Any model in particular you may be interested?

[mattebubben]

Im probably in the minority.

 

But i would LOVE to get a F-16A probably Block 15

(either Early model or a later OCU or ADF for those who want 120s etc but still keeping that old style cockpit etc).

 

I just really like 1980s era aircraft / Scenarios.

 

And a F-16A with the old style cockpit would also be different enough to be worth making as it would operate and feel different from a F/A-18 (where as a more modern F-16C or AM/MLU aircraft would more or less operate in the same way as the F/A-18C).

 

And there are still some F-16A OCU / ADFs in service in some nations

(and they served in the US National guard untill around 10 years ago).

 

Id be more hyped for a F-16A then i would a C since as i will be getting the F/A-18C a F-16C would be to similar for me to justify getting both other then on a sale.

 

But a F-16A would be a day one purchase.

a F-16A could possibly also be easier to get permissions for.

[asla36]

Im probably in the minority.

 

But i would LOVE to get a F-16A probably Block 15

(either Early model or a later OCU or ADF for those who want 120s etc but still keeping that old style cockpit etc).

 

I just really like 1980s era aircraft / Scenarios.

 

And a F-16A with the old style cockpit would also be different enough to be worth making as it would operate and feel different from a F/A-18 (where as a more modern F-16C or AM/MLU aircraft would more or less operate in the same way as the F/A-18C).

 

And there are still some F-16A OCU / ADFs in service in some nations

(and they served in the US National guard untill around 10 years ago).

 

Id be more hyped for a F-16A then i would a C since as i will be getting the F/A-18C a F-16C would be to similar for me to justify getting both other then on a sale.

 

But a F-16A would be a day one purchase.

a F-16A could possibly also be easier to get permissions for.

Well that, probable, minority also has me in it.

 

Feel the same way about the F-16A being a better module than the F-16C, since that would just be a carrier incapable, but better in BFM, F/A-18C re-skin. And getting a light fighter from that period would be an awesome treat!

 

And of course, add the bonus of it being old and thus easier to get documentation on! Classified stuff is always a pain for study-sims...

[Pasquale1986]

Im probably in the minority.

 

But i would LOVE to get a F-16A probably Block 15

(either Early model or a later OCU or ADF for those who want 120s etc but still keeping that old style cockpit etc).

 

I just really like 1980s era aircraft / Scenarios.

 

And a F-16A with the old style cockpit would also be different enough to be worth making as it would operate and feel different from a F/A-18 (where as a more modern F-16C or AM/MLU aircraft would more or less operate in the same way as the F/A-18C).

 

And there are still some F-16A OCU / ADFs in service in some nations

(and they served in the US National guard untill around 10 years ago).

 

Id be more hyped for a F-16A then i would a C since as i will be getting the F/A-18C a F-16C would be to similar for me to justify getting both other then on a sale.

 

But a F-16A would be a day one purchase.

a F-16A could possibly also be easier to get permissions for.

 

Yup, F-16A would be an instant purchase for me too. But I thought the F-16 was and is always a community favourite. Would love to see that going up against fully simulated Mig-29A's :pilotfly:

[asla36]

Yup, F-16A would be an instant purchase for me too. But I thought the F-16 was and is always a community favourite. Would love to see that going up against fully simulated Mig-29A's :pilotfly:

That would be a dream!

[Tirak]

DCS: F-16A would be a travesty. The aircraft grew to be so much more than what it originally was, it'd be a sad thing if we didn't get access to the superior capabilities of the new versions. For me its got to be 42 or up, the full on striker that the plane became. Ripping through the canyons in the middle of the night with the FLIR on and the TFR guiding you, before you pop up over the canyon wall, lobbing CBU-87s or Mk.20s at a SAM site before darting back down. There's no greater feeling in the world in the F-16.

[CapableJet7]

AMX should be a good choice...

...and make a pleasure to Italian folks here too:megalol:

AMX is near end of life in Italy, so documentation is not impossible to find for reference.

