Crunchy Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 What speed should you be doing when you touch down on the runway? Also, what approach speed should you be doing? Thanks!
ttaylor0024 Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 You want to fly the 14* AOA bracket until touchdown. AOA basically adjusts your approach speed for your weight.
cmbaviator Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 Well you perform your approach based on AoA which will directly set up the correct speed: You want to land with an AoA if 14-15 deg and on final approach at 11-12 deg So just put your flight path indicator on runway and adjust your thrust to be within 10-11 deg on final and flare at 50 fts AGL and maintains an AOA of 14-15 deg until your kiss the runway :) Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk
cmbaviator Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 You want to fly the 14* AOA bracket until touchdown. AOA basically adjusts your approach speed for your weight. So you don't flare ? I understood that 14 deg AOA should be reached on touch down so better be around 10-11 deg on final to flare on final for a kiss landing Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk
jojo Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 Keep 14° AoA. Flare at 30ft AGL = pull gently 3° more degree maximum during the flare. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Gladman Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 approach at 210, slow to 170 after flare for touchdown, works like a charm. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord
rrohde Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 You want to fly the 14* AOA bracket until touchdown. AOA basically adjusts your approach speed for your weight. +1 PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com
TomCatMucDe Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 i have posted a track of an ok landing, though as said jojo i should flare a bit lower than i did. it can be improved. you can change the view from external to cockpit to see how i tried to place the FPM between the brackets http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2629921&postcount=5
ttaylor0024 Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 So you don't flare ? I understood that 14 deg AOA should be reached on touch down so better be around 10-11 deg on final to flare on final for a kiss landing Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk If you were in the Navy, no.... But as mentioned, you can pull back more to flare.
cmbaviator Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 If you were in the Navy, no.... But as mentioned, you can pull back more to flare. Yeah but that would set a 17-18 AoA at TD, close to a tail strike Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk
ineth Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 I used to watch the M2000 approach and land at Tanagra AFB in Greece. They never flared. Though they kept the nose up for some time to keep breaking before touching down the nose wheel. I can still remember the dry engine sound. What a beautiful plane. Greek/German origin. Flying sims since 1984. Using computers since 1977. Favored FS's:F/A18 Interceptor, F19 Stealth Fighter, Gunnship, F16 Combat Pilot, Flight of the Intruder, A320, Falcon 4.0, MSFS 2004-X, DCS
ttaylor0024 Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 Yeah but that would set a 17-18 AoA at TD, close to a tail strike Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk A slight AOA increase in ground effect will cause float, which is the flare. You don't need 4* more AOA to do this, Just slight
Azrayen Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 14° AOA -3° standart Glide = 11° / ground Tailstrike limit is ~14/15° / ground. You have "space" to flare.
Crunchy Posted January 5, 2016 Author Posted January 5, 2016 I'm going to try landing tomorrow because it's getting a little late here. I think I'm going to end up as a heap on the runway though on my first attempt. I'm really dreading landing and keeping the nose up because I'm guessing you can't see infront of you while the nose is up, is this correct?
Deezle Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Don't worry about it, the 2000C is quite easy to land, nothing like the Fishbed. Intel 9600K@4.7GHz, Asus Z390, 64GB DDR4, EVGA RTX 3070, Custom Water Cooling, 970 EVO 1TB NVMe 34" UltraWide 3440x1440 Curved Monitor, 21" Touch Screen MFD monitor, TIR5 My Pit Build, Moza AB9 FFB w/WH Grip, TMWH Throttle, MFG Crosswinds W/Combat Pedals/Damper, Custom A-10C panels, Custom Helo Collective, SimShaker with Transducer
grunf Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 I'm going to try landing tomorrow because it's getting a little late here. I think I'm going to end up as a heap on the runway though on my first attempt. I'm really dreading landing and keeping the nose up because I'm guessing you can't see infront of you while the nose is up, is this correct? You can raise the seat up so you have great visibility. Good luck on yours 1st landing! :thumbup:
Crunchy Posted January 5, 2016 Author Posted January 5, 2016 You can raise the seat up so you have great visibility. Good luck on yours 1st landing! :thumbup: Thanks for reminding me about the seat this will come in handy. This leads me to another question though. When I go into my setting for Mirage 2000, it won't allow me to assign the seat up & down setting to a switch on one of my devices. I don't really want to mess about reaching for the keyboard to raise the seat when I'm landing, but it will only allow me to use the keyboard keys because the other devices are not selectable. Is this the same for everyone else with the seat setting or are you able to set it to another device? I'm wondering if it's my setting that are bugged.
