DCS: AJS-37 Viggen Discussion

[Vitormouraa]

Nice.

[Darkbrotherhood7]

We're inching closer guys! :D

 

Maybe 2 weeks?:D

 

Ok now seriously, I really think that we are very, very close to see the Viggen(September release, maybe?).

[RaXha]

Maybe 2 weeks?:D

 

Ok now seriously, I really think that we are very, very close to see the Viggen(September release, maybe?).

 

Possibly, I'm sure at this point though that they have no idea themselves and they will just drop it on us the day it happens to be ready, and thats fine with me. :pilotfly:

[BravoYankee4]

Just went up on their facebook page:

 

https://www.facebook.com/leathernecksim/photos/a.1590858094470196.1073741828.1586481878241151/1754250394797631/?type=3&theater

 

I can't see that content. It says it isnt availbable or that I have to be a member of a group or something... Anyone got a snapshot?

[RaXha]

I can't see that content. It says it isnt availbable or that I have to be a member of a group or something... Anyone got a snapshot?

 

 

 

I don't, but it was a photo of a line of Viggens that Cobra accidentally posted, it's since been removed. :-)

[El Hadji]

It was this picture that accidently ended up as a Facebook cover pic:

 

 

Photo was taken by Mr Lars E Lundin at Såtenäs AFB (F7) in August 1975.

 

The AJ37's were lined up before the visitors came to celebrate Flygvapnets huvudflygdag ("The Airforce Day") at F7 on August 31th. It was also F7's 35th anniversary.

 

Here is another picture from the same occasion, taken by Mr Åke Hall:

 

 

And a third one, also taken by Mr Lundin:

 

 

That was possibly also the first time that the general public got to see the the brand new JA37. The plane in the picture is the prototype aircraft no 37-5.

 

Edited July 24, 2016 by El Hadji

[El Hadji]

For those skilled in Swedish here is an issue of Flygvapennytt from 1974 telling the history of F7 Såtenäs, the first base to get the Viggen. There are also some really nice photos - a lot showing Viggens.

 

[ame]http://www.aef.se/Flygvapnet/Tidskrifter/FV_Nytt/Flygvapennytt_1974-4.pdf[/ame]

[Kilrah]

For those skilled in Swedish here is an issue of Flygvapennytt from 1974 telling the history of F7 Såtenäs, the first base to get the Viggen. There are also some really nice photos - a lot showing Viggens.

 

Nice, interesting read about the F-16

[BravoYankee4]

The F7 planes in the picture, did they ever get a repaint (camo) or did they stay like this during their service? I believed all AJ had the camo paint from delivery...

[Xenovia]

so we're getting the JA-37D? the version that can fire the AMRAAM, and Aim-9? and also has MFD screens?

[mattebubben]

The F7 planes in the picture, did they ever get a repaint (camo) or did they stay like this during their service? I believed all AJ had the camo paint from delivery...

The Camoflage paintscheme started appearing in small numbers around 1974 and started becoming the standard for the AJ 37 in the mid-70 and in the late 70s most of the AJs were using the Camo scheme.

 

And the AJ 37s delivered after 74 usually came with the Camo scheme as standard.

 

If you look at the photo you can see some of the AJ 37s have the Camo while most do not.

 

Dont know the exact date where the Last AJ 37s were painted with the camo but have not been able to find any photos depicting a AJ 37 in the 80s that is still unpainted so my guess would be that it became universal sometime around 78-79.

[mattebubben]

so we're getting the JA-37D? the version that can fire the AMRAAM, and Aim-9? and also has MFD screens?

 

We are getting the AJS-37 attack variant.

 

the JA-37D fighter variant will be a AI only addition (to give the AJS 37s come company / Escort for the Campaign missions etc)

Since it would not be a huge problem to remake the Visual Model from the AJ 37 standard to a JA 37 suitable to AI.

 

the AJS 37 is a strike variant and will have a number of different weapons at its disposal.

 

Including Antiship missiles(Both the RB04C and RB15F),Unguided bombs and rockets,Gunpods, Guided missiles in the form of the RB 05 (Air-Ground missile guided by the use of a small joystick in the cockpit)

and the AGM 65 Mavericks as well as being able to carry Aim-9s for self defence.

Edited July 25, 2016 by mattebubben

[Xenovia]

Ahh, okay got it.

[microvax]

We are getting the AJS-37 attack variant.

 

the JA-37D fighter variant will be a AI only addition (to give the AJS 37s come company / Escort for the Campaign missions etc)

Since it would not be a huge problem to remake the Visual Model from the AJ 37 standard to a JA 37 suitable to AI.

 

the AJS 37 is a strike variant and will have a number of different weapons at its disposal.

 

Including Antiship missiles(Both the RB04C and RB15F),Unguided bombs and rockets,Gunpods, Guided missiles in the form of the RB 05 (Air-Ground missile guided by the use of a small joystick in the cockpit)

and the AGM 65 Mavericks as well as being able to carry Aim-9s for self defence.

 

And thors Hammer ! Mighty BK90/DWS39 doomsday machine.

