When to use toe brakes?

[bunraku]

Hi

 

Just changed to the warthog hotas and got pedals too.

The pedals are new to me as with my old Saitek I just used wheel brake.

I'm not sure if the old wheel brake was the same as applying both toe brakes together or if it means something different. Perhaps someone can clarify.

 

Any how my main question is when to use them? Just for taking off and landing or purely braking or for steering too?

[Yurgon]

In the A-10C, you don't need them for steering, because the nose wheel can be actively steered (unlike the MiG-21, among others).

 

I mostly use them to slow down after landing, when I taxi too fast, and before take-off.

 

Edit: Using the wheel brake key is like fully applying both wheel/toe brakes at the same time.

[Blackeye]

IIRC the key ramps up the both breaks over a short time (~1sec) so you can kind of select the average breaking power by repeatedly tapping/holding the key for a short (or longer) time and then releasing.

 

So the equivalent of holding the key would probably be to "slowly" (~1sec) apply both toe breaks to full and keep them there.

Of course having proper breaking axes opens up more options when it comes to breaking than a simple key.

Edited December 29, 2015 by Blackeye

[bunraku]

Thanks guys

[Kimi_uy]

They are also used for parking and taxiing out of small taxiways and ramps. For example, u can turn right in the spot by holding the right toe brake, disabling the nosewheel steering and using only the left throttle, so u can rotate in place. I've seen this being done in a bunch of youtube footages of A10's doing ground procedures.

 

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[P3CFE]

They are also used for parking and taxiing out of small taxiways and ramps. For example, u can turn right in the spot by holding the right toe brake, disabling the nosewheel steering and using only the left throttle, so u can rotate in place. I've seen this being done in a bunch of youtube footages of A10's doing ground procedures.

 

Just a Note here:

 

IRL it is never advised to turn over a wheel with locked brake and/or a wheel that is standing stil.

This will grind the tire and possibly overstress the Gear shockstrut mechanism because of the tordation force .

The wheel should always be rolling during a turn.

 

If you have to make tight turns, avoid braking, and if you must use brakes, only use the brake on the outside of the turn, not the inner.

 

Just something you have to give attention to during taxi in almost every Aircraft.

 

Greetz,

[Kimi_uy]

Yeah i heard its not adviced. Nonetheless ive seen it being done in a10s. And plus, sim-wise DCS doesn't care XD

Thanks for the clarification.

Edited December 29, 2015 by Kimi_uy

[Xavven]

Just a Note here:

 

IRL it is never advised to turn over a wheel with locked brake and/or a wheel that is standing stil.

This will grind the tire and possibly overstress the Gear shockstrut mechanism because of the tordation force .

The wheel should always be rolling during a turn.

 

If you have to make tight turns, avoid braking, and if you must use brakes, only use the brake on the outside of the turn, not the inner.

 

Just something you have to give attention to during taxi in almost every Aircraft.

 

Greetz,

 

 

Hahah, this is something I'm so bad at -- taking care of the aircraft. I overstress stuff all day. If this were a real plane, the ground crews would be pissed at me. But it's just a sim, so I take some liberties here and there :P

[AMEDooley]

Just a Note here:

 

IRL it is never advised to turn over a wheel with locked brake and/or a wheel that is standing stil.

This will grind the tire and possibly overstress the Gear shockstrut mechanism because of the tordation force .

The wheel should always be rolling during a turn.

 

If you have to make tight turns, avoid braking, and if you must use brakes, only use the brake on the outside of the turn, not the inner.

 

Just something you have to give attention to during taxi in almost every Aircraft.

 

Greetz,

 

It actually depends on the aircraft and situation. For example, the F/A-18 will use wheel breaks and pivot on a tire on the flight deck due to the small amount of space if the yellow shirt tells him to. Granted it's not really done on the beach, or a lot on the boat, but still done with enough frequency that I wouldn't say it's not adviised. However, on an A-10, or any Air Force jet for that matter, I haven't seen any pilot do it yet. But the gear on carrier based planes vs land locked planes are much different.

[bunraku]

I landed today and applied both toe breaks and even with these pressed down and speedbrakes the plane kept going at about 50kts. Eventually I pressed W on my keyboard and that stopped me dead. Why are the toe brakes not doing the same?

 

I thought simpler joysticks just had a combined single wheel brake using the W key command and the toe brakes were just replacing the single with separate wheel brakes, but still having the same effect of braking the aircraft.

 

So what am I missing?

 

Thanks again

[luckyhendrix]

It does that same, and the speed indicator will never show under 50kts, maybe that is why you felt like you didn't decelerate

 

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[Blackeye]

I landed today and applied both toe breaks and even with these pressed down and speedbrakes the plane kept going at about 50kts. Eventually I pressed W on my keyboard and that stopped me dead. Why are the toe brakes not doing the same?

So what am I missing?

 

 

Are you sure you've mapped them correctly?

You could activate the axis display (rcrtl+enter) and check if they actually work.

[Kimi_uy]

The problem i had the first timei got pedals was that the axis' of the brakes weren't set as "sliders" so make sure u check that checkbox in the axis' properties.

 

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