 

Italian AMX has been involved in all recent theaters:

-Yugoslavia

-Afghanistan

-Lybia

-Kuwait

Moreover they are employed in a lot of international exercise like Red Flag, Spring Flag, Maple Flag, TLP

 

 

+1 i rellay want the Amx :)

[Pasquale1986]

DCS: F-16A would be a travesty. The aircraft grew to be so much more than what it originally was, it'd be a sad thing if we didn't get access to the superior capabilities of the new versions. For me its got to be 42 or up, the full on striker that the plane became. Ripping through the canyons in the middle of the night with the FLIR on and the TFR guiding you, before you pop up over the canyon wall, lobbing CBU-87s or Mk.20s at a SAM site before darting back down. There's no greater feeling in the world in the F-16.

 

I personally would love to see the Block 15, but would be very - instant buy - happy with every other version. But my number one pick would still be the Rafale ;-)

[MemphisBelle]

Does this thread actually makes sense? A poll would have been better I suppose...

 

But as I have the Option now, so I say

 

F-4E Phantom :pilotfly:

(that one hasnt been mentioned enough here in this thread)

[Kev2go]

Well that, probable, minority also has me in it.

 

Feel the same way about the F-16A being a better module than the F-16C, since that would just be a carrier incapable, but better in BFM, F/A-18C re-skin. And getting a light fighter from that period would be an awesome treat!

 

And of course, add the bonus of it being old and thus easier to get documentation on! Classified stuff is always a pain for study-sims...

 

no the F16C is not just a reskinned F/A18C, without carrier capability. By that logic Mirage 2000C is too similar to the F16A in terms of avionics.

 

and Documentation is not an issue for the F-16C ( at least anything below Block 50/52 +). just look at obvious 3 lettered F16 Sim.

 

theres quite alot of falcon fans who would prefer F16C iterations and not the F-16A.

 

DCS: F-16A would be a travesty. The aircraft grew to be so much more than what it originally was, it'd be a sad thing if we didn't get access to the superior capabilities of the new versions. For me its got to be 42 or up, the full on striker that the plane became. Ripping through the canyons in the middle of the night with the FLIR on and the TFR guiding you, before you pop up over the canyon wall, lobbing CBU-87s or Mk.20s at a SAM site before darting back down. There's no greater feeling in the world in the F-16.

 

 

 

I agree preference for me also is F16C block 42 Or higher as well ( block 50/52) It doesnt matter if capabilities are similar to the F/A18C. its still not the same aircraft as some forum goers are quickly are dismissing it as. Besides i think most would agree its better to have Aircraft from comparable eras, for the Proper modern combined arms environment. for example so far we have a 21st centruy A10C, upcoming 21st century iteration of the F/A18C, Razbams Harrier(s), will also be one from circa 2000s, and thus also a comparable era F16C to represent a mulirole Workhorse of the 21st century US air force, as well as many other export users of F16C's in similar configuration.

Edited June 7, 2017 by Kev2go

[Kev2go]

Im probably in the minority.

 

But i would LOVE to get a F-16A probably Block 15

(either Early model or a later OCU or ADF for those who want 120s etc but still keeping that old style cockpit etc).

 

I just really like 1980s era aircraft / Scenarios.

 

And a F-16A with the old style cockpit would also be different enough to be worth making as it would operate and feel different from a F/A-18 (where as a more modern F-16C or AM/MLU aircraft would more or less operate in the same way as the F/A-18C).

 

And there are still some F-16A OCU / ADFs in service in some nations

(and they served in the US National guard untill around 10 years ago).

 

Id be more hyped for a F-16A then i would a C since as i will be getting the F/A-18C a F-16C would be to similar for me to justify getting both other then on a sale.

 

But a F-16A would be a day one purchase.

a F-16A could possibly also be easier to get permissions for.

 

No ones forcing you to own every aircraft. in DCS. i thats how you feel, then Don't buy a viper ( id and/or when it gets developed) . OR Vice versa don't Buy a Hornet. if you strongly favor 1 type over the other.

 

some here aren't into hornets ( for some F18C will be a placeholder american multriole fighter for the F16C until such a release ;) ) but somewould like a F16C specifically , or such as myself appreciate both aircraft, and would buy both at the same time if released with a comparable intervals.. these two aircraft's i wouldn't play favorite over even with similarities in capabilities.