[El Hadji]

The Camoflage paintscheme started appearing in small numbers around 1974 and started becoming the standard for the AJ 37 in the mid-70 and in the late 70s most of the AJs were using the Camo scheme.

 

And the AJ 37s delivered after 74 usually came with the Camo scheme as standard.

 

If you look at the photo you can see some of the AJ 37s have the Camo while most do not.

 

Dont know the exact date where the Last AJ 37s were painted with the camo but have not been able to find any photos depicting a AJ 37 in the 80s that is still unpainted so my guess would be that it became universal sometime around 78-79.

 

Some info I have about the "pile of leaves" camouflage that might interest some here:

 

The pattern is often referred to as the "Viggen camouflage" in Sweden but it should be referred to as the "Bulldog camouflage" instead since the SK61 Bulldog was the first aircraft to get this paint scheme in 1972. The use of the four color, splinter camouflage began in the late 1960's and the more official name of the pattern is "FOA-kamouflage". FOA (Försvarets forskingsanstalt) was the Swedish Defense Research Agency which today is called FOI.

 

Ground vehicles where the first to get the new paint. The pattern should consist of:

 

30% black (093M)

30% dark green (326M)

34% light green (322M)

6% brown (507M)

 

From 1978 and ownard all new vehicles were delivered coated in the dark green and the rest of the colors where added afterwards.

 

Below is the "Anvisningar mönstermålning" (Instructions for pattern painting):

 

[ame]http://www.klabbe.eu/manualer/Anvisningarformonstermalning.pdf[/ame]

 

 

As already mentioned, the SK61 Bulldog was the first aircraft to receive the pattern. Aircraft no 61061 was the very first.

 

 

A few J35 Drakens were painted for test purposes. Aircraft #35220 was the first flyable. A Draken without a working engine had been the very first.

 

 

The first Draken (EDIT: thanx to Mattebubben for noticing my typo) to be painted in the new splinter camo was prototype 35-7 in the summer of 1972. This aircraft was destroyed later the same year in some sort of ordnance/explosive testing carried out by FOA.

 

In November 1973 the head of the Swedish airforce wrote:

 

"CFV hemställer att FMV-F utför provmålning av ett flygplan AJ37 samt utreder kostnader och tidsförhållanden för målning av samtliga fpl 37, J35, SK50, SK60 och SK61"

 

What he basically said was that he ordered that a AJ37 should be test painted in the new camo scheme and that research about costs and time frames for painting all 37's, the J35's, SK50's, SK60's and SK61's should be carried out.

 

In 1976 it was decided that all SK60's should get the paint scheme. 60131 was the first aircraft to be painted in 1977.

 

I haven't been successful in finding dates and plane numbers for when bare metal 37's were painted in camo. To make matters worse in this "research", some camo painted planes were repainted grey in the mid 1980's while some got to keep the camo pattern. This was supposedly done to "confuse the enemy" about what variants operated where and so on. I have no official statements to back this up though.

Edited July 26, 2016 by El Hadji

[mattebubben]

Well only the JA 37s had the grey paint (and only some of them)

 

Once the AJ 37s got their Camo paint they kept it.

 

the JA 37s got the Grey 2 shade camo as their main air superiority paintscheme but it was decided to have a number of the JA 37s painted like the AJ 37s in the green camo in order to make it so any enemy was unable to easily ID if they were facing a JA or a AJ 37.

 

Since while if they saw a Grey JA 37 they knew it was a fighter they could not tell as easily if they saw a green viggen.

 

Since it was almost as likely to be a JA 37 as it was to be a AJ or SH 37.

 

This also made it harder for the enemy to determine what numbers there was of each type.

 

And also a note on your comment im not sure if you mixed up info or something.

 

The first Viggen to be painted in the new splinter camo was prototype 35-7 in the summer of 1972. This aircraft was destroyed later the same year in some sort of ordnance/explosive testing carried out by FOA.

 

I assume you ment the First Draken to the painted in the splinter camo and not the first Viggen.

 

And while the Bulldog was the first Swedish aircraft to use the paintscheme and it later became standard for most vehicles the Viggen was the most Iconic aircraft / Vehicle to use it.

Edited July 26, 2016 by mattebubben

[El Hadji]

And also a note on your comment im not sure if you mixed up info or something.

 

 

 

I assume you ment the First Draken to the painted in the splinter camo and not the first Viggen.

 

And while the Bulldog was the first Swedish aircraft to use the paintscheme and it later became standard for most vehicles the Viggen was the most Iconic aircraft / Vehicle to use it.

 

Of course. Typo! :doh: I meant Draken. It was a J35 F prototype.

[MBot]

A few J35 Drakens were painted for test purposes. Aircraft #35220 was the first flyable. A Draken without a working engine had been the very first.

 

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc63/Aigore/J35B%20Draken/DSCF0004-3_zpsada9b4d1.jpg

 

That Draken looks fantastic in that paintscheme.

[boopidoo]

Well only the JA 37s had the grey paint (and only some of them)

 

Once the AJ 37s got their Camo paint they kept it.

