not the norm for me. What usually happens when i encounter multi-ship elements of F-15s when flying solo is that I die without a kill. The aircraft are damn close to equal, with a few key advantages going to the Eagle in the weapons department. a 2V1 or 3V1 should always, always go with the numbers.

[gavagai]

Did you mean how to fight multiple F-15's or where to find a more equal server?

 

For the former, there are no silver bullets, for the latter you could ask them to change sides. It sometimes happens one side gets lumpy when you arent watching. It's not often though and not hard to switch around.

 

But the most popular server has F-15s on both sides.

[domini99]

But the most popular server has F-15s on both sides.

That's true, but most servers I've been on only have SU-27 on the red team, and for some reason Eagle pilots will always choose the ones on the blue team, even if that means there will be no enemies to fight.

it is realistic simulated situations.

It might be realistic, but not fun at all.

A simulation game also needs to be fun, otherwise it has no reason to be played.

the only way a single SU-27 can hope to survive an engagement with 3 F-15s is if the F-15s are not working together AND are relatively unskilled.

 

I have, on very rare occasions, defeated groups of multiple Eagles by myself, but in every situation where that happened, I went into the engagement with every possible advantage: Altitude (14km), speed (mach 2+), position (approached from side or rear), SA (i knew where they were, they failed to respond to me as a threat until i launched) and unit cohesion (or rather, lack thereof: they did not communicate with each other and did not even appear to know they were flying the same airspace)

 

That said, this is not the norm for me. What usually happens when i encounter multi-ship elements of F-15s when flying solo is that I die without a kill. The aircraft are damn close to equal, with a few key advantages going to the Eagle in the weapons department. a 2V1 or 3V1 should always, always go with the numbers.

Hhmm so my chances are just really low? *sigh* looks like I'm gonna have to do more training on fighting multiple enemies

[MegOhm_SD]

You need to hook up with someone...develops tactics with a wingman

[=4c=Nikola]

Well, it's 3v1. What do you expect? If they know what they're doing, you don't stand chance.

 

But, it's important to set the mission objectives. You cannot kill all of them, but you can kill one or two, and pull back; or you can defend the airspace you occupy; you can use help of your air defense.

 

The problem with online servers is that they use team deathmatch set of rules, where you're supposed to engage and kill as much as you can and respawn as soon as you die. There's no real objective.

[Exorcet]

You can't go head to head. Try to lure them into your air defenses. Also try to beat them with fuel instead of weapons. Pull them to your side of the map and force them to chase you while denying them good shots on you. Eventually, they will have to RTB, possibly before you do.

 

If you're willing to take a couple of deaths, you can force them to go out of sync by killing them one by one. Hopefully they will instantly respawn and takeoff, meaning they will all have different fuel and weapons loads and not be able to work together as well or for as long.

[DarkFire]

You can't go head to head. Try to lure them into your air defenses. Also try to beat them with fuel instead of weapons. Pull them to your side of the map and force them to chase you while denying them good shots on you. Eventually, they will have to RTB, possibly before you do.

 

If you're willing to take a couple of deaths, you can force them to go out of sync by killing them one by one. Hopefully they will instantly respawn and takeoff, meaning they will all have different fuel and weapons loads and not be able to work together as well or for as long.

 

This is a very good tip. Don't forget that the Flanker has a HUGE internal fuel capacity. That and the fact that many Eagle pilots seem to think that the throttle has only 3 settings: idle, military power & zone 5 AB ;)

 

In a 3 v 1 scenario confronting them directly is suicide, even more so if they're organised and communicating. The superior situational awareness provided by the Eagle stacks the odds further against you.

 

So, to improve the odds for yourself, make use of what resources you do have. The terrain, friendly SAM coverage, your internal fuel capacity, even the large number of missiles the Flanker carries.

 

I agree with =4c=Nikola that it's a shame that most MP servers are effectively team deathmatch rather than mission based, but even so, use what you have to improve your chances of victory and improve your situational awareness.

 

When it does come to combat, remember that below ~7000m the Flanker has significantly better nose authority than the Eagle. This, coupled with your helmet mounted sight, EOS and R-27ET / R-73 capabilities makes the Flanker very dangerous indeed in a WVR engagement.

[domini99]

I will put everything to practise I've heard here. Thanks all!

 

Unfortunately my wingman is on vacation right now. Usually I would fly together with him, but right now that is not possible

[WildBillKelsoe]

Use cloud cover to escape from short range engagements. If the enemy cant see you, they cant shoot you.

Ask the foes nicely to balance out the teams, I'm sure you'll at least get one extra wingman.

[domini99]

I've had a good run today.

Was lonely flying through mountains and shot down 2 enemy f15's

 

Flying low works and using terrain as cover works really good!!

[Stuge]

Stealth your way into the middle of the group, then rip them up with your fierce dogfighting skills. The ensuing chaos may give you just enough time to even kill 3 of them in a furball. Remember they may avoid firing aim120s to avoid teamkilling their wingmen.

 

Good stealth advice was already given, in addition I recommend heavy use of vertical scan as the main sensor.

 

If the terrain has some hills, this can actually be done. But if it's flat terrain, you really need a lot of luck to survive a 1v3 confrontation..