foxmaner Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 I think The mig 21 have a arcade mode. So maybe the viggen will have it to? Skickat från min SM-A310F via Tapatalk [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
microvax Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 As a swede I'm surprised he actually has lines at all, the English version just sounds like jiberish with random words thrown in. :P Yee only noticed that due to swedish chef research done for viggen thread. xD Thats why I did the translation at all. :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
QuiGon Posted July 5, 2016 Posted July 5, 2016 It's not so much dumbing down as reducing what many find a bit tedious. ;) That's both the same, just different words. It will reduce realism unnecessarily and realism is what DCS stands for and many here (including me) want to have. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
boopidoo Posted July 5, 2016 Posted July 5, 2016 That's both the same, just different words. It will reduce realism unnecessarily and realism is what DCS stands for and many here (including me) want to have. Uneccessary for you but not for us that wants it. For many DCS is both complex and less complex models. Same simulator with varying complexity which I think is one of its greatest strengths. :) Despite what you might think I believe the majority actually flies the less complex models. ;) It's just the start-up I find tedious and time consuming when I rather go fly. A quick-start-procedure-button would go a long way I guess.
QuiGon Posted July 5, 2016 Posted July 5, 2016 An auto-start-button like there is in other modules would be the best solution I guess. It can be used by the more casual oriented players to avoid going through the tedious start-up procedure, but without reducing realism, since it still happens, just automatically. It would also not be unfair in multiplayer, which would be the case with an unrealistic "quick-start-up". Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
mattebubben Posted July 5, 2016 Posted July 5, 2016 Uneccessary for you but not for us that wants it. For many DCS is both complex and less complex models. Same simulator with varying complexity which I think is one of its greatest strengths. :) Despite what you might think I believe the majority actually flies the less complex models. ;) It's just the start-up I find tedious and time consuming when I rather go fly. A quick-start-procedure-button would go a long way I guess. But the Auto Start button is already standard on most Modules. (Mig-21,Mirage 2000 Ka,50 etc) Im pretty sure most of the advanced modules have a Auto Start Option. So i can almost promise you the Viggen will also have that option.
QuiGon Posted July 5, 2016 Posted July 5, 2016 But the Auto Start button is already standard on most Modules. (Mig-21,Mirage 2000 Ka,50 etc) Im pretty sure most of the advanced modules have a Auto Start Option. So i can almost promise you the Viggen will also have that option. True that. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Cobra847 Posted July 5, 2016 Posted July 5, 2016 While it's a complex aircraft and will require many many hours to master, you can also get going quite quickly. Especially if you decide to stick to unguided rockets, guns, AGM-65, that sort of thing. The ground radar, navigation, central computer, etc- those are the sorts of things which are difficult. :) Standard options for autostart, easy engine, etc will be available. (Though in the latter case, the RM-8 is actually fairly docile) Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
Vitormouraa Posted July 5, 2016 Posted July 5, 2016 How do we use the AGM-65? Is it the same of the A-10? I mean, how you employ the MAVs.. SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com
mattebubben Posted July 5, 2016 Posted July 5, 2016 How do we use the AGM-65? Is it the same of the A-10? I mean, how you employ the MAVs.. There is no targeting pod etc but there is a small display to the right of the hud where the seeker picture is displayed. So like the A-10A you would use the Mk1 eyeball together with the missile seeker to find a target. That is the cockpit of the Attack Viggen and as stated the Round Display to the right of the HUD is the Display for the Maverick. 1
boopidoo Posted July 5, 2016 Posted July 5, 2016 While it's a complex aircraft and will require many many hours to master, you can also get going quite quickly. Especially if you decide to stick to unguided rockets, guns, AGM-65, that sort of thing. The ground radar, navigation, central computer, etc- those are the sorts of things which are difficult. :) Standard options for autostart, easy engine, etc will be available. (Though in the latter case, the RM-8 is actually fairly docile) Nice, that's exactly what I wanted to know! :D
Jaktaz Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 There is no targeting pod etc but there is a small display to the right of the hud where the seeker picture is displayed. So like the A-10A you would use the Mk1 eyeball together with the missile seeker to find a target. That is the cockpit of the Attack Viggen and as stated the Round Display to the right of the HUD is the Display for the Maverick. I originally thought that display was an rwr before someone corrected me.
mattebubben Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 Yea the Placement / Size etc can make it appear like a RWR. (especially for western eyes) But the RWR display of the Viggen (as you might already know) is integrated around the Radar Display. There are 6 Oblong lights set around the edge of the display (just outside the radar display but within the "compass") Those lights together with Audio warnings make up the RWR system.
