G3 Posted June 10, 2006 Posted June 10, 2006 anxiously waiting for my copy of FC to arrive and looking forward to perhaps getting involved with some online play once i get a little more polished. i have been reading up on the various changes and am especially interested in learning where things are at in reguard to IFF (indentify friend or foe) in the f-15, my current bird of choice. from the look of it the servers are patched running 1.12a, and i have seen some very generous offers from some of the more experienced guys to help get those of us who are less familiar up to speed online. sorry if it has been all said before, i have read various threads and tried to make sense of it all, hopefully with your help in a few replies we can summerise (?) where we are at in relation to identifying other aircraft as to not annoy others by shooting friendly's etc. i understand that there was/is ? a bug with the f-15 radar where it looses contact approx 20nm out, causing some headaches. maybe some thoughts from other eagle pilots as to how to best deal with this situation if it is stil an issue. thankyou
Guest IguanaKing Posted June 10, 2006 Posted June 10, 2006 Can't comment much on changes in IFF for the F-15C in LOMAC, since I have rarely flown it in either version. But, I CAN tell you that the Mode A code on its IFF transponder, "0083", is completely bogus. :smilewink: An "8" is not possible in any position on the reply pulse train. The highest number that could be represented by having the Mode A C4,C2,and C1 (or any of the 4 Mode A pulse groups, for that matter)pulses active would be 7. :D
S77th-GOYA Posted June 10, 2006 Posted June 10, 2006 The only way an F-15 can IFF is to see a radar return. ED has continued to find more important things to patch since 1.00. As I have not seen anything to indicate that BS will include implementation of IFF for the Eagle, I suggest you get used to it. Seeing it on radar is the only way. As far as dropped locks, it doesn't happen all the time, but if it does, just reacquire. Or, simply wait until he's a little closer before you lock him up in the first place. Especially if you're in STT mode, you'll want your eyes open to other possible threats as long as possible anyway. Lock him early and you're blind to everything else.
STRIKER Posted June 10, 2006 Posted June 10, 2006 I see we have a bit of insider info.;) As a former avionics specialist and now a current flyer I can say I continue to be extremely aggrivated that ED doesnt ID any of the friendlies I might lock up with a big X overlay on the id box if it is friendly just like the 15 has in real life. Especially with alot of noobs playing they cant tell if its friendly or not and just fire anyways while the rest of us have to get to a ridiculously close distance to finally tell if we can fire or not....just plain stupid especially since IFF up and running in mode A/B/C. In my opinion IFF doesnt even exist in this game since it fails to accompish what I just said above. All I can do is just hope and pray ED will incorporate this necessity while in combat. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Guest IguanaKing Posted June 10, 2006 Posted June 10, 2006 An IFF transponder simply replies to an interrogation by a radar, and that radar must interrogate it properly. Its a seperate band, carried on another microwave frequency, known as "squitter". DME guys recognize this term, and its the same term for Mode B, S, and other datalink freqs. Unfortunately, I would suggest that every Eagle flier just get used to it. I'm sorry to again be harshly critical of ED, but your COMs stink, your NAVs stink, and following proper SSR operations stinks. Using unclassified versions of tactical datalinks, SSR, and IFF should rank among your priorities to grab Western audiences. :smilewink:
cool_t Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 IFF Hi, Well get use to the saying "Its not the plane but the pilot who flys it" I mean The latest patches have realy modified the Eagle in a downgradeable manner. :megalol: Engin RPM 103% Should exceed 110% Active Infra red Jammer is non exsistant. Landing flaps are gone. ECM from friendly aircraft show as foe. The radar is far from acurate. AM120s' kill range as indicated on HUD and Radar has been downgraded. No data link between AWACS and players. No map mode in mfd. I could go on. :badmood: Its not that I am mad at the programers it just says alot when Su's and Migs' still have a small chance of victory against cool t in an eagle. Think about it guys Su's and migs have Infra Red missles with a range of 70nm and Eagles do not get launch warnings from them. I love this game and dont worry you will get waxed by me. :pilotfly: cool t
Guest IguanaKing Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 Active Infra red Jammer is non exsistant. Just curious, has the 144 been made fighter-friendly? ECM from friendly aircraft show as foe. Amen to that bro. Just for the hell of it, I'll post a pic on Monday which shows a complete SSR reply pulse train...and I'll label the components (It'll be an actual scope photo). It will show basic Mode A and C pulse trains only...sorry guys, can't even BEGIN to see IFF or mode S squitter, let alone post them on the internet. I know they exist, and that's all I wanna know. ;)