 

F16A however would only be something id only buy on sale. does not have proper multi role capacity and older electronics. Those 2 i can deal with given the time period of introduction. However what is a deal breaker to me about the F16A is lack of Medium range Missiles. Its strickly a Heatseaker platform. No Aim7M Sparrows, which obviously was one of the first features that was corrected when the first F16C blocks rolled out. O nthe other hand the F/A18A, already had the more modern Electronics from the get go, as well as Medium range Aim7s. Although not as potent as a 21st century C hornet, That was a proper multi role strike fighter compared to the F16A, back then Hornet clear cut winner in terms of better electronics.

 

Given that there is not F16 of any type in development yet,. Money should not be a issue here between deciding which one to get. Im sure 1 ( or more) years down ther line youl have some $$ to buy a potential F16 if you buy the Hornet at release anyhow. That or any other future module of your choosing if the Viper doesn't suit you.

Edited June 8, 2017 by Kev2go

[mattebubben]

No ones forcing you to own every aircraft. in DCS. i thats how you feel, then Don't buy a viper. OR Vice versa dont Buy a Hornet. if you strongly favour 1 over the other. Dont let your preferences dicate whats gets put into the game or not.

 

some here arent into horents but would like a F16C specifically , or such as myself appreciate both aircraft, and would buy both at the same time if released at the same time. these two aircrafts i wouldn't play favorite over.

 

F16A however would only be something id buy on sale. doe not have proper multirole capacity and older electronics. Those 2 i can deal with. However what is a deal breaker to me about the F16A is lack of Medium range Missiles. No Aim120 Amramms Or even Older SARH Aim7M Sparrows.

 

First let me start with your last comment.

 

That is not true.

 

I Specifically mentioned F-16A OCU or ADF both of whom have medium range Missile capability (With the ADF having the Aim-7+Aim-120 and OCU having atleast Aim-120 capability not sure if it could also use Aim-7)

 

the F-16A OCU was also able to use the AGM-65 making it a pretty decent multirole aircraft combined with the unguided munitions it could carry before.

 

And now il go to the top of you post.

 

For me its not that i favor the F-18 over the F-16.

 

But its that i dont have a unlimited amount of funds so if i spend money on aircraft i generally want them to do something that what i already have does not do.

 

If a F-16C and F/A-18C came out at the same time its likely i would go for the F-16C because it has some features i prefer

(Single engine for exampe)

but i dont have a significant preference either way.

 

But when the F/A-18C comes out it will be something i simply have to get since its the First Proper Multi-Role aircraft in DCS so it will be different from anything we already have or anything we will have for some while.

 

And while yes the F-16C is a different aircraft they share most of the capabilities and i for one would not be ready to dish out that money for an aircraft that have so similar capabilities etc i would most likely get it at a sale or something further down the line but i dont think i would be able to

justify paying full price for 2 similar modules.

 

Where as a F-16A (and if its a F-16A i think a Block 15OCU or ADF would be the most likely as they are the most capable of the non MLU F-16As)

is different enough for me to justify the day one purchase for myself

 

(As well as the fact that i simply prefer cold war era variants which i why i would also have preferred an earlier F/A-18 either a early C or an A)

 

And did i ever say what should be put into the game or what others should buy or prefer?

 

All i said is i think im in the minority who would prefer a F-16A over a F-16C (or if a F-16C id prefer a 1980s Block so because cold war is simply my preference) something which im pretty sure is correct and obviously you are not a member of that minority but each to his own.

 

Its all about personal taste nobodies opinion is worth more or less then anyone else's.

 

And i have never said i blamed anybody who thought differently from me...

[Kev2go]

First let me start with your last comment.

 

That is not true.

 

I Specifically mentioned F-16A OCU or ADF both of whom have medium range Missile capability (With the ADF having the Aim-7+Aim-120 and OCU having atleast Aim-120 capability not sure if it could also use Aim-7)

 

the F-16A OCU was also able to use the AGM-65 making it a pretty decent multirole aircraft combined with the unguided munitions it could carry before.

 

And now il go to the top of you post.

 

For me its not that i favor the F-18 over the F-16.

 

But its that i dont have a unlimited amount of funds so if i spend money on aircraft i generally want them to do something that what i already have does not do.

 

If a F-16C and F/A-18C came out at the same time its likely i would go for the F-16C because it has some features i prefer

(Single engine for exampe)

but i dont have a significant preference either way.