ShadoWw Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 So since this was a subject and still is a interesting subject, I'm going to sum up the start up checklist for the Viggen taken directly from a original SSI FPL 37, (Special startnings instruktion/Special startup instruction.) This is one of newest examples, published in -97 some pages as late as 2000. So it is up to date with even the AJSF/H DISCLAIMER.. There is alot of shit in this one FYI :lol: The book: This is a detailed version for those keen to read that.. (bet most will haha) The pilots actions and checks before engine start. 1. Make sure chairs ejection handle is in safe position. 2. Parking brakes ON. 3. Close and lock the canopy 4. Make sure the landing gear lever is in the DOWN position 5. make sure that the throttle friction brake is not in AFK (automatic speed control) mode. 6. Make sure the throttle position is in OFF position (closed HT-kran/ High pressure fuel valve) 7. Make sure that the lever for cabin ventilation floor, left side is OPEN. 8. Make sure switch Ventilation is in AUT (automatic) corresponding ON 9. Make sure that the generator is in ON position. 10. Make sure ignition system is in AUT (Automatic) position (Tändsystem AUT) 11. Make sure switch LT-Kran is in OFF postion (Low pressure fuel valve) 12. Make sure that the "stage selector" (skedesväljare) is in BER Mode (Beredskap/Standby) 13. (For AJS/AJSH) make sure that the Radar mode changer [Modomkopplare) on the radars stick control is in position A0 the most forward position.. Picture: 14. Make sure the reverse handle is pushed IN. 15. Make sure the rotary switch for BRAGG Cabin suit ventilation is in position 0 16. Make sure the switch Sparkplug is in ON position. 17. ( All versions except SK and JA) Make sure the function control switch (FK) is in Other EL.NIK. And rotary switch in pos 0. 18. Make sure lever for front window hot air is CLOSED. 19. Make sure circuit breakers for SA, SI/CI, Engine etc is in up position TILL/ ON 20. Make sure Anti-ice Engine is OFF. 21. Make sure Switch TIPP VÄXEL is in AUT (Automatic). 22. Make sure switch for Backup power is in OFF position. 23. Make sure switch LT-kran EBK (Light pressure fuel valve afterburner) is in OPEN position 24. Make sure switch for fuel tank pump is in NORM (Normal) position. 25. Make sure switch Fuel control (BRÄNSLEREGL) is in AUT (Automatic) position. (for SK37 in backseat aswell) 26. Make sure switch RHM is in ON position. 27. Put HUVUDSTRÖM (Battery) ON 28. Push the control lights button, check so all lights work. 29. Make sure Master caution light are flashing (Huvudvarning). 30. Reset Master caution warning lights (kvittera bort). 31. Make sure the correct lights on MFD is lit/off. Picture of what should and should not be on (Tänd = lit up. Släck = Off Höger = right. Vänster = left. Top is left bottom is right on the picture.. pic: 32. Make sure indicator light for LT-kran is ON. 33. Check fuel level. 34. Check so instruments: EPR, NH and TT7 shows normal values. 35. Switch Anti-collision lights ON. 36. Put LT-Kran in ON pos, and check that indicator light LT-Kran turns off and that BRÄ UPPF lights up. 37. Put throttle position in idle position (HT-Kran TILL/ High pressure fuel valve ON) Start of engine, Pilots checks and measures. 1. With cold engine and Outer temperatures lower than +5 BRÄNSLEREGL to MAN ( Fuel control to Manual) 2. Hold Start button to Start position for 2 seconds. 3. Check so that STARTSYST on Right MFD lights up within 5 sec. Obs, Startup sequence should be aborted if STARTSYST ( Start system) does not light up within 5 sec from initiated startup. 4. Make sure MAN BR REG on right MFD goes dark before 11% rpm (Manual Fuel control) (This does not apply if the engine is started in Automatic fuel control) if so skip to 5. 5. Check so TÄNDSYST (ignition system) on right MFD lights up between 11-18% rpm. OBS, Startup sequence shall be aborted if TÄNDSYST lights up before 11% or after 18% rpm OBS2, Startup sequence shall be aborted if the RPM indicator is not giving any readings for more than 10 sec or if the rpm increase stop more than 10 sec under the startup sequence. OBS3, Startup sequence shall be aborted if the engine does not light up within 25 sec. 6. Check so the exhaust temp is giving reading within 25 sec after initiated startup. 7. (Only applies if started in BRÄNSLEREGL MAN) Put Imediately Switch BRÄNSKEREGL to AUT (Automatic) When Exhaust temp shows 100C. Check so that MAN BR REG on right MFD goes dark. 8. Abort if exhaust temp increases 400C or is above 375C for more than 15 sec. 9. Check so that STARTSYST (Start system) and TÄNDSYST (ignition system) Goes dark betweend 47-50% rpm, normal startup time to 50% 50 sec. OBS, Start sequence shall be aborted if STARTSYST and TÄNDSYST does not go dark at 56% rpm. 10. Make sure OLJETRYCK (Oil pressure) goes dark within 60 sec, if it continues to be lit after 60 sec, abort startup. 