 

the JA 37s got the Grey 2 shade camo as their main air superiority paintscheme but it was decided to have a number of the JA 37s painted like the AJ 37s in the green camo in order to make it so any enemy was unable to easily ID if they were facing a JA or a AJ 37.

 

Since while if they saw a Grey JA 37 they knew it was a fighter they could not tell as easily if they saw a green viggen.

Both AJSF37 and AJSH37 were painted grey, but probably not all of them, maybe only the ones from F21? Pictures attached shows an AJSH37 and AJSF37.

 

BTW, maybe AJSH37 would be a nice add-on to complement the AJS37? Not too many differences between the aircrafts and the SH/AJSH also had the possibility to carry the photo-pod which I don't think even was carried by AJ/AJS. Or why not go all out and make the AJSF? They won't have to worry about simulating the radar. Plus flying low is fun, would be cool to go in super low, take photos and fly back (even lower). :)

 

I will never forget the some Akktu Stakki-moments where I experienced the SF37 doing photo-recon. One was when I was driving to Östersund from Luleå and I was just about cross a bridge. Suddenly I see a SF37 climbing up from nowhere, flies over the bridge and then just disappears! I stop the car and look but I can't see it anywhere. I also remember flying gliders and seeing them flying below, almost on their own shadow! Akttu Stakki is the first division at F21 which was all about flying low and doing recon. The other two divisions were fighters but IMO the really cool guys belonged to Akktu Stakki. :)

Edited July 26, 2016 by boopidoo

[mattebubben]

Both AJSF37 and AJSH37 were painted grey, but probably not all of them, maybe only the ones from F21? This is the AJSH37 on display outside Biltema in Luleå.

 

BTW, maybe AJSH37 would be a nice add-on to complement the AJS37? Not too many differences between the aircrafts and the SH/AJSH also had the possibility to carry the photo-pod which I don't think even was carried by AJ/AJS. Or why not go all out and make the AJSF? They won't have to worry about simulating the radar. Plus flying low is fun, would be cool to go in super low, take photos and fly back (even lower). :)

 

I will never forget the some Akttu Stakki-moments where I experienced the SF37 doing photo-recon. Driving in my car towards a small bridge. Suddenly I see a SF37 climbing up from nowhere, flies over the bridge and then just disappears! I stop the car and look but I can't see it anywhere. I also remember flying gliders and seeing them flying below, almost on their own shadow! Akttu Stakki is the first division at F21 which was an all about flying low and doing recon. The other divisions were fighters but IMO the really cool guys belonged to Akttu Stakki. :)

 

the F-21s AJSFs were Painted in a Modern Grey scheme in the late 90s (similar to the JA 37 and Jas 39) when they got earmarked for being included in the unit of aircraft that could be sent to International missions supporting the UN etc (SWEFRAP) so they the got grey camo to match.

 

I were unaware any of F-21s AJSHs had been painted grey as i dont think they were included in that group.

And i think F-21s Last AJSH 37s were Green.

 

And all other SF 37s were painted Green (only the 4 AJSF 37s from F-21 picked for SWEFRAP in the 90s got painted grey)

 

And as far as i knew all SH 37s were painted with the Green camo during their active service (its possible they were repainted when leaving service or after having left active service but i dont know of any that operated with anything but the Green camo other then some of the earliest that might have been unpainted for a short period of time before they got the Camo)

[boopidoo]

Yes, that's probably correct. The first division had the task of preparing to deploy SWAFRAP AJS 37 but after some research I can slap just find references to AJSF 37 as part of this. Maybe they also painted one of the divisions AJSH37 or it was painted after service.

[OziRekt]

What kinds of submunitions can the BK90 carry?

[El Hadji]

What kinds of submunitions can the BK90 carry?

 

MJ1: 4kg/9lb air-bursting explosive against soft targets

MJ2: 18kg/40lb proximity fuzed anti-armour warhead

 

The BK90 can carry either MJ1, MJ2 or a mix of them.

[microvax]

MJ1: 4kg/9lb air-bursting explosive against soft targets

MJ2: 18kg/40lb proximity fuzed anti-armour warhead

 

The BK90 can carry either MJ1, MJ2 or a mix of them.

 

MJ2 seems to be comparable to the blu108 skeets.

 

"Pansarvärnssubstridsdelarna will for ejection to deposit two wings which causes it to fall to the ground in a helical path. It begins search of the target area to find armored vehicles or equivalent. With multiple sensors, including a laser that provides a 3D imaging, evaluating all the possible targets to eliminate everything that is not a proper goal. When it found a target and decided to attack the target will wait until the rotated one more turn. Once again directed straight towards the goal detonate it, which sends a single impact body toward the target. Impact The body turns through the roof of the armored vehicle and hit it with a high verkanssannolikhet."

 

Google translate from the swedish BK90 page, but accurate enough to say it seems to be same design as the skeets, even if it is a much higer weight. Skeets are 1.5kg iirc.

[OziRekt]

Awesome