TomCatMucDe Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 You should activate the approach mode before starting the approach. This will put the heading tape in the middle of the Hud. Then you can adjust the seat. In principle you have enough time to reach the keyboard. It's pretty relaxed actually.
Pikey Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 They way I saw the videos of Mirages returning ffrom Red Flag they all did it the same way, at 20ft they flare level for one second then they float down the last 20. I didn't see air brakes so it looked throttle controlled. You can do this in the sim and it works, either by idling at 20ft or brakes, just mind the seat switch up at least twice to see the flight path director as it drops away during that manouvre. ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING *
PiedDroit Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 14° AOA -3° standart Glide = 11° / ground Tailstrike limit is ~14/15° / ground. You have "space" to flare. Don't forget that at some point during the flare your velocity vector should be almost parrallel to the runway, so, better not overdo it :D
emg Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Thanks for reminding me about the seat this will come in handy. This leads me to another question though. When I go into my setting for Mirage 2000, it won't allow me to assign the seat up & down setting to a switch on one of my devices. I don't really want to mess about reaching for the keyboard to raise the seat when I'm landing, but it will only allow me to use the keyboard keys because the other devices are not selectable. Is this the same for everyone else with the seat setting or are you able to set it to another device? I'm wondering if it's my setting that are bugged. For immersion's sake it's nice to raise the seat, maintain correct AoA etc. But the reality is that if you can crash land a DCS propeller aircraft or MiG-21 without killing the pilot, you can safely land the M2000 in your sleep, even on grass. I think this thread is a case of information overload.
PiedDroit Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) [...] I don't really want to mess about reaching for the keyboard to raise the seat when I'm landing, [...] Just raise it during the initial stages of your approach, when you have plenty of time. For immersion's sake it's nice to raise the seat, maintain correct AoA etc. But the reality is that if you can crash land a DCS propeller aircraft or MiG-21 without killing the pilot, you can safely land the M2000 in your sleep, even on grass. I think this thread is a case of information overload. Don't read it then, there are some people who can absorb that information, and take pride in doing clean, controlled, as per manual landings. It's much more satisfying for those people (I'm in) than doing okay-ish landings that are good only because you didn't kill the pilot and/or didn't ruined the runway. At some point in your virtual pilot life your might become bored of messed up landings and try to control things, then this kind of thread will become useful. Edited January 5, 2016 by PiedDroit
emg Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) Don't read it then, there are some people who can absorb that information, and take pride in doing clean, controlled, as per manual landings. It's much more satisfying for those people (I'm in) than doing okay-ish landings that are good only because you didn't kill the pilot and/or didn't ruined the runway. At some point in your virtual pilot life your might become bored of messed up landings and try to control things, then this kind of thread will become useful. Do you really think that landing a DCS M2000 without raising the seat and not strictly observing correct AoA = bad landing? This module is as easy to to land as an SFM plane, and yes I mean clean and controlled landings. Btw I do clean formation landings (by the manual) with friends in the MiG-21 so I really don't need your insults. I assume this is not his first DCS module, and anyone who can land a MiG-21 or TF-51 by the manual procedure can cleanly and safely land the M2000. In fact the error of margin is huge, which is why I said "anyone who can crash land a MiG-21 w/o killing pilot can safely land a M2000." Read the post carefully before you try to insult people. The thread starter said he's dreading to land the DCS Mirage, and I think he should just try it in-game, instead of trying to remember keybinds and proper AoA. That's what I meant by information overload. Edited January 5, 2016 by emg
PiedDroit Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Do you really think that landing a DCS M2000 without raising the seat and not observing correct AoA = crashed aircraft? You should spend some time practice combat landings instead of insulting people on this forum. The thread starter said he's worrying about landing the DCS Mirage, and I think he should just try it in-game, instead of trying to remember keybinds and proper AoA. I assume this is not his first DCS module, and anyone who can land a MiG-21 or TF-51 by the manual procedure (which I do without ruining the runway, thanks for your concern) can land the M2000 easily. Sorry if you felt insulted, that was not the intent. Apologies. Also, I already practiced a ton of landings already with the Mirage, what do suggest me to practice in particular, maybe you have some good advice to share? No I don't think "not observing correct AoA = crashed aircraft", that is not what I wrote. As some people have pointed that before, the best way to get the correct speed is to use the AoA indicator.
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