 

But when the F/A-18C comes out it will be something i simply have to get since its the First Proper Multi-Role aircraft in DCS so it will be different from anything we already have or anything we will have for some while.

 

And while yes the F-16C is a different aircraft they share most of the capabilities and i for one would not be ready to dish out that money for an aircraft that have so similar capabilities etc i would most likely get it at a sale or something further down the line but i dont think i would be able to

justify paying full price for 2 similar modules.

 

Where as a F-16A (and if its a F-16A i think a Block 15OCU or ADF would be the most likely as they are the most capable of the non MLU F-16As)

is different enough for me to justify the day one purchase for myself

 

(As well as the fact that i simply prefer cold war era variants which i why i would also have preferred an earlier F/A-18 either a early C or an A)

 

And did i ever say what should be put into the game or what others should buy or prefer?

 

All i said is i think im in the minority who would prefer a F-16A over a F-16C (or if a F-16C id prefer a 1980s Block so because cold war is simply my preference) something which im pretty sure is correct and obviously you are not a member of that minority but each to his own.

 

Its all about personal taste nobodies opinion is worth more or less then anyone else's.

 

And i have never said i blamed anybody who thought differently from me...

 

ah i see

 

 

sorry F16A OCU. ok yea its got medium range missiles, but whats more appealing about it over a 80s F16C block? given it incorporated some technology from F16C block updates from the 80s, wouldn't it be more practical at that point to just have a developer create an F16C block 25, or even a block 30/32, vs what i essence is F-16A OCU is just retrofitted upgrades to try and make it on par with those?

 

Sure weve all got our prefereces . There wont be a Viper and Horent release at the same time ( or even soon after) so the conundrum of which to buy due to given personal budgets over which wont be there in your case .

Edited June 8, 2017 by Kev2go

[asla36]

First let me start with your last comment.

 

That is not true.

 

I Specifically mentioned F-16A OCU or ADF both of whom have medium range Missile capability (With the ADF having the Aim-7+Aim-120 and OCU having atleast Aim-120 capability not sure if it could also use Aim-7)

 

the F-16A OCU was also able to use the AGM-65 making it a pretty decent multirole aircraft combined with the unguided munitions it could carry before.

 

And now il go to the top of you post.

 

For me its not that i favor the F-18 over the F-16.

 

But its that i dont have a unlimited amount of funds so if i spend money on aircraft i generally want them to do something that what i already have does not do.

 

If a F-16C and F/A-18C came out at the same time its likely i would go for the F-16C because it has some features i prefer

(Single engine for exampe)

but i dont have a significant preference either way.

 

But when the F/A-18C comes out it will be something i simply have to get since its the First Proper Multi-Role aircraft in DCS so it will be different from anything we already have or anything we will have for some while.

 

And while yes the F-16C is a different aircraft they share most of the capabilities and i for one would not be ready to dish out that money for an aircraft that have so similar capabilities etc i would most likely get it at a sale or something further down the line but i dont think i would be able to

justify paying full price for 2 similar modules.

 

Where as a F-16A (and if its a F-16A i think a Block 15OCU or ADF would be the most likely as they are the most capable of the non MLU F-16As)

is different enough for me to justify the day one purchase for myself

 

(As well as the fact that i simply prefer cold war era variants which i why i would also have preferred an earlier F/A-18 either a early C or an A)

 

And did i ever say what should be put into the game or what others should buy or prefer?

 

All i said is i think im in the minority who would prefer a F-16A over a F-16C (or if a F-16C id prefer a 1980s Block so because cold war is simply my preference) something which im pretty sure is correct and obviously you are not a member of that minority but each to his own.

 

Its all about personal taste nobodies opinion is worth more or less then anyone else's.

 

And i have never said i blamed anybody who thought differently from me...

Was about to make my post, but after reading this it would resemble a double post. Couldn't agree more!

[escaner]

So you guys want an F-16A because it is simple, yet you want a retrofitted version with F-16C capabilities? I don't get it...

[cypc]

F-16C would only be a duplicate of the F-18 in terms of avionic and capabilities and would not add any variety in what DCS has to offer, while an F-16A would be a nice plane filling the gap between the F-5 and the F-18, and a direct opponent to the mirage (like the F-5 and Mig-21).

 

I'd prefer a A, would make my M2000 even more interesting to fly.

