ametzeala Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Hey,I will soon pre- order the Mirage 2000 and I was having a look at its armament on this forum.So from my understanding in terms of air to air weapons it can carry the Magic 2 short range infra-red missile (5 km range) and the R530 short to medium - range semi-active radar guided missile (25 km).Now,compared to Russian or American missiles in game these missiles have a pretty short range.How do you think the Mirage-2000 will compare to the f15 or the su27/mig29 on servers? :pilotfly:
razo+r Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I think you have to fly it like the mig 21, but we will see how it will be compared to the F-15/SU-27 or mig 29
sedenion Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) the Magic 2 short range infra-red missile (5 km range) and the R530 short to medium - range semi-active radar guided missile (25 km). Matra R550 Magic II: Weight: 89 kg Length: 2,75 m Diameter: 0,157 m Wingspan: 0,66 m Speed: Mach 2,7 Range: 500 m to 15 km I'm not sure, but i think RAZBAM modeled the D variant of the Super 530 (i hop he will confirm) Matra Super 530D: Weight: 250 kg Length: 3,8 m Diameter: 0,2 m Wingspan: 0,6 m Speed: Mach 4,5 Range: 40 km 25 km is the range of the early Super 530F variant => https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matra_R530#Tableau_r.C3.A9capitulatif Small quote about the Super 530D:La vitesse maximale du missile est proche de Mach 5 et son rayon d'action est de 40 km. Combiné au radar Cyrano IV, il permet capable d’aller chercher une cible hostile volant à Mach 3 à 60 000 pieds avec un dénivelé de plus 10 000 par rapport à l'intercepteur. Translation: The maximum speed of the missile is near Mach 5 and its range is about 40km. Combined with Cyrano IV radar, it can reach an hostil target flying at Mach 3 at 60 000 feet with an height difference of more 10 000 feet from the interceptor. The range (40km) is a bit short, but it's not exactly what we can name a weak missile... Edited October 18, 2015 by sedenion
Zeus67 Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Hey,I will soon pre- order the Mirage 2000 and I was having a look at its armament on this forum.So from my understanding in terms of air to air weapons it can carry the Magic 2 short range infra-red missile (5 km range) and the R530 short to medium - range semi-active radar guided missile (25 km).Now,compared to Russian or American missiles in game these missiles have a pretty short range.How do you think the Mirage-2000 will compare to the f15 or the su27/mig29 on servers? :pilotfly: The FM for the missiles in-game is wrong, giving them the very short range you speak about. It is old code that comes from FC. That is being fixed and by Open Beta they will have their true values as indicated by Sedenion. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
schroedi Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 The RDM variant of the 2000C used the Super 530F. They are making the RDI variant which introduced the Super 530D, so I assume the DCS Mirage 2000C will have the D, maybe the F, too.
Zaz0 Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 530D as stated at PRE-PURCHASE announce: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=147207 Realistic HUD and weapons systems including: Air-to-Air and Air-to-Ground cannon Magic II and Super 530D Air-to-Air missiles Matra rocket pods
ametzeala Posted October 18, 2015 Author Posted October 18, 2015 Well 50 km is far more acceptable. At 25 km a russian pilot would just have to push 10 km until he is in r-73 range.A American pilot even less so until he is in sidewinder range.
sedenion Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Well 50 km is far more acceptable. At 25 km a russian pilot would just have to push 10 km until he is in r-73 range.A American pilot even less so until he is in sidewinder range. Missiles's range is a very complex probleme, since everybody seem to have its own "range standard"... For example, if you take the French Wikipedia about the R550 Magic II, you will see range "500m to 15km", if you take the French Wikipedia about AIM-9 you will see range "1 to 18 km" (which is pretty close to the claimed Magic II range)... BUT, if you take the English Wikipedia about AIM-9, you will read "(1.0 to 35.4 km)", and here you say "Ho wahoo ! 35km, what a short-range missil !"... hem... lets continue... if you take the French Wikipedia about AIM-7, you read "11 to 70km", and if you read the more detailed English Wikipedia about AIM-7 you see: "AIM-7C/D: 32 km - AIM-7E/E2: 45 km - AIM-7F/M: 50 km"... and you say "Ho where is the 70km range version ?!" Do you see what i mean ?...