11. Check so Idle RPM has stabilized between 55% and 58%, shut of engine if Idle rpm increases more then 58% After start quick checks before run up.. 1. Check so that Ground idle rpm is stable, and exhaust temp of =350C< 2. check pressure difference indicators value is around 1 3. check so no red or orange lights is lit up on left or right mfd So that's the whole checklist from you get into the cockpit until engine is running more or less except for some small annotations etc. If there's interest i'll add the run up, and a few other bits. I tried making it all in english except for a few things here and there. I can also put out a complete swedish version if there is interest for that.. I also got the full detailed description of the AJS part 1-4, not sure if that is available on the internet? You tell me :smilewink:
renhanxue Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 So since this was a subject and still is a interesting subject, I'm going to sum up the start up checklist for the Viggen taken directly from a original SSI FPL 37, (Special startnings instruktion/Special startup instruction.) This is one of newest examples, published in -97 some pages as late as 2000. So it is up to date with even the AJSF/H Great post, thanks! We have the open description part 1 chapter 1 as well as the formerly secret parts 2 and 3 for the AJ 37 (the orginal edition from the early-mid 70's). The rest of the parts I haven't gotten around to photographing. It'd be great if you could, though!
ShadoWw Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 Great post, thanks! We have the open description part 1 chapter 1 as well as the formerly secret parts 2 and 3 for the AJ 37 (the orginal edition from the early-mid 70's). The rest of the parts I haven't gotten around to photographing. It'd be great if you could, though! Are you thinking of the SFI? Or the actual description? "Beskrivning FPL 37 something something" ? That's what i got, the rest of the SFI is on the internet. you can send me pm if you like, im swedish fyi.
RaXha Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 Are you thinking of the SFI? Or the actual description? "Beskrivning FPL 37 something something" ? That's what i got, the rest of the SFI is on the internet. Beskrivning would pretty much be the maintenance manual right?
ShadoWw Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) Beskrivning would pretty much be the maintenance manual right? Not the manual in itself, Just description of all the aircrafts components. The tech guys had their own manual called if im not mistaken UFS Edited July 6, 2016 by ShadoWw
ShadoWw Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 I guess i could've added it in the original post.. Buut everyone knows that new posts are more fun right? :huh:... Here is the swedish version of SSI, photographed directly from the book. If anyone is interested in the corresponding one for the JA just pm me and we can sort that out. I wont put it here, too lazy :P doesn't concern the AJS anyway :) here on and out, im throwing english out the window fyi.. :P allt är i den ordning som boken utger det, så oroa er inte!.. Innehållsförteckningen: Tillhörande bild till punkt 2.3.13 i bilden över Tillhörande punkt 2.3.32 i bilden över Motor start: Om något saknas, skrik lite så fixar jag det :thumbup:
microvax Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 So since this was a subject and still is a interesting subject, I'm going to sum up the start up checklist for the Viggen taken directly from a original SSI FPL 37, (Special startnings instruktion/Special startup instruction.) This is one of newest examples, published in -97 some pages as late as 2000. So it is up to date with even the AJSF/H DISCLAIMER.. There is alot of shit in this one FYI :lol: The book: This is a detailed version for those keen to read that.. (bet most will haha) The pilots actions and checks before engine start. 1. Make sure chairs ejection handle is in safe position. 2. Parking brakes ON. 3. Close and lock the canopy 4. Make sure the landing gear lever is in the DOWN position 5. make sure that the throttle friction brake is not in AFK (automatic speed control) mode. 6. Make sure the throttle position is in OFF position (closed HT-kran/ High pressure fuel valve) 7. Make sure that the lever for cabin ventilation floor, left side is OPEN. 8. Make sure switch Ventilation is in AUT (automatic) corresponding ON 9. Make sure that the generator is in ON position. 10. Make sure ignition system is in AUT (Automatic) position (Tändsystem AUT) 11. Make sure switch LT-Kran is in OFF postion (Low pressure fuel valve) 12. Make sure that the "stage selector" (skedesväljare) is in BER Mode (Beredskap/Standby) 13. (For AJS/AJSH) make sure that the Radar mode changer [Modomkopplare) on the radars stick control is in position A0 the most forward position.. Picture: 14. Make sure the reverse handle is pushed IN. 15. Make sure the rotary switch for BRAGG Cabin suit ventilation is in position 0 16. Make sure the switch Sparkplug is in ON position. 