Edited June 8, 2017 by cypc

[asla36]

And Documentation is not an issue for the F-16C ( at least anything below Block 50/52 +). just look at obvious 3 lettered F16 Sim.

 

That's a big relief, I have always feared that the Viper i was studying in that "certain 3 letter flight sim" was in some way altered because of classification issues, Thanks.

[mattebubben]

F-16A OCU is not a Retrofit.

 

the F-16 Block 15s were delivered from 1982 (first Block 15)

to 1996 (Last Block 15s).

 

All F-16 Block 15s delivered after late 1987 and onward were factory built with upgraded systems (including a F-16C hud) and the ability to use weapons like the AGM-65,Aim-120 as well as the Penguin Mk.3 anti-ship missile as well as being powered by the F100-PW-220.

 

Many of the F-16 Block 15s (and even some block 10s) were also upgraded to Block 15OCU standard but plenty were built that way as factory standard.

 

But they still kept the old style cockpit displays etc with the only major cockpit change to my knowledge was the Wider F-16C style HUD.

 

I dont care a whole lot personally if they made a Pre OCU or Post OCU F-16A but i think a F-16A OCU or ADF would probably make more people happy as they would have Aim-120s and the OCU would also have greater Multirole capabilities.

 

I mean it can carry Agm-65s in Triple launch rails + Aim-120s and those 2 facts alone makes it a pretty capable multi-role aircraft.

 

One more reason i would prefer the F-16A is because to me its more interesting.

 

The F-16C is the Mainstream version that most people think of when they think F-16.

 

Where as the F-16A was the most important version of the F-16 as its what laid the basis for all variants to come but it does not get anyway as much attention as the F-16C.

 

I dont even think ive seen the F-16A in a sim

(other then as a mod for Strike fighters 2)

this would make it more interesting to have in a Sim to me then a F-16C would be since everybody already knows what to expect from it.

 

And one more point.

 

I just love the cockpit of the F-16A xD the Akward mix of analog and digital systems.

its very similar to the Mirage 2000C cockpit in some ways with the radar screen being between the knees and the "Weapon panel" being to the left.

 

Here is a Block 15 OCU cockpit.

 

 

and here is a F-16A cockpit with the earlier Hud.

 

Edited June 8, 2017 by mattebubben

[Tirak]

F-16C would only be a duplicate of the F-18 in terms of avionic and capabilities and would not add any variety in what DCS has to offer, while an F-16A would be a nice plane filling the gap between the F-5 and the F-18, and a direct opponent to the mirage (like the F-5 and Mig-21).

 

I'd prefer a A, would make my M2000 even more interesting to fly.

 

The F-16 and F-18 avionics are quite different, and at the end of the day, the F-16 is superior to the F-18 in all aspects bar carrier landing and ITR. There are pilots like me who couldn't care less about the Hornet, but would jump at a Viper.

[escaner]

F-16A OCU is not a Retrofit.

 

the F-16 Block 15s were delivered from 1982 (first Block 15)

to 1996 (Last Block 15s).

 

All F-16 Block 15s delivered after late 1987 and onward were factory built with upgraded systems (including a F-16C hud) and the ability to use weapons like the AGM-65,Aim-120 as well as the Penguin Mk.3 anti-ship missile as well as being powered by the F100-PW-220.

 

Many of the F-16 Block 15s (and even some block 10s) were also upgraded to Block 15OCU standard but plenty were built that way as factory standard.

 

The F-16A was designed as a low budget dogfighter with a limited radar and no medium range air-to-air capabilities. Only a handful (compared to the total sells) of them were upgraded (ADF) and could even launch the Sparrow. That is how most of them were built and this is my view of the model.

 

OCU gave them provision to carry the AMRAAM, but it is pretty unclear to me that they could actually fire them "as is". I have read everything: that they could launch but w/o mid course updates and that they needed further upgrades (software, etc) to fire them. Anyway, that would be already in the '90s.

[Koty]

Now, since DCS is going WW2...

 

What about this sweet thing?

[Kev2go]

The F-16 and F-18 avionics are quite different, and at the end of the day, the F-16 is superior to the F-18 in all aspects bar carrier landing and ITR. There are pilots like me who couldn't care less about the Hornet, but would jump at a Viper.