jojo Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Translation: The maximum speed of the missile is near Mach 5 and its range is about 40km. Combined with Cyrano IV radar, it can reach an hostil target flying at Mach 3 at 60 000 feet with an height difference of more 10 000 feet from the interceptor. The snap up/ down value is not 10 000ft, it's 10 000m :thumbup: Super 530D max launch range is 50km/ 27Nm. Super 530F is not compatible with RDI radar. Export Mirage 2000Ex use Super 530D thanks to option added to RDM radar. => No interest for Super 530F on Mirage 2000. But there is a Mirage F1 coming somewhere else :music_whistling: Missile range depends on 2 things (for LOBL missiles): - kinematic performance. - seeker range. For Fox 2 in head-confrontation you will be limited by seeker and you won't be able to shoot at 35km ! Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
fixen Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 For Fox 2 in head-confrontation you will be limited by seeker and you won't be able to shoot at 35km ! Is there a form of lock-on after launch? Where you are able to launch the missile without it having a solid lock until it is in flight for some time? Acquiring the lock mid flight.
Corsair Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 MICA IR is LOAL capable. Fired first on a datalink, radar (with midcourse update) or intertial course, then acquires the target with its IIR sensor on terminal course. AIM-9X Block II is also LOAL capable, as well as ASRAAM (the latter lacks datalink which kinda negates the LOAL advantages).
fixen Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) MICA IR is LOAL capable. Fired first on a datalink, radar (with midcourse update) or intertial course, then acquires the target with its IIR sensor on terminal course. AIM-9X Block II is also LOAL capable, as well as ASRAAM (the latter lacks datalink which kinda negates the LOAL advantages). I meant the super 530D. The R-27ER is also LOAL compatible. That is because the seeker has no way it can pick up a radar return on max range (lets say >60km for the R-27ER). The first part of a R-27ER's flight is INS and MCCU, the seeker takes over once it has a solid lock. Edited October 18, 2015 by fixen
WildBillKelsoe Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Missiles's range is a very complex probleme, since everybody seem to have its own "range standard"... For example, if you take the French Wikipedia about the R550 Magic II, you will see range "500m to 15km", if you take the French Wikipedia about AIM-9 you will see range "1 to 18 km" (which is pretty close to the claimed Magic II range)... BUT, if you take the English Wikipedia about AIM-9, you will read "(1.0 to 35.4 km)", and here you say "Ho wahoo ! 35km, what a short-range missil !"... hem... lets continue... if you take the French Wikipedia about AIM-7, you read "11 to 70km", and if you read the more detailed English Wikipedia about AIM-7 you see: "AIM-7C/D: 32 km - AIM-7E/E2: 45 km - AIM-7F/M: 50 km"... and you say "Ho where is the 70km range version ?!" Do you see what i mean ?... I just say short of double... Sent from my SM-T231 using Tapatalk AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
jojo Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I meant the super 530D. As far as I know LOBL = 27Nm. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Drona Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 The R-27ER is also LOAL compatible. That is because the seeker has no way it can pick up a radar return on max range (lets say >60km for the R-27ER). The first part of a R-27ER's flight is INS and MCCU, the seeker takes over once it has a solid lock. Do you have a reliable source for that like a manual or something similar?
Voodooflies Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 Hey,I will soon pre- order the Mirage 2000 and I was having a look at its armament on this forum.So from my understanding in terms of air to air weapons it can carry the Magic 2 short range infra-red missile (5 km range) and the R530 short to medium - range semi-active radar guided missile (25 km).Now,compared to Russian or American missiles in game these missiles have a pretty short range.How do you think the Mirage-2000 will compare to the f15 or the su27/mig29 on servers? :pilotfly: You're pretty new here right ?... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
PiedDroit Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Hey,I will soon pre- order the Mirage 2000 and I was having a look at its armament on this forum.So from my understanding in terms of air to air weapons it can carry the Magic 2 short range infra-red missile (5 km range) and the R530 short to medium - range semi-active radar guided missile (25 km).Now,compared to Russian or American missiles in game these missiles have a pretty short range.How do you think the Mirage-2000 will compare to the f15 or the su27/mig29 on servers? :pilotfly: Hello, you can use the search function on the forum to get some insight (advanced search, "mirage vs", for example). Check this one for instance (one example): Mirage 2000C Tactics Edited December 17, 2015 by PiedDroit
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