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Did you try in 2.0?

 

Yes all the tests were in 2.0.

 

Are you guys trying to pull through the "elastic stop" system? or just pulling the stick back?

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2599460&postcount=121

 

No, we're not testing the instantanous turn rate which is the only place where this could be an influence. Also I start all my turns by gradually putting on the G's and then seeing how many I can hold whilst maintaining a specific speed & altitude.

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I'm pretty sure Hummingbird did his testing in 2.0, as he says he has "re-tested" the turn rate and it is "still" wrong.

 

 

 

Hmm, this seems way off, not only of the Fighter symposium chart, but of the BMS one as well, which says about 5.8 G with a heavier aircraft.

 

Obviously the FM is still very much WIP. I cannot test myself because I do not have 2.0, so I could only test the older 1.5 behaviour.

 

I also noticed that the Mirage vs F-16 comparison you gave (hadn't seen them anywhere, thank you!) give a rather lower turn rate than the Fighter symposium chart in what seems to be roughly the same conditions (11°/s sustained vs 12.5°/s) ; internal fuel is not given though.

 

Once again, I am not assuming anything on the trustworthiness of various sources, I am trying to look at every available source before making an opinion, since we do not have official Dassault or Armée de l'Air sanctionned charts (or from any country that operates the Mirage 2000C).

 

I still think it is easier for everybody if we strive to tests the charts in the same conditions they show (loadout, fuel, altitude, atmospheric conditions, etc...).

 

The last two comparison charts I posted lists the turn rate at specific speeds, Mach 0.7 & Mach 0.9 and are for fully fueled aircraft, at least both the M2000, F-16 & F-18 figures all fall within that area.

Posted
Yes all the tests were in 2.0.

 

I don't understand, you tested at SL in 2.0? how is that possible? Do you have a track?

 

 

 

 

The turn rate of the Mirage at SL remains an abysmal low 7 G's sustained @ Mach 0.9 at 55% fuel completely clean.

 

Infact in many cases I was unable to sustain over 6.6 G's at Mach 0.9 at SL.

 

This is far short of the 9+ G's the real aircraft will easily sustain at sea level in a 2x Magic loaded configuration.

To whom it may concern,

I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that.

Thank you for you patience.

 

 

Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..

Posted
Hey guys, just so you know I'm aware, as soon as I get back from work travel I'll be working this issue along with general performance. Now that dynamics seem to be more in line, tuning performance is fairly straight-forward.

 

In any event I definitely concur that in some regimes STR isn't up to snuff. So all in all I'm on it and should have something for you all in the next update :)

 

Awesome stuff Smiley! :thumbup:

 

I wish you a nice and comfortable trip home :)

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

Haven't flown the Mirage in a while as I've been out of town, but since I'll be back home tomorrow I was just wondering wether this issue has been touched in any of the last patches? :)

Posted
Hey guys, just so you know I'm aware, as soon as I get back from work travel I'll be working this issue along with general performance. Now that dynamics seem to be more in line, tuning performance is fairly straight-forward.

 

In any event I definitely concur that in some regimes STR isn't up to snuff. So all in all I'm on it and should have something for you all in the next update :)

 

:thumbup:

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Posted (edited)

Turn rate re-tested

 

Alright, has there been any ETA on the next patches? :)

 

 

There hasn't been anything at all. Captain was in a business trip he said.

Edited by TomCatMucDe
  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

Alright just tested the turn rate again in 2.0 since the last update, and holy mother of jebus this thing has become like a ballistic missile! :shocking: :surprise:

 

The thing litterally doesn't stop accelerating, even when pulling 9.2 G's at 800 km/h! :fear:

 

It's great that you improved its turn rate, but I think you might have overdone it a little :D

Posted
Alright just tested the turn rate again in 2.0 since the last update, and holy mother of jebus this thing has become like a ballistic missile! :shocking: :surprise:

 

The thing litterally doesn't stop accelerating, even when pulling 9.2 G's at 800 km/h! :fear:

 

It's great that you improved its turn rate, but I think you might have overdone it a little :D

 

At 15,000ft or at SL? Since at SL, modern fighters STR tend to be G limited at SL.

Posted
Alright just tested the turn rate again in 2.0 since the last update, and holy mother of jebus this thing has become like a ballistic missile! :shocking: :surprise:

 

The thing litterally doesn't stop accelerating, even when pulling 9.2 G's at 800 km/h! :fear:

 

It's great that you improved its turn rate, but I think you might have overdone it a little :D

 

Not good. I would far rather have underperforming STR than unrealistic acceleration performance in a turn.... everything I have read about the M-2000 says it bleeds speed more than the average comparable fighter in the turns.

Posted (edited)

False alarm! - sort of

 

Did a more thurough test this time without any G-loc enabled, and the Mirage actually matches the chart values at Mach 0.9 beautifully - earlier I must have been confused by the premature G-loc the Mirage pilot seems to be suffering from, G-loc sometimes occuring already around 7.5 G's.

 

One peculiarity however is a reluctance to lose speed at max pitch around 550 km/h. Perhaps this is due to the AoA limiter, I can't quite tell, but the amount of G's pulled is fairly high. Will have to test more.

 

 

As a side note the sensitivity in pitch and roll is also very low, so low I have been forced to use a reversed S curve. This needs some looking into IMHO.

Edited by Hummingbird
  • 1 year later...
Posted
I am unable to recreate that at all...clean with 50% fuel, max STR at M0.9 is ~8.5G. Can you send a track/video to show what it looks like on your end?

 

EDIT: Actually more like 8.8G clean, 8.5 was with 2 Magic II on board.

 

Will do, was in 1.5 beta btw, does that have a say?

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