 

Not in all areas. Thea clear area where the the F16C is better than F/A18C in aircraft performance. The Viper is more maneuverable of the two and having a better P/W ratio ( superior Climb rate , acceleration, and top speed) . Agreed Love that about the viper. no argument there. in that aspect F16 > F18

 

however..... in avionics ( minus the F16C's post MId life update having colour LCD displays) i say other than that the F/A18C is a bit more sophisticated over the viper due to having internal ECM pod ( F16 needs to carry via external store to use an external ECM jammer always, or none at all) , Hornet has a more advanced Digital Keypad for data input, and posessing a 3rd dedicated Display for moving map GPS Navigation, meaning there is less switching around the MFD's in combat when you have that Extra display. I also to pilot accounts that have flown both, many say the Hornet has Superior Cockpit Ergonomics to the Viper. Its better laid out and more comfortable to fly long missions than the Viper. ( not that this matters in a virtual environment however)

 

Not that this is something that I or others would consider a Deal breaker, But having a extra 3rd display certainly would nice to have on a Viper. ( Something the UAE F16 Block 60 has, )

 

Its even better SA experience in the Super Bug when you have 4 displays total to work with. that Digital Keypad ( or UFCPD) On its own can also be used as a 4th display for various pages that are normally displayed thorough left or right MFD's.

 

Anyways I am digressing here a bit with these other platforms.

Edited June 9, 2017 by Kev2go

[Kev2go]

Now, since DCS is going WW2...

 

What about this sweet thing?

 

P63 is a pretty meh aircraft. Rejected by the USAF ( they didnt like the P39 much either, and only accepted some of those because of the critical situtation of replacing losses during the early - mid wardays of the Pacifc war)

 

P63 saw life as a Export fighter to the USSR. Ultitmaly it was one of those aircraft relagted more to Attack than A2A.

 

Personally would rather see a Yak 3 and a Il2 from Russian ww2 before a P63. Now those are true ww2 Icons of RUssian aviation, and domestic designs too.

 

 

Besides Atm its obvious the focus of ww2 is on the western front, better to flesh out axis and western allies for Normandy 1944, before jumping to eastern front.

[Koty]

Actually, cobras saw only little service as fighterbombers, more focused on combat air patrols, both defensive and offensive - and being very successful. (Especially over Kuban.)

 

Not to mention the USAAF's disappointment came from the inability of using the plane to its strengths rather than the plane being meh. But fair enough, that is hard to judge - as different campaigns in the war were fought differently, especially when it comes to USSR/USA comparison.

 

But hey, I am biassed, P-63 is love. Love with capital Vodka. ))

 

 

And as for domestic fighters...

Rather than Yak-3, I'd preffer Yak-9U and it's more modern, lighter, all-metal little brother Yak-9P - for both WW2 and Korea (at least in 9U's case, P is for Korea only...). You have to think outside the box, young padawan... )))

[Tirak]

Actually, cobras saw only little service as fighterbombers, more focused on combat air patrols, both defensive and offensive - and being very successful. (Especially over Kuban.)

 

Not to mention the USAAF's disappointment came from the inability of using the plane to its strengths rather than the plane being meh. But fair enough, that is hard to judge - as different campaigns in the war were fought differently, especially when it comes to USSR/USA comparison.

 

But hey, I am biassed, P-63 is love. Love with capital Vodka. ))

 

 

And as for domestic fighters...

Rather than Yak-3, I'd preffer Yak-9U and it's more modern, lighter, all-metal little brother Yak-9P - for both WW2 and Korea (at least in 9U's case, P is for Korea only...). You have to think outside the box, young padawan... )))

 

The P-63 is one of the few WWII planes that I would be willing to buy. It's such an interesting aircraft and I love the sleek lines.

[asla36]

Tovarish! Yak-9K, Russian Bias for the win))))))))))))))))))))))))))

 

Well, actually that thing wasn't that common nor practical. So my bets for Eastern front aircraft are Yak-1, Pe-2, LaGG-3, Il-2 (for earlier stuff), and Yak-3, La-5/7, (for later war scenarios). But first let them flesh out the Western front, since that's the order they have decided to do things in.

Edited June 9, 2017 by asla36
Get the aircraft names right...