STRIKER Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 Im with you guys on this too....if ED only knew the true capability of the one fighter in this world that in the last 30 years has yet to get shot down by an enemy aircraft. I think the fact that this is a game keeps my sanity in check when it comes to the massive amounts of critical flaws with the eagle. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
diveplane Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 goya...Lock him early and you're blind to everything else. thats where tws mode come in handy, though its not 100% full proof it does help to see on muliple threats...that are around https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
Cobra360 Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 Hi, Landing flaps are gone. cool t Landing flaps are there and are now modeled correctly. The Eagle only has one flap position IRL. It's the Su-27's flaperons that are screwed up.:book:
G3 Posted June 11, 2006 Author Posted June 11, 2006 thanks all for the info, in game and RL.:thumbup: unlike you folks fluent in the lingo, i sometimes stuggle a bit with all the tech talk, but i am getting there.:doh: from some of what i am reading here it seems the eagle maybe getting worse? fingers crossed after BS ED might be kind enough to give the f-15 a bit of loving. much appreciated as always...
Allochtoon Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 How does a friendly f15 know he locked up a friendly? Do they exchange predetermined keys over an encrypted channel? I love cryptography so inform me :) .
Guest IguanaKing Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 The F-15s IFF antennas, around the perimeter of the radar plate, send out an interrogation signal. The friendly's IFF transponder receives this interrogation through an L-band antenna. That transponder then looks at this interrogation and asks "is this a friendly interrogator"? If the answer is "yes", the transponder transmits its squitter back to the interrogator, and the interrogator, in turn, changes symbology to designate that contact as friendly to the pilot of the interrogator aircraft. :D
S77th-GOYA Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 goya...Lock him early and you're blind to everything else. thats where tws mode come in handy, though its not 100% full proof it does help to see on muliple threats...that are around Yep, that's why I mentioned STT mode specifically. The fact that ED "fixed" TWS mode doesn't make it unusable, but more difficult than it should be.
Force_Feedback Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 Maybe one day things will work One day crazy mutant abominations will roam the earth. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Guest Cali Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 One day crazy mutant abominations will roam the earth. And the cooktomungas will roam the earth again...
Shaman Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 Engin RPM 103% Should exceed 110% its a feature, not a bug. The instrument was actually fixed - search forums for answer. Active Infra red Jammer is non exsistant. HUH? What? WTF? Landing flaps are gone. AFIK flaps set to landing position automatically. ECM from friendly aircraft show as foe. EW is simply modelled, no IFF on other frequencies. That's correct. Assumed foe until burnthrough. You can always call AWACS crew to declare friendly or hostile. The radar is far from acurate. Like every radar in LockOn. To simulate real radar alone we would need a super computer. AM120s' kill range as indicated on HUD and Radar has been downgraded. The missile is called AIM-120 No data link between AWACS and players. Because F-15Cs weren't upgraded with datalink. And the one in lockon resembles this version - this had been said thousands of times I could go on. Please have mercy.. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
cool_t Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 Jammers IR and ECM, IFF, ect. Look here guys, tell me that our fighter force just has flares against IR missles. :thumbup: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/ircm.htm Cool t
GGTharos Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 Okay. The fighter force just has flares against IR missiles. IRCM is only implemented on large aircraft. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Guest IguanaKing Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 Yup...what GG said. IR jammers are a big bulb sticking out in the wind at the moment, and this REALLY hurts a fighter aircraft's performance. Maybe some day they'll be fighter-friendly and still have enough FOV to be worth installing in the first place. ;)
bflagg Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 guys... why get your hopes up?... nothing is going to change. ED couldn't give a crap about western consumer instrests. They said it themselves. their core market is CIS. We are nothing more than an afterthought.... Thanks, Brett
GGTharos Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 Yep. That's why we're getting the AIM-120C ... yep. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
S77th-GOYA Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 Yep. That's why we're getting the AIM-120C ... yep. Try again, GG.
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