17. ( All versions except SK and JA) Make sure the function control switch (FK) is in Other EL.NIK. And rotary switch in pos 0. 18. Make sure lever for front window hot air is CLOSED. 19. Make sure circuit breakers for SA, SI/CI, Engine etc is in up position TILL/ ON 20. Make sure Anti-ice Engine is OFF. 21. Make sure Switch TIPP VÄXEL is in AUT (Automatic). 22. Make sure switch for Backup power is in OFF position. 23. Make sure switch LT-kran EBK (Light pressure fuel valve afterburner) is in OPEN position 24. Make sure switch for fuel tank pump is in NORM (Normal) position. 25. Make sure switch Fuel control (BRÄNSLEREGL) is in AUT (Automatic) position. (for SK37 in backseat aswell) 26. Make sure switch RHM is in ON position. 27. Put HUVUDSTRÖM (Battery) ON 28. Push the control lights button, check so all lights work. 29. Make sure Master caution light are flashing (Huvudvarning). 30. Reset Master caution warning lights (kvittera bort). 31. Make sure the correct lights on MFD is lit/off. Picture of what should and should not be on (Tänd = lit up. Släck = Off Höger = right. Vänster = left. Top is left bottom is right on the picture.. pic: 32. Make sure indicator light for LT-kran is ON. 33. Check fuel level. 34. Check so instruments: EPR, NH and TT7 shows normal values. 35. Switch Anti-collision lights ON. 36. Put LT-Kran in ON pos, and check that indicator light LT-Kran turns off and that BRÄ UPPF lights up. 37. Put throttle position in idle position (HT-Kran TILL/ High pressure fuel valve ON) Start of engine, Pilots checks and measures. 1. With cold engine and Outer temperatures lower than +5 BRÄNSLEREGL to MAN ( Fuel control to Manual) 2. Hold Start button to Start position for 2 seconds. 3. Check so that STARTSYST on Right MFD lights up within 5 sec. Obs, Startup sequence should be aborted if STARTSYST ( Start system) does not light up within 5 sec from initiated startup. 4. Make sure MAN BR REG on right MFD goes dark before 11% rpm (Manual Fuel control) (This does not apply if the engine is started in Automatic fuel control) if so skip to 5. 5. Check so TÄNDSYST (ignition system) on right MFD lights up between 11-18% rpm. OBS, Startup sequence shall be aborted if TÄNDSYST lights up before 11% or after 18% rpm OBS2, Startup sequence shall be aborted if the RPM indicator is not giving any readings for more than 10 sec or if the rpm increase stop more than 10 sec under the startup sequence. OBS3, Startup sequence shall be aborted if the engine does not light up within 25 sec. 6. Check so the exhaust temp is giving reading within 25 sec after initiated startup. 7. (Only applies if started in BRÄNSLEREGL MAN) Put Imediately Switch BRÄNSKEREGL to AUT (Automatic) When Exhaust temp shows 100C. Check so that MAN BR REG on right MFD goes dark. 8. Abort if exhaust temp increases 400C or is above 375C for more than 15 sec. 9. Check so that STARTSYST (Start system) and TÄNDSYST (ignition system) Goes dark betweend 47-50% rpm, normal startup time to 50% 50 sec. OBS, Start sequence shall be aborted if STARTSYST and TÄNDSYST does not go dark at 56% rpm. 10. Make sure OLJETRYCK (Oil pressure) goes dark within 60 sec, if it continues to be lit after 60 sec, abort startup. 11. Check so Idle RPM has stabilized between 55% and 58%, shut of engine if Idle rpm increases more then 58% After start quick checks before run up.. 1. Check so that Ground idle rpm is stable, and exhaust temp of =350C< 2. check pressure difference indicators value is around 1 3. check so no red or orange lights is lit up on left or right mfd So that's the whole checklist from you get into the cockpit until engine is running more or less except for some small annotations etc. If there's interest i'll add the run up, and a few other bits. I tried making it all in english except for a few things here and there. I can also put out a complete swedish version if there is interest for that.. I also got the full detailed description of the AJS part 1-4, not sure if that is available on the internet? You tell me :smilewink: Many, many thanks for that translation and Info. If you have the time any info on Nav and BK90 targeting would be absolutely awesome ! :)) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
grunf Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 Will there be an English cockpit, or will I have to (in addition to Russian and French) learn some Swedish too? :D
ShadoWw Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 Will there be an English cockpit, or will I have to (in addition to Russian and French) learn some Swedish too? :D I hope you do :megalol:
grunf Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 I hope you do :megalol: lol... well, I wouldn't mind. :D
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